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Re: Who's in on the conspiracy? Info for the FAQ
« Reply #60 on: July 12, 2007, 09:12:44 PM »
You have stated that the Ice Wall could be guarded by high-school dropouts.

Somewhat true. They need to watch their technological devices and make necessary actions when/if anyone should pass a certain area. They are also to continually do an inventory count, and call a phone number once their inventory of certain supplies reaches a certain, predetermined number. Then, pilots of the conspiracy from this military sect would bring their supplies. They would then take the supplies off the craft, and put them in their designated spots in the facility.

You've asserted that the conspiracy is plausible. You have failed to substantiate that assertion. You have the onus here, and impugning the servicemen who carry out military actions as being "high-school dropouts" and unable to reason where in the world they are has not helped your case in the least.

I already said why that wasn't going to work. There are too many assumptions.

Also, my high school dropout suggestion was to show the problem with your claim that everyone in the military would know about the rotation of the stars and their subsequent locations, revealing to them that the Earth was a sphere and that they would know where they are.
Just the "call a phone number" demonstrates how naive you are about military operations. Just give up.

You're definitely building a straw man argument there, with "revealing to them that the Earth was a sphere" in particular.

I've not been through basic, but I suspect that if you can't navigate by the stars, you don't get to move on. Do you think that anyone would be placed in this hostile environment without survival training? I don't know of any military survival training that would not include such information, do you? I would expect that any deployment to the Ice Wall would include training with a review of the relevant geography and the navigational cues of the Sun and stars.

Do you no longer assert that the conspiracy theory is plausible, or even not implausible?

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« Reply #61 on: July 12, 2007, 09:21:37 PM »
Just the "call a phone number" demonstrates how naive you are about military operations. Just give up.

"Many countries have a Signal Corps, whose main function is usually communication (in modern times, usually radio, telephone or now digital communications on the battlefield)."

Would you prefer if I put radio or other methods of communication? It doesn't change anything really. Since you didn't deny other aspects of that first paragraph, I'm assuming you aren't refuting the ease of those occurrences.

I've not been through basic, but I suspect that if you can't navigate by the stars, you don't get to move on. Do you think that anyone would be placed in this hostile environment without survival training? I don't know of any military survival training that would not include such information, do you? I would expect that any deployment to the Ice Wall would include training with a review of the relevant geography and the navigational cues of the Sun and stars.

Do you no longer assert that the conspiracy theory is plausible, or even not implausible?

I do not know what guards of the Ice Wall would be taught in regards to the celestial bodies in relation to their position at the Ice Wall. I would speculate that some information regarding it would be included if it were true.
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« Reply #62 on: July 12, 2007, 09:36:56 PM »
Just the "call a phone number" demonstrates how naive you are about military operations. Just give up.

"Many countries have a Signal Corps, whose main function is usually communication (in modern times, usually radio, telephone or now digital communications on the battlefield)."

Would you prefer if I put radio or other methods of communication? It doesn't change anything really. Since you didn't deny other aspects of that first paragraph, I'm assuming you aren't refuting the ease of those occurrences.

I've not been through basic, but I suspect that if you can't navigate by the stars, you don't get to move on. Do you think that anyone would be placed in this hostile environment without survival training? I don't know of any military survival training that would not include such information, do you? I would expect that any deployment to the Ice Wall would include training with a review of the relevant geography and the navigational cues of the Sun and stars.

Do you no longer assert that the conspiracy theory is plausible, or even not implausible?

I do not know what guards of the Ice Wall would be taught in regards to the celestial bodies in relation to their position at the Ice Wall. I would speculate that some information regarding it would be included if it were true.
I would prefer that you get a clue. No, it's not signaling. Requisitioning is done by computer data entry in the field, not by a phone call. Even done to the unit level these days, computer networks reach stationed personnel. The "high-school dropouts" select the correct system, key in the correct family and classification and a host of other types of data, including whether the item will be used in battle. The user must select the correct priority and delivery date against the expense of each and deal with the available budget, both of financial and people resources. They must consider contingencies such as inclement weather and equipment failure. They must anticipate needs against the future weather and troop conditions. They may even have to determine when to escalate a shortage or a defect up the chain of command. They use properly record use, loss, and spoilage. They must remain aware of innovations and improvements. They do a lot with a great deal of intelligence. You haven't a clue.

You're quite wrong about your assumption. The rest of your paragraph was equally inane. I'm not going to teach you the error of your ways on each and every misstep.

The conspiracy has not been shown to be plausible and should be dismissed out of hand until it is.

