The RE sun, bombs, and you!

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narcberry

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Re: The RE sun, bombs, and you!
« Reply #150 on: September 18, 2007, 03:58:40 PM »
Correct, it is unstable and would lead to an explosion. How does the sun stay controlled and stable? Because it has a lot more unstable reactions going on?

the sun isn't stable, it's constantly changing. And it is exploding in a sence.

Again, back to the so unstable it's stable.

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Re: The RE sun, bombs, and you!
« Reply #151 on: September 18, 2007, 04:52:47 PM »
Fail.
My problem with his ideas is that it is a ridiculous thing.

Genius. PURE, undiluted genius.

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Re: The RE sun, bombs, and you!
« Reply #152 on: September 19, 2007, 08:15:15 AM »


Re: The RE sun, bombs, and you!
« Reply #154 on: September 19, 2007, 10:02:06 AM »
It doesn't heat the earth. The source of all heat is the earth's core. The sun feels warm because it reflects some of this heat.

QED earth is flat.

The concept of a "core", or centre, is only possible on a round earth. And if this "core" is the north pole (which it must be in FE) then why is the north pole frozen. Haha got u narc

he obviously thinks there's a great magma doughnut buried beneith the equator  :D

We have no conclusive evidence

i just found this kinda funny too
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Re: The RE sun, bombs, and you!
« Reply #155 on: September 19, 2007, 10:07:38 AM »
It doesn't heat the earth. The source of all heat is the earth's core. The sun feels warm because it reflects some of this heat.

QED earth is flat.

The concept of a "core", or centre, is only possible on a round earth. And if this "core" is the north pole (which it must be in FE) then why is the north pole frozen. Haha got u narc

he obviously thinks there's a great magma doughnut buried beneith the equator  :D

The deeper you go underground, the hotter it gets. How is the sun the source of all heat if the earth is hotter deeper and cooler shallower? The heat comes from beneath, heating the lowest sections of earth more and the surface the least. Very high places, like tall mountains receive the least heat resulting in very cold temperatures. High altitudes, in flight, receive even less because the air transfers less heat to them. This is why it is cooler and cooler the higher you go.

That is unless you are an RE believer, where the sun heats everything making the core of earth very hot, but the surface very cool. It also makes the skies hotter and hotter the higher you go, the altitude of the ISS is 4000 degrees. How is the surface of earth the coolest place? The sun causes a directly competing double gradient of heat distribution? Are you kidding me?

FE is the only logical explanation.

Re: The RE sun, bombs, and you!
« Reply #156 on: September 19, 2007, 10:14:19 AM »
That is unless you are an RE believer, where the sun heats everything making the core of earth very hot, but the surface very cool. It also makes the skies hotter and hotter the higher you go, the altitude of the ISS is 4000 degrees. How is the surface of earth the coolest place? The sun causes a directly competing double gradient of heat distribution? Are you kidding me?

according to that logic the moon would have melted and cooled with every cycle

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Re: The RE sun, bombs, and you!
« Reply #157 on: September 19, 2007, 10:15:05 AM »
That is unless you are an RE believer, where the sun heats everything making the core of earth very hot, but the surface very cool. It also makes the skies hotter and hotter the higher you go, the altitude of the ISS is 4000 degrees. How is the surface of earth the coolest place? The sun causes a directly competing double gradient of heat distribution? Are you kidding me?

according to that logic the moon would have melted and cooled with every cycle

Yeah I know, we can basically throw the RE model out the window. So much for their predictions, huh?

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Re: The RE sun, bombs, and you!
« Reply #158 on: September 19, 2007, 11:12:01 AM »
That is unless you are an RE believer, where the sun heats everything making the core of earth very hot, but the surface very cool. It also makes the skies hotter and hotter the higher you go, the altitude of the ISS is 4000 degrees. How is the surface of earth the coolest place? The sun causes a directly competing double gradient of heat distribution? Are you kidding me?

according to that logic the moon would have melted and cooled with every cycle

Yeah I know, we can basically throw the RE model out the window. So much for their predictions, huh?
nope. 
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Re: The RE sun, bombs, and you!
« Reply #159 on: September 19, 2007, 11:58:00 AM »
Then please explain how the RE moon doesn't melt in the sun.

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Re: The RE sun, bombs, and you!
« Reply #160 on: September 19, 2007, 12:21:41 PM »
The moon doesn't get hot enough to melt. 
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Re: The RE sun, bombs, and you!
« Reply #161 on: September 19, 2007, 12:23:58 PM »
Why would it? The earth's upper atmosphere does. Of course, we know the moon has no atmosphere. But whatever inconsistancies you want to keep, you can keep. Just don't expect us to believe you.

