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The RE sun, bombs, and you!

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narcberry

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The RE sun, bombs, and you!
« on: July 18, 2007, 08:42:37 AM »
Ever been to a barbeque? Someone starts the charcoal using too much lighter fluid and giant flames erupt. After the flames are going, more fuel will make the flames bigger, brighter, and hotter.

Ever play with black powder? The more you use, the bigger the bang. This is always the case.

Nuclear weapons are the same way. The bigger the core, the bigger the explosion. However, you can make a bomb so big that it wont explode. That's right. You give it soo much fuel that it would rather burn slowly, over billions of years.

Cue the sun. The fantastic giant bomb that never explodes. It's magical properties allow it to maintain unimagineably high pressure, heat, and fuel supply (3 things that bombs love) without ever exploding. Just slowly burn, you magical monster you!
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Carbiens

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Re: The RE sun, bombs, and you!
« Reply #1 on: July 18, 2007, 08:47:51 AM »
Soo....

God doesn't abide by the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty?
« Last Edit: July 18, 2007, 08:49:26 AM by Karbiens »
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Ferdinand Magellen

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Re: The RE sun, bombs, and you!
« Reply #2 on: July 18, 2007, 08:51:09 AM »
The sun operates on fusion. That means two hydrogen nuclei, will be thrust into eachother due to the extraordinary temperatures. The result is the formation of a helium nuclei, and the release of massive energy. Its an ongoing reaction, which is why it doesn't make a big boom. Also, the gravity of the sun contains the fusion process:

Gravitational:
One force capable of confining the fuel well enough to satisfy the Lawson criterion is gravity. The mass needed, however, is so great that gravitational confinement is only found in stars (the smallest of which are brown dwarfs). Even if the more reactive fuel deuterium were used, a mass greater than that of the planet Jupiter would be needed


Conventionally, we cannot create controllable fusion reactions at this point in human technological capability. The heat and resultant pressure of a thermonuclear explosion does cause fusion (fission-fusion-fission bombs), but the reaction is unsustainable. Theoretically, fusion can be achieved using deuterium isotope and the tritium isotope to create a controlled reaction; however, we have not achieved the technology or ability to do so and provide useable energy

Lets just say if I had a fusion barbecue, i'd likely destroy the whole neighborhood by accident, and the hamburgers would be nonexistant.


the wikipedia article on fusion likely says it better than I do, as I'm just a layman:
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_fusion

edit was for adding a source and clarification of various points
« Last Edit: July 18, 2007, 08:56:58 AM by Ferdinand Magellen »
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narcberry

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Re: The RE sun, bombs, and you!
« Reply #3 on: July 18, 2007, 08:55:40 AM »
Correct, it is unstable and would lead to an explosion. How does the sun stay controlled and stable? Because it has a lot more unstable reactions going on?
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Ferdinand Magellen

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« Reply #4 on: July 18, 2007, 08:59:53 AM »
I edited to clarify several points as well as add a quote. The answer is the sheer mass of the sun acts as a gravitational containment field for the reaction, limiting the amount consumed at any given time.

Your logic is flawed in the beginning, BTW. Adding wood to a fire doesn't make the fire suddenly explode all at once. You need to compare something using the SAME fuel, not different fuels. Regardless, its fairly clear that fusion works quite nicely. Your suntan proves it.
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narcberry

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Re: The RE sun, bombs, and you!
« Reply #5 on: July 18, 2007, 09:04:26 AM »
Our little rockets can clear gravity, but nuclear explosions lack the energy?
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Ulrichomega

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Re: The RE sun, bombs, and you!
« Reply #6 on: July 18, 2007, 09:07:18 AM »
You aren't even talking on the same scale of gravitational magnitude. The Sun is SO much more massive than us, and its gravitational field holds the nuclear explosion in place.
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Quote from: Hara Taiki on August 02, 2007, 10:40:31 AM
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narcberry

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Re: The RE sun, bombs, and you!
« Reply #7 on: July 18, 2007, 09:14:48 AM »
Quote from: Ulrichomega on July 18, 2007, 09:07:18 AM
You aren't even talking on the same scale of gravitational magnitude. The Sun is SO much more massive than us, and its gravitational field holds the nuclear explosion in place.

