Tides: an RE/FE Experiment.

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narcberry

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Tides: an RE/FE Experiment.
« on: July 20, 2007, 03:24:43 PM »
The ships on the water rise and lower with the tides. The tides are always happening. But why/how?

Now consider this experiment.
1) Take a cup (earth)
2) Fill it halfway with water
3) Take a second cup (moon)
4) Fill it 1/8 full of water

RE test:
A scale model of the earth and moon. The amount of "gravity" exerted on each other should be proportional to the "gravity" the earth and the moon actually exert on each other.
1) Sit the "earth" on a counter
2) Slide the "moon" in a circular pattern around the "earth"
3) Notice the lack of "tides" on the "earth"

FE test:
1) Hold the "earth" at ground level
2) Accelerate the "earth" upwards at 9.8 m/s^2
3) Notice the generation of tides on the "earth"

See? Even a 5 year old can tell the world is flat.

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nicolin

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Re: Tides: an RE/FE Experiment.
« Reply #1 on: July 20, 2007, 03:27:05 PM »
The tides are always happening. But why/how?
The Moon does cause wonderous things to happen.
Sometimes, more wonderous things than Mr.G.
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Re: Tides: an RE/FE Experiment.
« Reply #2 on: July 20, 2007, 03:28:17 PM »
Rudy Giuliani?
Where did you educate the biology, in toulet?

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Ferdinand Magellen

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Re: Tides: an RE/FE Experiment.
« Reply #3 on: July 20, 2007, 03:29:26 PM »
First of all, Are you doing it in an environ with no gravity already effecting it? No.

Second, did you calculate the formula positioning them at the same distance? No

third, you neglect the sun's effect on tides.

fourth, is the cup a sphere? no.

fifth, would the distance the water moves be measurable to the mere eye? Of course not. The tides move a few feet. Shrink it down to that size and provide the following criterion, and we're talking a few nanometers AT MOST.
Ignoring the truth does not make it go away, it just makes you ignorant and disempowered.

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narcberry

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Re: Tides: an RE/FE Experiment.
« Reply #4 on: July 20, 2007, 03:30:49 PM »
First of all, Are you doing it in an environ with no gravity already effecting it? No.

Second, did you calculate the formula positioning them at the same distance? No

third, you neglect the sun's effect on tides.

fourth, is the cup a sphere? no.

fifth, would the distance the water moves be measurable to the mere eye? Of course not. The tides move a few feet. Shrink it down to that size and provide the following criterion, and we're talking a few nanometers AT MOST.

I guess simple experiments will be lost on someone.

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nicolin

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Re: Tides: an RE/FE Experiment.
« Reply #5 on: July 20, 2007, 03:32:39 PM »
I guess simple experiments will be lost on someone.
Ermm, if I pray to Mr.G to bestow upon us "world peace" will he be willing to comply?
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Re: Tides: an RE/FE Experiment.
« Reply #6 on: July 20, 2007, 03:33:00 PM »
First of all, Are you doing it in an environ with no gravity already effecting it? No.

Second, did you calculate the formula positioning them at the same distance? No

third, you neglect the sun's effect on tides.

fourth, is the cup a sphere? no.

fifth, would the distance the water moves be measurable to the mere eye? Of course not. The tides move a few feet. Shrink it down to that size and provide the following criterion, and we're talking a few nanometers AT MOST.

Are you a tard?  narc posts humourous things, don't take him seriously.  It should be obvious what he says is BS.

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Ferdinand Magellen

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Re: Tides: an RE/FE Experiment.
« Reply #7 on: July 20, 2007, 03:34:01 PM »
I'm afraid you give him too much credit.
Ignoring the truth does not make it go away, it just makes you ignorant and disempowered.