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Re: Who's in on the conspiracy? Info for the FAQ
« Reply #63 on: July 12, 2007, 09:55:06 PM »
All of which would be trained and instructed. Why you're still using high school dropouts is weird. I already explained why I used the idea of them initially.

The conspiracy has not been shown to be plausible and should be dismissed out of hand until it is.

Also known as ignorance. I wish I could dismiss stuff as easily.
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« Reply #64 on: July 12, 2007, 09:59:58 PM »
Mr Divito,
May I take this opportunity to to say whilst I'm sure your well meaning your posts do show an ignorance of the logistics, requirements , nature  but most importantly the role of the Armed Services.
This , without exposing too much of my personal life is a topic I can talk on authoritatively.Please read ignorance as the lack of knowlege rather than a character trait.

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Re: Who's in on the conspiracy? Info for the FAQ
« Reply #65 on: July 12, 2007, 10:06:08 PM »
Mr Divito,
May I take this opportunity to to say whilst I'm sure your well meaning your posts do show an ignorance of the logistics, requirements , nature  but most importantly the role of the Armed Services.
This , without exposing too much of my personal life is a topic I can talk on authoritatively.Please read ignorance as the lack of knowlege rather than a character trait.

Riles

I would never profess myself as an expert in that area, although nothing has been stated that I would deem outlandish in accord with the guarding of an Ice Wall. In fact, making up explanations to account for people's disbelief has been fun. I intend to learn more about various aspects as this continues. I don't want to seem too hard-headed about any of this.

On that, I'm going to sleep. Night.
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« Reply #66 on: July 13, 2007, 01:40:46 AM »
This thread is hilarious.
My problem with his ideas is that it is a ridiculous thing.

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Re: Who's in on the conspiracy? Info for the FAQ
« Reply #67 on: July 13, 2007, 02:40:08 AM »
think im going to stalk divito
I'm almost able to read retardeese without any trouble now.  YAY.

Re: Who's in on the conspiracy? Info for the FAQ
« Reply #68 on: July 13, 2007, 09:28:40 AM »
This thread is hilarious.

That was the intention. Sadly not quite in the way I thought.

Instead of the positive and humorous additions to the list of people in the conspiracy all we've had is a waaaayyyy too serious discussion about the finer points of military logistics. And there was me thinking this was a joke website.

You. All. Fail.

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« Reply #69 on: July 13, 2007, 09:44:35 AM »
You haven't a clue.
I agree. I have not seen such an insulting string of claims against the Military in my life, not even during the Vietnam days.

As I said in another place, it is easy to make a convincing argument for even the most absurd claims. But you do not have to say noncommissioned military and/or high school dropouts are so stupid. Human beings are multifaceted, complex and intelligent beings that ask questions and use their intelligence, and find out what they are not supposed to know, even if they suffer mental retardation.

Studies show that convicted felons have below average intelligence and below average studies, and yet escapes and felonies from prison are rampant.

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Re: Who's in on the conspiracy? Info for the FAQ
« Reply #70 on: July 13, 2007, 11:37:07 AM »
I have not seen such an insulting string of claims against the Military in my life, not even during the Vietnam days.

Care to point out these claims?

But you do not have to say noncommissioned military and/or high school dropouts are so stupid.

Where did I say this?
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« Reply #71 on: July 13, 2007, 06:45:57 PM »
I have not seen such an insulting string of claims against the Military in my life, not even during the Vietnam days.

Care to point out these claims?

But you do not have to say noncommissioned military and/or high school dropouts are so stupid.

Where did I say this?

Are you saying that you are not assuming those guards are less intelligent, less prepared, less inquisitive than you? The million dollar bribe is at least laughable but not insulting.

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« Reply #72 on: July 13, 2007, 06:57:57 PM »
bondurant, go to Australia and map it out yourself, then you can see the real shape, shown in the RE model.
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« Reply #73 on: July 13, 2007, 07:36:39 PM »
Simon Singh is also "in on it".   :o
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« Reply #74 on: July 13, 2007, 08:21:59 PM »
Divito has got to be, without a single shred of the doubt, the best god damn forum Debater, Bait layer I have ever seen in my life.

*tip o the hat, mang*  ;)

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My problem with his ideas is that it is a ridiculous thing.

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« Reply #75 on: July 13, 2007, 10:33:51 PM »
Divito has got to be, without a single shred of the doubt, the best god damn forum Debater, Bait layer I have ever seen in my life.

*tip o the hat, mang*  ;)


I agree. In my short time here I have already recognized the skills. Cheers to Divito! :thumbsup:
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« Reply #76 on: July 14, 2007, 04:35:07 AM »
Touching on the earlier points, I'm sorry if my lack of knowledge disgraced the military in any way.