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« Reply #162 on: September 19, 2007, 12:33:39 PM »
Then please explain how the RE moon doesn't melt in the sun.
First please show your reasoning, complete with math, that it should.

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Re: The RE sun, bombs, and you!
« Reply #163 on: September 19, 2007, 12:38:01 PM »
Why would it? The earth's upper atmosphere does. Of course, we know the moon has no atmosphere. But whatever inconsistancies you want to keep, you can keep. Just don't expect us to believe you.
You are right, it wouldn't.  

The moon does not get to 4000 degrees.  If you have trouble with this, take your own temperature readings.  

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Mean Surface Temperature

                          F      R      C      K
          Earth          59    519     15    288
          Moon           -9    451    -23    250
          Mars          -76    384    -60    213

     Minimum Surface Temperature

                          F      R      C      K
          Earth        -128    332    -89    184
          Moon         -233    227   -147    126
          Mars         -170    290   -112    161

     Maximum Surface Temperature

                          F      R      C      K
          Earth         136    596     58    331
          Moon          212    672    100    373
          Mars           17    477     -8    265
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Re: The RE sun, bombs, and you!
« Reply #164 on: September 19, 2007, 12:46:54 PM »
Which only make sense in the FE model. Of course I don't think the moon is melting, I can see that it is not.

How does your RE model account for the moon not melting? Oh right, inconsistancy.

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sokarul

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Re: The RE sun, bombs, and you!
« Reply #165 on: September 19, 2007, 12:50:28 PM »
Which only make sense in the FE model. Of course I don't think the moon is melting, I can see that it is not.

How does your RE model account for the moon not melting? Oh right, inconsistancy.
Nope.  No inconsistency(spelled right) here. 
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Re: The RE sun, bombs, and you!
« Reply #166 on: September 21, 2007, 08:16:45 AM »

Cue the sun. The fantastic giant bomb that never explodes. It's magical properties allow it to maintain unimagineably high pressure, heat, and fuel supply (3 things that bombs love) without ever exploding. Just slowly burn, you magical monster you!

This would be because the inward force of gravity balances the outward forces of pressure from the light the sun creates. The balance was achieved when the sun was forming. The sun *will* explode in 5 billion years as the really hardcore fusion happens at the end of its life. Honestly, you guys are not going to win these arguments going up against a physicist.

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Re: The RE sun, bombs, and you!
« Reply #167 on: September 21, 2007, 12:40:05 PM »

Cue the sun. The fantastic giant bomb that never explodes. It's magical properties allow it to maintain unimagineably high pressure, heat, and fuel supply (3 things that bombs love) without ever exploding. Just slowly burn, you magical monster you!

This would be because the inward force of gravity balances the outward forces of pressure from the light the sun creates. The balance was achieved when the sun was forming. The sun *will* explode in 5 billion years as the really hardcore fusion happens at the end of its life. Honestly, you guys are not going to win these arguments going up against a physicist.

The outwards forces from the light it creates?!?!

Do you mean from fusion?

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« Reply #168 on: September 21, 2007, 12:44:17 PM »

The outwards forces from the light it creates?!?!

Do you mean from fusion?

Well what is fusion creating? Light. The outward pressure of the light far exceeds the pressure of the gas itself. There are some stars that so thinned out there would be practically nothing around you if you were in one. Beetlejeuse, for example, has a density that is on average a billionth of the density of air.

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Re: The RE sun, bombs, and you!
« Reply #169 on: September 21, 2007, 12:45:19 PM »

The outwards forces from the light it creates?!?!

Do you mean from fusion?

Well what is fusion creating? Light. The outward pressure of the light far exceeds the pressure of the gas itself. There are some stars that so thinned out there would be practically nothing around you if you were in one. Beetlejeuse, for example, has a density that is on average a billionth of the density of air.

Lol light causes pressure? I thought it was the output of force caused by the loss of mass. How silly am i?

Re: The RE sun, bombs, and you!
« Reply #170 on: September 21, 2007, 12:48:58 PM »

The outwards forces from the light it creates?!?!

Do you mean from fusion?

Well what is fusion creating? Light. The outward pressure of the light far exceeds the pressure of the gas itself. There are some stars that so thinned out there would be practically nothing around you if you were in one. Beetlejeuse, for example, has a density that is on average a billionth of the density of air.