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nicolin

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Re: Tides: an RE/FE Experiment.
« Reply #8 on: July 20, 2007, 03:35:10 PM »
I don't. Some(one) else may, however.  ;)
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Ferdinand Magellen

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Re: Tides: an RE/FE Experiment.
« Reply #9 on: July 20, 2007, 03:41:55 PM »
Anyway, once you fulfill the criteria, mr. narcberry then your experiment will yield the proper results.
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Re: Tides: an RE/FE Experiment.
« Reply #10 on: July 20, 2007, 03:43:01 PM »
REers.  Always trying to be "accurate".  ::)
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narcberry

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Re: Tides: an RE/FE Experiment.
« Reply #11 on: July 20, 2007, 03:43:30 PM »
Anyway, once you fulfill the criteria, mr. narcberry then your experiment will yield the proper results.

You are too late, I have already conducted the experiment. The results are in, and the world is flat.

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Ferdinand Magellen

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« Reply #12 on: July 20, 2007, 03:53:19 PM »
Your experiment is flawed, i have shown why. You isolated no variables. Without isolated variables, you have distorted results. Your percent error is like 5000000000 billion percent.
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nicolin

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Re: Tides: an RE/FE Experiment.
« Reply #13 on: July 20, 2007, 03:54:26 PM »
You are too late, I have already conducted the experiment. The results are in, and the world is flat.
Indubitubilaly. ;D
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narcberry

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Re: Tides: an RE/FE Experiment.
« Reply #14 on: July 20, 2007, 03:56:47 PM »
Your percent error is like 5000000000 billion percent.

RE "science" at its finest.

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Ferdinand Magellen

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Re: Tides: an RE/FE Experiment.
« Reply #15 on: July 20, 2007, 03:58:55 PM »
says the man who said "i put a rubber bouncy ball on a globe and it rolled off. Why doesn't it do that if the earth is round?"
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Jimmy Crackhorn

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Re: Tides: an RE/FE Experiment.
« Reply #16 on: July 20, 2007, 04:16:40 PM »
I really don't think narcberry is for real. I think he's just another troll trying to make FE'ers look bad.

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Re: Tides: an RE/FE Experiment.
« Reply #17 on: July 20, 2007, 05:43:52 PM »
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says the man who said "i put a rubber bouncy ball on a globe and it rolled off. Why doesn't it do that if the earth is round?"

That would be a valid experiment. With an accelerating universe, how could something stick to the side or underside of the earth globe?

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Re: Tides: an RE/FE Experiment.
« Reply #18 on: July 20, 2007, 05:44:56 PM »
lol.  Good one, Tom.  :D
Where did you educate the biology, in toulet?

Re: Tides: an RE/FE Experiment.
« Reply #19 on: July 20, 2007, 06:01:26 PM »
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says the man who said "i put a rubber bouncy ball on a globe and it rolled off. Why doesn't it do that if the earth is round?"

That would be a valid experiment. With an accelerating universe, how could something stick to the side or underside of the earth globe?
Just consult another entry: Wikipedia Earth's gravity, denoted by g, refers to the attractive force that the Earth exerts on objects on or near its surface (or, more generally, objects anywhere in the Earth's vicinity).

Re: Tides: an RE/FE Experiment.
« Reply #20 on: July 20, 2007, 06:24:18 PM »
You are too late, I have already conducted the experiment. The results are in, and the world is flat.

Great.  Except that (assuming everything scales down properly, which it doesn't) the expected tidal flexing in the above system would be on the order of five nanometers.*

And this is all assuming you were somehow able to cancel out all the local interfering effects, like the mass of the observer, the surface tension of the water or the oscillations in the water.  Any one of which is enough to completely drown out the tidal effects.

When you can measure those kinds of distances and create those kinds of lab conditions in your kitchen, let me know.


*This also makes some very generous assumptions.  20 cm wide glass, water as dense as rock, unnaturally high tides, etc.
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sokarul

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Re: Tides: an RE/FE Experiment.
« Reply #21 on: July 21, 2007, 08:49:43 AM »
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says the man who said "i put a rubber bouncy ball on a globe and it rolled off. Why doesn't it do that if the earth is round?"

That would be a valid experiment. With an accelerating universe, how could something stick to the side or underside of the earth globe?
Gravitation you fucking retard.

