More on the religious fundamentalism and biblical literalism of Rowbotham

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So Roundy had a thread a little while back about some aspects of ENaG which pointed to Rowbotham being a biblical literalist. Looking at the end of chapter 20, while seraching for a list of diagrams, I stumbled upon some more stuff which I thought was kind of funny, almost too good to be true, and which illustrates Roundy's point further. I thought I'd post some of key 'passages' for you. Enjoy:

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Having detected the fundamental falsehoods of modern astronomy, and discovered that the earth is a plane, and motionless, and the only known material world, we are able to demonstrate the actual character of the universe. In doing this, we are enabled to prove that all the so-called arguments with which so many scientific but irreligious men have assailed the Sacred Scriptures are absolutely false--not doubtful or less plausible, but unconditionally false; that they have no foundation except in fallacious astronomical and geological theories; and, therefore, must fall to the ground as valueless. They can no longer be wielded by irreverent smatterers as weapons against religion. If used at all, it can only be that their weakness and utter worthlessness will be exposed. Atheism and every other form of infidelity are thus rendered helpless. Their sting is cut away and their poison dissipated. The irreligious philosopher can no longer obtrude his theories as things proved wherewith to test the teachings of Scripture.


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The process--the modus operandi and the conclusions derived therefrom have been given in the early sections of this work; and, as these conclusions are found to be entirely consistent with the teachings of Scripture, we are compelled, by the sheer weight of evidence, by the force of practical demonstration and logical requirement, to declare emphatically that the Old and New Testaments of the Jewish and Christian Church are, in everything which appertains to the visible and material world, strictly and literally true. If, after the severest criticism, and comparison with known causes of phenomena, the Scriptures are thus found to be absolutely truthful in their literal expressions, it is simply just and wise that we take them as standards by which to test the truth or falsehood of all systems or teachings which may hereafter be presented to the world. Philosophy is no longer to be employed as a test of Scriptural truth, but the Scriptures ought and may with safety and satisfaction be applied as the test of all philosophy.

Umm.. wait a minute.. so if someone in the bible would claim something about the natural world and it would happen that it was so, then suddenly everything else must also be true? This guy relishes logical fallacies doesn't he? Well.. that's one way to tell people never to question the bible again...


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The Christian will be greatly strengthened, and his mind more completely satisfied, by having it in his power to demonstrate that the Scriptures are philosophically true, than he could possibly be by the simple belief in their truthfulness unsupported by practical evidence. On the other hand, the atheist or the disbeliever in the Scriptures, who is met by the Christian on purely scientific grounds, will be led to listen with more respect, and to pay more regard to the reasons advanced than he would concede to the purely religious belief or to any argument founded upon faith alone. If it can be shown to the atheistical or unbelieving philosopher that his astronomical and geological theories have no practical foundation, but are fallacious both in their premises and conclusions, and that all the literal expressions in the Scriptures which have reference to natural phenomena are demonstrably true, he will, of necessity, as a truth-seeker, if he should have so avowed himself, and for very shame as a man, be led to admit that, apart from all other considerations, if the truth of the philosophy of the Scriptures can be demonstrated, then, possibly, their spiritual and moral teachings may also be true; and if so, they may, and indeed must, have had a Divine origin; and, therefore, there must exist a Divine Being, a Creator and Ruler of the physical and spiritual worlds; and that, after all, the Christian religion is a grand reality, and that he himself, through all his days of forgetfulness and denial of God, has been guarded and cared for as a merely mistaken creature, undeserving the fate of an obstinate, self-willed opponent of everything sacred and superhuman.


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He cannot fail to see, and will not be slow to admit, that all the theories which speculative adventurous philosophers have advanced are nothing better than treacherous quick-sands, into which many of the deepest thinkers have been engulphed and possibly lost. By this process of mental concatenation many highly intelligent minds have been led to renounce and desert the ranks of atheism and speculative philosophy, and to rejoin or enlist in the army of Christian soldiers and devotees.

And now for my personal favourite:
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To truthfully instruct the ingenuous Christian mind, to protect it from the meshes of false philosophy, and the snares of specious but hollow illogical reasoning; to save it from falling into the frigid arms of atheistic science; to convince it that all unscriptural teaching is false and deadly, and to induce great numbers of earnest deep-thinking human beings to desert the rebellious cause of atheism; to return to a full recognition of the beauty and truthfulness of the Scriptures, and to a participation in the joy and satisfaction which the Christian religion alone can supply, is a grand and cheering result, and one which furnishes the noblest possible answer to the ever ready Cui bono.

If that isn't biblical literalism and Christian fundamentalism then I don't know what the hell is. Yes, Rowbotham does state that we should believe these things not because of faith but because they have been demonstrated. I think he's full of shit there, and just trying to pose as legitimate and scientific. It's the same thing you see with all these centres for intelligent design today: "Oh we're not claiming these things simply out of faith, no no.. the science says so." Get the fuck outa here..
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Hmm... A good solid RE arguement and not an FE'er in sight. ::)
Oh, no...they're here. It's just that damn perspective..

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Take THAT organized religion!
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I agree 100%.  Further evidence that the whole foundation of this theory rests on Biblical literalism.  That's why I don't take this site seriously; it simply doesn't make sense for anyone but a Biblical literalist to question the shape of the earth, and the vast majority of FEers on this forum claim to be atheists.

Great post.  :)
Where did you educate the biology, in toulet?