Are you saying that you are not assuming those guards are less intelligent, less prepared, less inquisitive than you? The million dollar bribe is at least laughable but not insulting.

I would assume they'd take less sharp individuals for such a detail. That's of course not always going to be the case, as you've got the various ranks to control your squads etc...

Sending highly intelligent people to such a locale for such an assignment wouldn't be wise for the supposed conspiracy. If there was an Ice Wall, it would make far more sense to dispatch impressionable youths, of lesser intelligence. This ensures less questioning of orders initially, longer years of service in the oblivion, and essentially guarantees that they won't be able to figure out the sky doesn't make sense.

This is of course, simple speculation.

PS - Thanks for the kind words. I was fearing a wag of the finger :D
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« Reply #77 on: July 14, 2007, 08:34:25 AM »
I would officially like to add more people to the conspiracy.

I was doing some wireless network work at the local VFW (my parents are aux members).  i had some downtime so I was reading the list of all the medals people can receive. There were two that struck me. 
First you can get a medal for traveling to Antarctica and you can get one for wintering in Antarctica. 

So I propose that the military is also in on the conspiracy and that every solder that travels down there is paid one fat bonus. 
ANNIHILATOR OF  SHIFTER

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« Reply #78 on: July 14, 2007, 08:00:39 PM »
Touching on the earlier points, I'm sorry if my lack of knowledge disgraced the military in any way.

Are you saying that you are not assuming those guards are less intelligent, less prepared, less inquisitive than you? The million dollar bribe is at least laughable but not insulting.

I would assume they'd take less sharp individuals for such a detail. That's of course not always going to be the case, as you've got the various ranks to control your squads etc...

Sending highly intelligent people to such a locale for such an assignment wouldn't be wise for the supposed conspiracy. If there was an Ice Wall, it would make far more sense to dispatch impressionable youths, of lesser intelligence. This ensures less questioning of orders initially, longer years of service in the oblivion, and essentially guarantees that they won't be able to figure out the sky doesn't make sense.

This is of course, simple speculation.

PS - Thanks for the kind words. I was fearing a wag of the finger :D
I was, and am, waging my finger, only not in the name calling tradition of this forum.

I have seen children, cleaning ladies, domestic help and other people from the lower levels of our work force at work and they are not the robots with total lack of intelligence and need to inquire everything that you portray. They ask themselves everything from the decisions of management to the affaires of colleagues. Even less fortunate people ask themselves and others the most unexpected questions, and half of them go on to gossip about it.

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« Reply #79 on: July 14, 2007, 11:20:46 PM »
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I have seen children, cleaning ladies, domestic help and other people from the lower levels of our work force at work and they are not the robots with total lack of intelligence and need to inquire everything that you portray. They ask themselves everything from the decisions of management to the affaires of colleagues. Even less fortunate people ask themselves and others the most unexpected questions, and half of them go on to gossip about it.
Holy shit! Way to stand up for the "little people"! I don't know whether to cry or put a gun to my head. Hara, can you help me out here?   ???
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« Reply #80 on: July 15, 2007, 12:31:14 AM »
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I have seen children, cleaning ladies, domestic help and other people from the lower levels of our work force at work and they are not the robots with total lack of intelligence and need to inquire everything that you portray. They ask themselves everything from the decisions of management to the affaires of colleagues. Even less fortunate people ask themselves and others the most unexpected questions, and half of them go on to gossip about it.
Holy shit! Way to stand up for the "little people"! I don't know whether to cry or put a gun to my head. Hara, can you help me out here?   ???
I'm not Hara, but I'm pretty sure the gun to the head would be the best course of action in this situation.  You might actually want to try 2 guns.  Actually, lock yourself in a garage with a car running and put 2 guns to your head...that should about cover it....WAIT!!!! do it while hanging yourself over a bed of spikes!!!!!!
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« Reply #81 on: July 15, 2007, 05:20:24 AM »
I have seen children, cleaning ladies, domestic help and other people from the lower levels of our work force at work and they are not the robots with total lack of intelligence and need to inquire everything that you portray. They ask themselves everything from the decisions of management to the affaires of colleagues. Even less fortunate people ask themselves and others the most unexpected questions, and half of them go on to gossip about it.

Ugh, just like Gulliver. Trying to slander my argument with elements of compassion or sympathy doesn't make your argument more valid.

I never said that children, cleaning ladies or the "lower levels of our work force" are robots with a "total lack of intelligence." You guys really need to stop expanding my statements into completely false and imagined things.

