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Re: Gravitons... a discussion.
« Reply #60 on: September 06, 2007, 07:10:48 PM »
Quote from: SoNic on September 06, 2007, 07:08:18 PM
Quote from: Gulliver on September 06, 2007, 06:11:51 PM
Wrong, RE does not believe in gravitons.
Since when? Forces without elementary particles? What happen with the wave-particle duality? de Broglie is turning in the grave  ::)
Read. Reference: Wikipedia.
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Re: Gravitons... a discussion.
« Reply #61 on: September 06, 2007, 07:36:58 PM »
Quote from: Gulliver on September 06, 2007, 07:10:48 PM
Quote from: SoNic on September 06, 2007, 07:08:18 PM
Quote from: Gulliver on September 06, 2007, 06:11:51 PM
Wrong, RE does not believe in gravitons.
Since when? Forces without elementary particles? What happen with the wave-particle duality? de Broglie is turning in the grave  ::)
Read. Reference: Wikipedia.
Thank you, I know about Wiki. There it is stated that RE scientists are looking to find them, therefore they belive in their existence.
A, they have some "theoretical problems"... tough luck. Maybe the truth is... there is no gravitation force.
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« Reply #62 on: September 06, 2007, 07:42:27 PM »
Quote from: SoNic on September 06, 2007, 07:08:18 PM
Quote from: Gulliver on September 06, 2007, 06:11:51 PM
Wrong, RE does not believe in gravitons.
Since when? Forces without elementary particles? What happen with the wave-particle duality? de Broglie is turning in the grave  ::)
Great so you, like theengineer, became an engineer without taking upper division physics.

While some people are looking for the "gravition" no one has found one.  The accepted theory is that mass bends spacetime.  Any question?   
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Re: Gravitons... a discussion.
« Reply #63 on: September 06, 2007, 07:47:24 PM »
Quote from: SoNic on September 06, 2007, 07:36:58 PM
Quote from: Gulliver on September 06, 2007, 07:10:48 PM
Quote from: SoNic on September 06, 2007, 07:08:18 PM
Quote from: Gulliver on September 06, 2007, 06:11:51 PM
Wrong, RE does not believe in gravitons.
Since when? Forces without elementary particles? What happen with the wave-particle duality? de Broglie is turning in the grave  ::)
Read. Reference: Wikipedia.
Thank you, I know about Wiki. There it is stated that RE scientists are looking to find them, therefore they belive in their existence.
A, they have some "theoretical problems"... tough luck. Maybe the truth is... there is no gravitation force.
No, you could not have graduated with an engineer degree from an accredited university with the most limited grasp of logic that you exhibit there. No, you do not need to believe in something to look for it. Yes, you can convince yourself that there's gravity by a day's effort in a lab, or even your basement.
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Re: Gravitons... a discussion.
« Reply #64 on: September 06, 2007, 08:40:18 PM »
Quote from: Gulliver on September 06, 2007, 07:47:24 PM
Quote from: SoNic on September 06, 2007, 07:36:58 PM
Quote from: Gulliver on September 06, 2007, 07:10:48 PM
Quote from: SoNic on September 06, 2007, 07:08:18 PM
Quote from: Gulliver on September 06, 2007, 06:11:51 PM
Wrong, RE does not believe in gravitons.
Since when? Forces without elementary particles? What happen with the wave-particle duality? de Broglie is turning in the grave  ::)
Read. Reference: Wikipedia.
Thank you, I know about Wiki. There it is stated that RE scientists are looking to find them, therefore they belive in their existence.
A, they have some "theoretical problems"... tough luck. Maybe the truth is... there is no gravitation force.
No, you could not have graduated with an engineer degree from an accredited university with the most limited grasp of logic that you exhibit there. No, you do not need to believe in something to look for it. Yes, you can convince yourself that there's gravity by a day's effort in a lab, or even your basement. [your skull]

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Re: Gravitons... a discussion.
« Reply #65 on: September 06, 2007, 10:26:51 PM »
I know when I expect to not find something, like the tooth fairy, I go out of my way and time to search for it.
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Re: Gravitons... a discussion.
« Reply #66 on: September 07, 2007, 04:24:07 PM »
Quote from: sokarul on September 06, 2007, 07:42:27 PM
While some people are looking for the "gravition" no one has found one.  The accepted theory is that mass bends spacetime.  Any question?   
Yeah... maybe you can enlighten me how come ALL other forces in RE Universe have associatd particles to carry the interactions, only gravity is "special" - it "bends" the space. Sure looks a lot like magic to me...
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« Reply #67 on: September 07, 2007, 04:30:03 PM »
Quote from: SoNic on September 07, 2007, 04:24:07 PM
Quote from: sokarul on September 06, 2007, 07:42:27 PM
While some people are looking for the "gravition" no one has found one.  The accepted theory is that mass bends spacetime.  Any question?   
Yeah... maybe you can enlighten me how come ALL other forces in RE Universe have associatd particles to carry the interactions, only gravity is "special" - it "bends" the space. Sure looks a lot like magic to me...
There are entire books on the subject. Try Amazon.
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« Reply #68 on: September 07, 2007, 05:17:50 PM »
Quote from: Gulliver on September 07, 2007, 04:30:03 PM
There are entire books on the subject. Try Amazon.
Well there is a book about Flat Earth too... would that be an argument in favor of FE for you?
I gues not, so how can be that an argument for me?
Why you don't say how is the bending of the space more than a metaphore. Wow, it explaines the gravity by a metafor that uses gravity to work...
See, even if the space is "curved" by the mass, there is needed gravity under that bend to atract things "down" on that curvature. Since that is curvature is explaing the existence of gravitation by the means of gravitation... is ilogical.
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« Reply #69 on: September 07, 2007, 05:22:16 PM »
I see stupid people.
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Gulliver