I agree 100%.  Further evidence that the whole foundation of this theory rests on Biblical literalism.  That's why I don't take this site seriously; it simply doesn't make sense for anyone but a Biblical literalist to question the shape of the earth, and the vast majority of FEers on this forum claim to be atheists.

Great post.  :)
Well said, Roundy. Great Post2.

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If it can be shown to the atheistical or unbelieving philosopher that his astronomical and geological theories have no practical foundation, but are fallacious both in their premises and conclusions, and that all the literal expressions in the Scriptures which have reference to natural phenomena are demonstrably true, he will, of necessity, as a truth-seeker, if he should have so avowed himself, and for very shame as a man, be led to admit that, apart from all other considerations, if the truth of the philosophy of the Scriptures can be demonstrated, then, possibly, their spiritual and moral teachings may also be true; and if so, they may, and indeed must, have had a Divine origin; and, therefore, there must exist a Divine Being, a Creator and Ruler of the physical and spiritual worlds; and that, after all, the Christian religion is a grand reality, and that he himself, through all his days of forgetfulness and denial of God, has been guarded and cared for as a merely mistaken creature, undeserving the fate of an obstinate, self-willed opponent of everything sacred and superhuman.

I can NOT get over the length of this sentence.

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I agree 100%.  Further evidence that the whole foundation of this theory rests on Biblical literalism.  That's why I don't take this site seriously; it simply doesn't make sense for anyone but a Biblical literalist to question the shape of the earth, and the vast majority of FEers on this forum claim to be atheists.

Great post.  :)
Well said, Roundy. Great Post2.

Well, thank you for saying so, Gulliver.
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If it can be shown to the atheistical or unbelieving philosopher that his astronomical and geological theories have no practical foundation, but are fallacious both in their premises and conclusions, and that all the literal expressions in the Scriptures which have reference to natural phenomena are demonstrably true, he will, of necessity, as a truth-seeker, if he should have so avowed himself, and for very shame as a man, be led to admit that, apart from all other considerations, if the truth of the philosophy of the Scriptures can be demonstrated, then, possibly, their spiritual and moral teachings may also be true; and if so, they may, and indeed must, have had a Divine origin; and, therefore, there must exist a Divine Being, a Creator and Ruler of the physical and spiritual worlds; and that, after all, the Christian religion is a grand reality, and that he himself, through all his days of forgetfulness and denial of God, has been guarded and cared for as a merely mistaken creature, undeserving the fate of an obstinate, self-willed opponent of everything sacred and superhuman.

I can NOT get over the length of this sentence.


It technically ends halfway at the semicolon; but they are definitely behemoths. You'd think he could organize his thoughts better.
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Haha yeah, I was thinking that too. That guy abuses the shit out of the comma and the run-on sentence. I wouldn't expect him to organize his thoughts any better though. I mean... he's an eccentric religious fundamentalist with idioic theories, not a man of reason. I have no high expectations of him.

That aside, does anyone else notice how much Tom sounds like him though? Not so much with run-on sentences and all that, but with how he says things, the kinds of words and expressions he uses etc. lol if there was one man on earth today who could be said to be Rowbotham's reincarnation, it would definitelly have to be Tom.
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Hmm... A good solid RE arguement and not an FE'er in sight. ::)
Oh, no...they're here. It's just that damn perspective..

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stfu dumbasses!!!!!!!!!!!! YOU ALL ARE STUPID!!!!!

ITS ROUND!

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That's a nice 2D GIF you have there.
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You mean "it's" right? Since you're using a short form of "it is". Thinking before you post is hard.. I know. Go back to grade school and learn the basics of your own language.
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Hmm... A good solid RE arguement and not an FE'er in sight. ::)
Oh, no...they're here. It's just that damn perspective..

I think Tom idolizes Rowbotham, it wouldn't surprise me if he were trying to sound like he did.

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Haha yeah, I was thinking that too. That guy abuses the shit out of the comma and the run-on sentence. I wouldn't expect him to organize his thoughts any better though. I mean... he's an eccentric religious fundamentalist with idioic theories, not a man of reason. I have no high expectations of him.

That aside, does anyone else notice how much Tom sounds like him though? Not so much with run-on sentences and all that, but with how he says things, the kinds of words and expressions he uses etc. lol if there was one man on earth today who could be said to be Rowbotham's reincarnation, it would definitelly have to be Tom.

Hahaha I said a while back I thought Tom was Rowbotham's descendant and that's why he's trying to hard to prove him right. Totally agree.

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If it can be shown to the atheistical or unbelieving philosopher that his astronomical and geological theories have no practical foundation, but are fallacious both in their premises and conclusions; that all the literal expressions in the Scriptures which have reference to natural phenomena are demonstrably true; he will, of necessity, as a truth-seeker, if he should have so avowed himself, and for very shame as a man, be led to admit that, apart from all other considerations, if the truth of the philosophy of the Scriptures can be demonstrated, then, possibly, their spiritual and moral teachings may also be true; and if so, they may, and indeed must, have had a Divine origin.  Therefore, there must exist a Divine Being, a Creator and Ruler of the physical and spiritual worlds; and that, after all, the Christian religion is a grand reality, and that he himself, through all his days of forgetfulness and denial of God, has been guarded and cared for as a merely mistaken creature, undeserving the fate of an obstinate, self-willed opponent of everything sacred and superhuman.

I can NOT get over the length of this sentence.


Fixed I was bored... heh really bored.
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Haha Tom is so funny. He can't be serious, no one is that stubborn or dumb.