I also never said they would never question their superiors' decisions. I said they would be "less likely" to, provided they were young and impressionable. I don't doubt that there would be gossip among the guards.
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« Reply #82 on: July 16, 2007, 12:00:34 AM »
Wrong. They did not need to be in on the conspiracy.

...Because? Or were you just going to assert that they accidentally generated scientifically repeatable experiments that proved the earth's spherical nature?

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Could be a number of reasons for why. For one, they could be told anything regarding a detail in Antarctica. They are not required to be in on the conspiracy.

The problem with that is that then they wouldn't kill/sink any approaching ships, because it would be against the rules of engagement. They have to be both in on the conspiracy and nefarious.

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Wrong again. Governments are not required to be in on the conspiracy, but it's likely a few would know. Space agencies of governments and "private" ones are obviously needed to be involved however.

Wrong. Forget space travel; far more important to the formation of world history is the simple size and shape of the world's oceans. Many, many, many people have been involved in disputes, shipping routes, and wars and battles that depended upon information about the size and shape of the oceans and major seas of the world being accurate. They would all need to be in on the conspiracy or all blissfully unaware of why their estimates keep turning out wrong.

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Not surprised by your stupid assumption.

Those who live in glass houses...

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Why would they never claim to see it? It still doesn't prove anything. You're doing a terrible job so far.

Yeah, a mysterious curvature to the Earth that's only visible at very high altitudes doesn't prove anything. It's just an optical illusion that doesn't work at ground level or even small hills because of the magical leprechauns that refract light back to the dark matter acceleration disk conspiracy.

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Care to share?

We could start with the existence of an entire Universe expanding in every direction, every direction, including what should be "downwards" relative to the theoretical flat earth's acceleration, full of spherical bodies and not a single flat planet.

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Is the sun not round?

It's both round, and ninety-three million miles away.

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As for the stuff I didn't comment on, it was just too stupid to bother.

If you took this attitude towards every bit of every post someone made, we'd all be much happier.

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I'm sure some 18-year old high school drop out that enlisted can tell his exact location by looking at the stars. Not to mention, they can easily be told they are guarding something in Antarctica which wouldn't be that far from the truth. You're not exactly brought up to question your orders in the military.

And as extensive and formidable your personal knowledge of the military and the way it is conducted no doubt is, derived directly from such prestigious sources as watching Full Metal Jacket a half dozen times, you seem to have neglected a few key aspects, such as;

- The personnel needed to oversee and assign and manage these numerous antarctic stations, a task which inherently requires knowing the size and shape of the Earth.

- The shipping for all the materials and supplies needed to maintain these way stations, which requires captains and certain staff on board ships also having said information.

- The possibility that maybe not everyone in the military is as blazingly idiotic as, say, you, and might be able to notice things like days being much longer (but still at a regular rhythm, contrary to our current expectations of conditions around the poles), the increased, rather than decreased, rotation of the stars, the unusual distances and times involved in transportation and travel over what would be expected... I mean, I suppose they could just pick out the stupidest soldiers imaginable, but that seems counter-productive to their goal of keeping this massive conspiracy entirely secure, especially given the extremely sensitive and expensive equipment needed for this continued indefinite operation.

- Where the fuck the money for this entire thing is coming from, anyway.


In short, you're an absolutely terrible skeptic. Please save the job for those with at least a semblance of credibility.


If you consider all that plausible, you really must believe that unicorns are plausible.

Partly a straw man, but other than that, are you denying that there isn't a misconception amongst how the idea of a unicorn appeared?[/quote]

Unicorns, a powerful horse with a single horn- gentle around maidens or children, but capable of savage fury.

Dragons- Serpentine, lizard-like river dwellers of staggering size, power, and viciousness.

Fairies- Mischievious, tiny people that live in trees and can be alternately helpful or malicious.

Ogres- Large, hairy humanoid beings that hate and eat human beings (see also giants and nephilim).

Flat Earth- A belief that, because the Earth appears to be flat, it is flat.

Lots of myths have origins. So what?
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« Reply #83 on: July 16, 2007, 12:34:42 AM »
Better question: "Who really gives a turtle shit?"
My problem with his ideas is that it is a ridiculous thing.

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« Reply #84 on: July 16, 2007, 04:40:24 AM »
Another group for the conspiracy: The media.

You would think that a few people would break their silence over the conspiracy and leak it to the press, but nobody ever has. If they have tried to tell their story, it's never made it's way into the public domain. And quality investigative journals such as the National Enquirer would be all over it like a rash if there was even a hint of a conspiracy.