The RE model's sun:
The equivelant of 183,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 pounds of TNT explodes per second. And you're worried about gravity? How does this not ignite the rest of the fuel instantaneously?
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Ferdinand Magellen

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Re: The RE sun, bombs, and you!
« Reply #8 on: July 18, 2007, 09:28:12 AM »
Narcberry, i'm not going to copy-paste the entire wikipedia page for you. Read the thermonuclear one, and read up on the Lawson criterion. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawson_criterion
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Re: The RE sun, bombs, and you!
« Reply #9 on: July 18, 2007, 09:30:16 AM »
Quote from: Ferdinand Magellen on July 18, 2007, 09:28:12 AM
Narcberry, i'm not going to copy-paste the entire wikipedia page for you. Read the thermonuclear one, and read up on the Lawson criterion. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawson_criterion
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Bushido

Re: The RE sun, bombs, and you!
« Reply #10 on: July 18, 2007, 09:35:50 AM »
Quote from: narcberry on July 18, 2007, 08:42:37 AM
Ever been to a barbeque? Someone starts the charcoal using too much lighter fluid and giant flames erupt. After the flames are going, more fuel will make the flames bigger, brighter, and hotter.

Ever play with black powder? The more you use, the bigger the bang. This is always the case.

The conventional fuels and explosives require oxygen for burning. They also require an ignitor (a spark or open flame in the above cases).

Quote from: narcberry on July 18, 2007, 08:42:37 AM
Nuclear weapons are the same way. The bigger the core, the bigger the explosion.

Do nuclear weapons require oxygen for sustaining the reaction? What is the ignitor for a thermonuclear bomb? If these conditions are not the same, who gives you the right to conclude that there is a positive correlation between the size of the core and the size of the explosion?
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Re: The RE sun, bombs, and you!
« Reply #11 on: July 18, 2007, 09:38:37 AM »
wow another worthless thread brought to us by narcberry.

I think its funny that there is no information about the fe sun yet he bashes the re sun.  It’s cool though, that’s what uneducated people do. 
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Ferdinand Magellen

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Re: The RE sun, bombs, and you!
« Reply #12 on: July 18, 2007, 09:40:53 AM »
Narc's not uneducated, he's clearly very intelligent. He just refuses to accept when his position is untenable, and is blinded by his devotion to that viewpoint.

But yes, its a logical fallacy to compare combustion to fusion, as well as to do so with different fuels even were it just combustion.
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Ulrichomega

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« Reply #13 on: July 18, 2007, 10:25:23 AM »
Narco, TnT and hydrogen are two very different explosives. In the center of the Sun, the hydrogen is fused due to the immense pressures in the center of the Sun. The hydrogen does not "explode". It simply releases huge amounts of energy.
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Quote from: Hara Taiki on August 02, 2007, 10:40:31 AM
I'm so tempted to put a scratch and sniff at the bottom of a pool and see what you do...

Avert your eyes, this is too awesome for them...
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narcberry

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Re: The RE sun, bombs, and you!
« Reply #14 on: July 18, 2007, 01:19:45 PM »
The TnT reference was to give some idea of the explosive force. Kind of reminiscent of how we trigger H-bombs.
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Ferdinand Magellen

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« Reply #15 on: July 18, 2007, 01:32:06 PM »
H bombs are triggered by causing a piece of radioactive material, usually U 235, U 233  or Pu 239 to undergo critical mass. This causes thermonuclear fission. Subsequently, the heat and pressure of the fission blast causes hydrogen isotopes to undergo fusion.