Lol light causes pressure? I thought it was the output of force caused by the loss of mass. How silly am i?

It's ok. It's good to be open-minded to elarning new things. Yes, light does cause pressure. There was a time when the government was investigating a spaceship driver by the light from the sun, but it's not exactly feasible. Think about throwing a bunch of rocks at a car in neutral (on a level surface). As the rocks bounce off, they impart momentum to the car, so it moves a bit. It's the same with light, you just have to remember that light comes in packets called photons that bounce of objects the same as rocks and cause pressure.

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Re: The RE sun, bombs, and you!
« Reply #171 on: September 21, 2007, 12:50:19 PM »
The difference being that light lacks mass.
So comparing a photon to a rock is a bit of a stretch.

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« Reply #172 on: September 21, 2007, 12:51:25 PM »
The difference being that light lacks mass.
So comparing a photon to a rock is a bit of a stretch.

They have no mass but they do carry mommentum. It's jsut an analogy.

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Raist

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Re: The RE sun, bombs, and you!
« Reply #173 on: September 21, 2007, 12:57:12 PM »
The difference being that light lacks mass.
So comparing a photon to a rock is a bit of a stretch.

They have no mass but they do carry mommentum. It's jsut an analogy.

No. not right at all. Try again later.

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sokarul

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Re: The RE sun, bombs, and you!
« Reply #174 on: September 21, 2007, 01:07:24 PM »
The difference being that light lacks mass.
So comparing a photon to a rock is a bit of a stretch.

They have no mass but they do carry mommentum. It's jsut an analogy.

No. not right at all. Try again later.
His analogy sucked but light does carry momentum. 
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« Reply #175 on: September 21, 2007, 01:24:55 PM »
The difference being that light lacks mass.
So comparing a photon to a rock is a bit of a stretch.

They have no mass but they do carry mommentum. It's jsut an analogy.

No. not right at all. Try again later.
"Apart from energy a photon also carries momentum and has a polarization."

Reference: Wikipedia.

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Re: The RE sun, bombs, and you!
« Reply #176 on: September 21, 2007, 01:26:05 PM »
The difference being that light lacks mass.
So comparing a photon to a rock is a bit of a stretch.

They have no mass but they do carry mommentum. It's jsut an analogy.

No. not right at all. Try again later.
"Apart from energy a photon also carries momentum and has a polarization."

Reference: Wikipedia.

i'm good. I tried to look up the formula for momentum and came upon the formula for massless momentum. So i believe you lol.

Re: The RE sun, bombs, and you!
« Reply #177 on: September 21, 2007, 01:29:57 PM »
The difference being that light lacks mass.
So comparing a photon to a rock is a bit of a stretch.

They have no mass but they do carry mommentum. It's jsut an analogy.

No. not right at all. Try again later.
"Apart from energy a photon also carries momentum and has a polarization."

Reference: Wikipedia.

i'm good. I tried to look up the formula for momentum and came upon the formula for massless momentum. So i believe you lol.
Kudos.

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Re: The RE sun, bombs, and you!
« Reply #178 on: September 21, 2007, 01:33:29 PM »
The difference being that light lacks mass.
So comparing a photon to a rock is a bit of a stretch.

They have no mass but they do carry mommentum. It's jsut an analogy.

No. not right at all. Try again later.
"Apart from energy a photon also carries momentum and has a polarization."

Reference: Wikipedia.

i'm good. I tried to look up the formula for momentum and came upon the formula for massless momentum. So i believe you lol.
Kudos.

You might be able to go to your nearest Home Depot or other store that sells windows.  Those fans that sit behind windows and spin show that light has momentum. 
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Re: The RE sun, bombs, and you!
« Reply #179 on: September 21, 2007, 01:35:38 PM »
To be technical on the mass of a proton. That's just what it's assumed to be, we haven't been able to check it experimentally yet.

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A new limit on photon mass, less than 10-51 grams or 7 x 10-19 electron volts, has been established by an experiment in which light is aimed at a sensitive torsion balance; if light had mass, the rotating balance would suffer an additional tiny torque. This represents a 20-fold improvement over previous limits on photon mass.

Photon mass is expected to be zero by most physicists, but this is an assumption which must be checked experimentally. A nonzero mass would make trouble for special relativity, Maxwell's equations, and for Coulomb's inverse-square law for electrical attraction.

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So it's most likely zero, but we haven't been able to prove that yet.
Haha Tom is so funny. He can't be serious, no one is that stubborn or dumb.