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« Reply #70 on: September 07, 2007, 05:23:31 PM »
Quote from: SoNic on September 07, 2007, 05:17:50 PM
Quote from: Gulliver on September 07, 2007, 04:30:03 PM
There are entire books on the subject. Try Amazon.
Well there is a book about Flat Earth too... would that be an argument in favor of FE for you?
I gues not, so how can be that an argument for me?
I own a copy. I've read it cover to cover. You're asking for education. It's your turn to read.

Quote from: SoNic on September 07, 2007, 04:24:07 PM
Quote from: sokarul on September 06, 2007, 07:42:27 PM
While some people are looking for the "gravition" no one has found one.  The accepted theory is that mass bends spacetime.  Any question?   
Yeah... maybe you can enlighten me how come ALL other forces in RE Universe have associatd particles to carry the interactions, only gravity is "special" - it "bends" the space. Sure looks a lot like magic to me...
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Re: Gravitons... a discussion.
« Reply #71 on: September 07, 2007, 05:28:24 PM »
Quote from: SoNic on September 07, 2007, 05:17:50 PM
Why you don't say how is the bending of the space more than a metaphore. Wow, it explaines the gravity by a metafor that uses gravity to work...
See, even if the space is "curved" by the mass, there is needed gravity under that bend to atract things "down" on that curvature. Since that is curvature is explaing the existence of gravitation by the means of gravitation... is ilogical.
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« Reply #72 on: September 07, 2007, 05:59:00 PM »
Quote from: SoNic on September 07, 2007, 05:28:24 PM
Quote from: SoNic on September 07, 2007, 05:17:50 PM
Why you don't say how is the bending of the space more than a metaphore. Wow, it explaines the gravity by a metafor that uses gravity to work...
See, even if the space is "curved" by the mass, there is needed gravity under that bend to atract things "down" on that curvature. Since that is curvature is explaing the existence of gravitation by the means of gravitation... is ilogical.
Editing your posts, quoting yourself, not spelling worth a darn, and demanding answers from me that I've already pointed you to a book with answers for you ... otherwise, a decent post.

Now if you want me to tell you about GR, just tell me the reasons FEers accept GR. Be sure to include how GR explains the lack of gravity on the surface of the FE.

Now if you want me to explain about classical gravity I can do that, but no better than the book I referenced. Is there a problem with your reading a book?
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Re: Gravitons... a discussion.
« Reply #73 on: September 07, 2007, 06:48:17 PM »
Sorry that I did use a function of those forums (editing) while you was typing...
As for my spelling, I am sure that my english spelling is better than, let's say, your hungarian spelling.
Or any other language that is not your mothers.

As for that book - is explained there how gravitational model is flawed either by missing in action gravitrons or by explaining gravitational force with an analogy using gravitational force as main ingredient (space curvature). If so, I'll read it. If not, is no different than other books that I have read...
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« Reply #74 on: September 07, 2007, 06:55:46 PM »
Quote from: SoNic on September 07, 2007, 06:48:17 PM
Sorry that I did use a function of those forums (editing) while you was typing...
As for my spelling, I am sure that my english spelling is better than, let's say, your hungarian spelling.
Or any other language that is not your mothers.

As for that book - is explained there how gravitational model is flawed either by missing in action gravitrons or by explaining gravitational force with an analogy using gravitational force as main ingredient (space curvature). If so, I'll read it. If not, is no different than other books that I have read...
Then you should read it. By the way, a theory is not flawed when it's incomplete. It's just incomplete.

Yes, there is a form of GR that says gravity bends space-time to change the shortest (that requiring the least energy) path for an object to travel. But again, are you an FEer who believes in GR? If so, why? If not, then why don't we just stick to classical gravity. You seem to have avoided this challenge.

If you wish to post here and criticize others, then I suggest you take the time to check your spelling--unless you wish to appear to be a hypocrite like TheEngineer.