It is true that the compressive force of TNT is used as a trigger in many instances (the implosion method), however, it is a fallacy to say that it is the only method. The "gun" method was used for the Hiroshima bomb, in which a piece of fissile material shaped in a "cup" is launched at a "spike" of the same material. This method does not require TNT, but is regarded as more likely to fail, and is approaching the state of being obsolete in national defenses. The concern is that a primitive device could be devised by terrorists, still making it an important topic to debate.
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Re: The RE sun, bombs, and you!
« Reply #16 on: July 18, 2007, 02:01:36 PM »
Cold fusion is entirely possible.
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Carbiens

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Re: The RE sun, bombs, and you!
« Reply #17 on: July 18, 2007, 07:48:25 PM »
So is me fucking Lindsey.
Doesn't mean its gonna happen :/
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Ulrichomega

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Re: The RE sun, bombs, and you!
« Reply #18 on: July 18, 2007, 09:36:16 PM »
Don't be so sure, she's pretty easy.
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Quote from: Hara Taiki on August 02, 2007, 10:40:31 AM
I'm so tempted to put a scratch and sniff at the bottom of a pool and see what you do...

Avert your eyes, this is too awesome for them...
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Marinade

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Re: The RE sun, bombs, and you!
« Reply #19 on: July 18, 2007, 09:55:50 PM »
I wish I knew who you were talking about.
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Haha Tom is so funny. He can't be serious, no one is that stubborn or dumb.
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Ulrichomega

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Re: The RE sun, bombs, and you!
« Reply #20 on: July 18, 2007, 09:58:50 PM »
Lohan, Lindsey Lohan.


*turns and shoots camera*
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Quote from: Hara Taiki on August 02, 2007, 10:40:31 AM
I'm so tempted to put a scratch and sniff at the bottom of a pool and see what you do...

Avert your eyes, this is too awesome for them...
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Marinade

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Re: The RE sun, bombs, and you!
« Reply #21 on: July 18, 2007, 10:02:08 PM »
Ah, Indeed though she was hotter before she lost all the weight and died her hair.
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Haha Tom is so funny. He can't be serious, no one is that stubborn or dumb.
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Re: The RE sun, bombs, and you!
« Reply #22 on: July 18, 2007, 11:34:23 PM »
Quote from: narcberry on July 18, 2007, 08:55:40 AM
Correct, it is unstable and would lead to an explosion. How does the sun stay controlled and stable? Because it has a lot more unstable reactions going on?

I only read to this point so if someone already said it good job, but have ever heard of a supernova?
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« Reply #23 on: July 19, 2007, 03:09:26 AM »
Quote from: Marinade on July 18, 2007, 10:02:08 PM
Ah, Indeed though she was hotter before she lost all the weight and died her hair.

QFT
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« Reply #24 on: July 19, 2007, 06:22:13 AM »
The sun hasn't finished the reaction, when it does it will explode. What's your point Narc?
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Ulrichomega

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« Reply #25 on: July 19, 2007, 07:38:25 AM »
He still thinks that the Sun isn't as big as it really is, and so he can't imagine the actual enormity of the actual Sun. THerefore he can't imagine the scale of this reaction, and can't argue with us on the same level.
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Quote from: Hara Taiki on August 02, 2007, 10:40:31 AM
I'm so tempted to put a scratch and sniff at the bottom of a pool and see what you do...

Avert your eyes, this is too awesome for them...
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Re: The RE sun, bombs, and you!
« Reply #26 on: July 19, 2007, 07:41:28 AM »
Quote from: Ulrichomega on July 19, 2007, 07:38:25 AM
He still thinks that the Sun isn't as big as it really is, and so he can't imagine the actual enormity of the actual Sun. THerefore he can't imagine the scale of this reaction, and can't argue with us on the same level.

That's deep.
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« Reply #27 on: July 19, 2007, 08:49:04 AM »
No it isn't. But it is probably accurate.
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Ulrichomega

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« Reply #28 on: July 19, 2007, 06:34:07 PM »
Boo, yah.
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Quote from: Hara Taiki on August 02, 2007, 10:40:31 AM
I'm so tempted to put a scratch and sniff at the bottom of a pool and see what you do...

Avert your eyes, this is too awesome for them...
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narcberry

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Re: The RE sun, bombs, and you!
« Reply #29 on: July 20, 2007, 09:08:35 AM »
So you are all saying the bomb is too big to explode. Got it.
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