FE test:
1) Hold the "earth" at ground level
2) Accelerate the "earth" upwards at 9.8 m/s^2
3) Notice the generation of tides on the "earth"

See? Even a 5 year old can tell the world is flat.
Wow you don't even know what tides are.  Accelerating a cup of water upwards does not make tides. 
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The Communist

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Re: Tides: an RE/FE Experiment.
« Reply #22 on: July 21, 2007, 09:51:28 AM »
Narc, the gravitation between the two substances is weak compared to the water's attraction to the cup (water tension, van der waal forces, and centripetal forces.  That is why you cannot observe t ides at such a scale.  For the FE experiment, the cup did not produce two high tides that are well observant on earth.
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Re: Tides: an RE/FE Experiment.
« Reply #23 on: July 22, 2007, 01:32:53 PM »
Narc, the gravitation between the two substances is weak compared to the water's attraction to the cup (water tension, van der waal forces, and centripetal forces.  That is why you cannot observe t ides at such a scale.  For the FE experiment, the cup did not produce two high tides that are well observant on earth.

Except I did observe tides at that scale... but only for FE, which is interesting.

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sokarul

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Re: Tides: an RE/FE Experiment.
« Reply #24 on: July 22, 2007, 01:36:33 PM »
Narc, the gravitation between the two substances is weak compared to the water's attraction to the cup (water tension, van der waal forces, and centripetal forces.  That is why you cannot observe t ides at such a scale.  For the FE experiment, the cup did not produce two high tides that are well observant on earth.

Except I did observe tides at that scale... but only for FE, which is interesting.
Accelerating a cup of water upwards does not create tides.  If done right the water would not even move left or right.     
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narcberry

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Re: Tides: an RE/FE Experiment.
« Reply #25 on: July 22, 2007, 01:37:22 PM »
Narc, the gravitation between the two substances is weak compared to the water's attraction to the cup (water tension, van der waal forces, and centripetal forces.  That is why you cannot observe t ides at such a scale.  For the FE experiment, the cup did not produce two high tides that are well observant on earth.

Except I did observe tides at that scale... but only for FE, which is interesting.
Accelerating a cup of water upwards does not create tides.  If done right the water would not even move left or right.     

I did my experiment as prescribed, and there were tides in the FE earth, and not in the RE earth.

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sokarul

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Re: Tides: an RE/FE Experiment.
« Reply #26 on: July 22, 2007, 01:45:13 PM »
Narc, the gravitation between the two substances is weak compared to the water's attraction to the cup (water tension, van der waal forces, and centripetal forces.  That is why you cannot observe t ides at such a scale.  For the FE experiment, the cup did not produce two high tides that are well observant on earth.

Except I did observe tides at that scale... but only for FE, which is interesting.
Accelerating a cup of water upwards does not create tides.  If done right the water would not even move left or right.     

I did my experiment as prescribed, and there were tides in the FE earth, and not in the RE earth.

nope
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Re: Tides: an RE/FE Experiment.
« Reply #27 on: July 22, 2007, 03:48:20 PM »
Narcberry is borderline retarded.   We should all commend her just for being able to type (unless, of course, her mommy is typing for her).
Where did you educate the biology, in toulet?

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Re: Tides: an RE/FE Experiment.
« Reply #28 on: July 22, 2007, 04:50:27 PM »
Where the hell do you learn the kind of scienctific thinking that justifies that bullshit experiment? Not gonna go into the reasoning, has aldready been done. But jeez...

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Re: Tides: an RE/FE Experiment.
« Reply #29 on: July 22, 2007, 04:51:12 PM »
The ships on the water rise and lower with the tides. The tides are always happening. But why/how?

Now consider this experiment.
1) Take a cup (earth)
2) Fill it halfway with water
3) Take a second cup (moon)
4) Fill it 1/8 full of water

RE test:
A scale model of the earth and moon. The amount of "gravity" exerted on each other should be proportional to the "gravity" the earth and the moon actually exert on each other.
1) Sit the "earth" on a counter
2) Slide the "moon" in a circular pattern around the "earth"
3) Notice the lack of "tides" on the "earth"

FE test:
1) Hold the "earth" at ground level
2) Accelerate the "earth" upwards at 9.8 m/s^2
3) Notice the generation of tides on the "earth"

See? Even a 5 year old can tell the world is flat.
WTF?