As for "Why"? Well, there must be something in it for them other than the scoop of the millennium. Major kick-backs from the governments of the world.

I'll never trust the BBC again, the lying bastards.

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« Reply #85 on: July 16, 2007, 04:53:46 AM »
...Because? Or were you just going to assert that they accidentally generated scientifically repeatable experiments that proved the earth's spherical nature?

They didn't do it accidentally. They recorded their experiments and their observations, I don't see what the fuss is.

The problem with that is that then they wouldn't kill/sink any approaching ships, because it would be against the rules of engagement. They have to be both in on the conspiracy and nefarious.

They kill and sink approaching ships? How do you know this?

Wrong. Forget space travel; far more important to the formation of world history is the simple size and shape of the world's oceans. Many, many, many people have been involved in disputes, shipping routes, and wars and battles that depended upon information about the size and shape of the oceans and major seas of the world being accurate. They would all need to be in on the conspiracy or all blissfully unaware of why their estimates keep turning out wrong.

The "shape" of the ocean doesn't have relevance. But clearly it hasn't been inaccurate over all these years. Explain again how these people are in on the conspiracy?

Yeah, a mysterious curvature to the Earth that's only visible at very high altitudes doesn't prove anything. It's just an optical illusion that doesn't work at ground level or even small hills because of the magical leprechauns that refract light back to the dark matter acceleration disk conspiracy.

Another Criss Angel believer?

We could start with the existence of an entire Universe expanding in every direction, every direction, including what should be "downwards" relative to the theoretical flat earth's acceleration, full of spherical bodies and not a single flat planet.

Well, besides that any information about the universe would be tainted if this theory were true, where did I say the universe wasn't expanding?

Speculating about the UA though...who is to say that the Earth isn't some flat portion of rock that was shot upwards from the Big Bang? Given all the facts, clearly unlikely, but so is this flat Earth theory.

And as extensive and formidable your personal knowledge of the military and the way it is conducted no doubt is, derived directly from such prestigious sources as watching Full Metal Jacket a half dozen times, you seem to have neglected a few key aspects, such as;

Never seen that movie, and that isn't my opinion of the military. Convenient of you to think so though.

- The personnel needed to oversee and assign and manage these numerous antarctic stations, a task which inherently requires knowing the size and shape of the Earth.

- The shipping for all the materials and supplies needed to maintain these way stations, which requires captains and certain staff on board ships also having said information.

- The possibility that maybe not everyone in the military is as blazingly idiotic as, say, you, and might be able to notice things like days being much longer (but still at a regular rhythm, contrary to our current expectations of conditions around the poles), the increased, rather than decreased, rotation of the stars, the unusual distances and times involved in transportation and travel over what would be expected... I mean, I suppose they could just pick out the stupidest soldiers imaginable, but that seems counter-productive to their goal of keeping this massive conspiracy entirely secure, especially given the extremely sensitive and expensive equipment needed for this continued indefinite operation.

- Where the fuck the money for this entire thing is coming from, anyway.

This proves that every member of the military is in on the conspiracy? No. A sect of the military, employed by NASA and other members of the conspiracy would suit just fine.

What distances and times do you think they'd notice for travel? Where are they traveling?

Why would the money come from anywhere else? $16B to NASA, and include the other various agencies, I'm sure there is enough to go around.
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« Reply #86 on: July 16, 2007, 06:14:57 AM »
Spaceship One was entirely private and it went up into space, they couldn't have been involved in the conspiracy, and they didn't report back anything strange. A private force in america would surely capitalize on any massive government conspiracy.
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« Reply #87 on: July 16, 2007, 06:48:21 AM »
A private force in america would surely capitalize on any massive government conspiracy.

Capitalize? What would they benefit from revealing a conspiracy?

"Hey, we here at X Company have discovered that NASA and other large players in space exploration have been involved in a conspiracy to make billions of dollars while purporting that the world is a sphere, when it is indeed, flat. Please buy our products."

The media would have a field-day with that. To be wrong about such an assumption would kill any company. They'd have no better shot at revealing the conspiracy than this forum does.
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« Reply #88 on: July 16, 2007, 06:53:35 AM »
Um, you go up to space, take pics, and come back down. Its not terribly hard, and they can easily do it again and again with all the interest they'd get.
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Re: Who's in on the conspiracy? Info for the FAQ
« Reply #89 on: July 16, 2007, 06:56:24 AM »
Um, you go up to space, take pics, and come back down. Its not terribly hard, and they can easily do it again and again with all the interest they'd get.

Again, what would they benefit?
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