I believe that my spelling in secondary languages is far superior to yours.
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Re: Gravitons... a discussion.
« Reply #75 on: September 07, 2007, 06:59:26 PM »
Quote from: Trekky0623 on September 03, 2007, 10:15:55 PM
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Before I die, i'm gonna turn this into a movie. Tom Cruise would be perfect for the role of the Graviton.


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« Reply #76 on: September 07, 2007, 07:02:06 PM »
Quote from: Gulliver on September 07, 2007, 06:55:46 PM
Yes, there is a form of GR that says gravity bends space-time to change the shortest (that requiring the least energy) path for an object to travel. But again, are you an FEer who believes in GR? If so, why? If not, then why don't we just stick to classical gravity. You seem to have avoided this challenge.
Well, that theory is flawed because that minimal energy path of an object requires gravitation to make sense. Again we are explaining GR with the help of GR?
Otherwise, the shortest path will NOT follow the space curvature but a straight line on a inertial path that require zero energy to follow.
As for the FE theory... a theory is not flawed when it's incomplete. It's just incomplete. :P
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« Reply #77 on: September 07, 2007, 07:13:50 PM »
Quote from: SoNic on September 07, 2007, 07:02:06 PM
Quote from: Gulliver on September 07, 2007, 06:55:46 PM
Yes, there is a form of GR that says gravity bends space-time to change the shortest (that requiring the least energy) path for an object to travel. But again, are you an FEer who believes in GR? If so, why? If not, then why don't we just stick to classical gravity. You seem to have avoided this challenge.
Well, that theory is flawed because that minimal energy path of an object requires gravitation to make sense. Again we are explaining GR with the help of GR?
Otherwise, the shortest path will NOT follow the space curvature but a straight line on a inertial path that require zero energy to follow.
As for the FE theory... a theory is not flawed when it's incomplete. It's just incomplete. :P
No, There was no circular reasoning in my explanation. Do try to pay attention.
No, FE theory is flawed. It contradicts reality.

And again, why are we talking about GR?
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« Reply #78 on: September 07, 2007, 07:17:30 PM »
Quote from: SoNic on September 07, 2007, 07:02:06 PM
Quote from: Gulliver on September 07, 2007, 06:55:46 PM
Yes, there is a form of GR that says gravity bends space-time to change the shortest (that requiring the least energy) path for an object to travel. But again, are you an FEer who believes in GR? If so, why? If not, then why don't we just stick to classical gravity. You seem to have avoided this challenge.
Well, that theory is flawed because that minimal energy path of an object requires gravitation to make sense. Again we are explaining GR with the help of GR?
Otherwise, the shortest path will NOT follow the space curvature but a straight line on a inertial path that require zero energy to follow.
As for the FE theory... a theory is not flawed when it's incomplete. It's just incomplete. :P
Please educate yourself on GR.  
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« Reply #79 on: September 07, 2007, 08:00:22 PM »
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« Reply #80 on: September 08, 2007, 02:45:39 AM »
Quote from: Gulliver on September 07, 2007, 06:55:46 PM


I believe that my spelling in secondary languages is far superior to yours.

Prove it
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« Reply #81 on: September 08, 2007, 12:14:49 PM »
Quote from: General Swiss Army Penis on September 08, 2007, 02:45:39 AM
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I believe that my spelling in secondary languages is far superior to yours.

Prove it
And just how does one "prove" a belief?
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« Reply #82 on: September 08, 2007, 12:42:23 PM »
Quote from: Gulliver on September 08, 2007, 12:14:49 PM
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I believe that my spelling in secondary languages is far superior to yours.

Prove it
And just how does one "prove" a belief?

Same way you prove the existence of purely theoretical matter.  Show a picture!   ;D
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« Reply #83 on: September 08, 2007, 01:35:07 PM »
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I believe that my spelling in secondary languages is far superior to yours.

Prove it
And just how does one "prove" a belief?

Same way you prove the existence of purely theoretical matter.  Show a picture!   ;D
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« Reply #84 on: September 08, 2007, 03:27:53 PM »
Start typing in a secondary language...duh
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« Reply #85 on: September 08, 2007, 03:39:10 PM »
Quote from: General Swiss Army Penis on September 08, 2007, 03:27:53 PM
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« Reply #86 on: September 08, 2007, 03:43:53 PM »
A real language
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« Reply #87 on: September 08, 2007, 03:46:41 PM »
Quote from: General Swiss Army Penis on September 08, 2007, 03:27:53 PM
Start typing in a secondary language...duh
You asked to prove my belief, not my spelling. Do make up your mind?
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« Reply #88 on: September 08, 2007, 03:48:52 PM »
I didn't ask to prove your belief, I asked you to prove your spelling, learn to read!
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« Reply #89 on: September 08, 2007, 03:53:24 PM »
Quote from: General Swiss Army Penis on September 08, 2007, 03:48:52 PM
I didn't ask to prove your belief, I asked you to prove your spelling, learn to read!
I said, "I believe that ...". You said, "Prove it." When you're done with remedial reading, move right into punctuation. You might know that periods separate sentences by next year at this time.
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