Weather forecasting.

Quote from: CommonCents on July 15, 2007, 04:13:31 PM

Are you saying that one satellite at a very high altitude can give data on the whole world?  Sounds like FE talk to me...

Quote from: rentacow on July 15, 2007, 04:30:32 PM

Wow, you don't know anything about space flight do you. A satellite in geostationary orbit can stay over a fixed point on earth indefinitely. There is plenty of room up there for more than ONE satellite.

Wow, I can read just fine, so STFU.

I asked if it's true that something at a very high altitude can look at the entire world at the same time.

Depends on the altitude of the satellite. 

That's what sokarul said.  I'm pointing out that in the RE a satellite at very high altitude could NOT give data on the whole Earth.

Wow, learn to read.

^Agree^

sokarul was posting in regards to this:

2) Balloons and rockets only provide local data.

Quote from: TheEngineer on July 15, 2007, 10:39:40 AM

And satellites...don't?

Quote from: sokarul on July 15, 2007, 01:25:05 PM

Depends on the altitude of the satellite. 

Either way, everything that satellites do can be replicated by other technology.

sokarul was posting in regards to this:

Quote from: rentacow on July 15, 2007, 10:25:56 AM

2) Balloons and rockets only provide local data.

Quote from: TheEngineer on July 15, 2007, 10:39:40 AM

And satellites...don't?

Quote from: sokarul on July 15, 2007, 01:25:05 PM

Depends on the altitude of the satellite. 

Either way, everything that satellites do can be replicated by other technology.

Except perpetual flight, but your point still remains.

Quote from: divito on July 16, 2007, 06:51:52 AM

sokarul was posting in regards to this:

Quote from: rentacow on July 15, 2007, 10:25:56 AM

2) Balloons and rockets only provide local data.

Quote from: TheEngineer on July 15, 2007, 10:39:40 AM

And satellites...don't?

Quote from: sokarul on July 15, 2007, 01:25:05 PM

Depends on the altitude of the satellite. 

Either way, everything that satellites do can be replicated by other technology.

Except perpetual flight, but your point still remains.

Perpetual flight? I was under the impression that RE theorists believe that the orbit of these “satellites” ultimately decays and hence they come crashing down to earth. Of course, this would only apply to the so-called “low-earth” orbit satellites. Perhaps you have information indicating that ALL weather satellites are in high-earth orbit. Since it’s unlikely they exist at all, I suppose this would not be a stretch.

Why in the hell would a RE'er imply a single satellite could provide coverage on the whole earth? And that is assuming the satellite is in a geosynchronous orbit. It COULD cover the whole planet if it were orbiting, but not in a single instant. You are fucking stupid if you think I meant ONE satellite can cover the whole planet from geosynchronous orbit. Quit acting like you're in 6th grade.

You are fucking stupid if you think I meant ONE satellite can cover the whole planet from geosynchronous orbit.

Then why did you make that assumption about pseudolites?

I didn't. You mentioned weather balloons, which only last for a few hours at a time. It makes no difference how many weather balloons are in the air at a time.

And for the record:

Hmmm... Getting data on clouds, humidity, pressure zones, fronts, green house gases (UV exposure, volcanoes, etc...), flood zones, polar ice caps and sea levels to name a few. I don't see how a non controllable weather balloon can proved hemisphere wide coverage at only 60,000 feet, in real-time 24/7. Especially since you would need to launch a fleet of new ones every other week.

I said nothing of weather balloons.

Weather balloons were mentioned, but regarding satellites:

1) That isn't 24/7 coverage.
2) Balloons and rockets only provide local data.

Quote from: sokarul on July 15, 2007, 01:25:05 PM

Quote from: TheEngineer on July 15, 2007, 10:39:40 AM

And satellites...don't?

Depends on the altitude of the satellite. 

Are you saying that one satellite at a very high altitude can give data on the whole world?  Sounds like FE talk to me...

Check the thread for yourself if you want, but that's what was said.  Makes you sound a little...off, eh?

I said nothing of weather balloons.

Oh, I forgot, you like word games. Let's see, I said weather balloons can't provide hemispherical coverage at 60,000 feet. CommonCents asked if satellites can provide full global coverage, which is a dumb question. I pointed out the stupidity of the question, in that more than one satellite is used. You (TheEngineer) asked me why I made the assumption that a single pseudollite COULD provide global coverage. I reminded you that 1) I never said anything about pseudollites 2) I never implied only a single weather balloon is used.

Quote from: TheEngineer on July 16, 2007, 07:53:08 PM

I said nothing of weather balloons.

Oh, I forgot, you like word games. Let's see, I said weather balloons can't provide hemispherical coverage at 60,000 feet. CommonCents asked if satellites can provide full global coverage, which is a dumb question. I pointed out the stupidity of the question, in that more than one satellite is used. You (TheEngineer) asked me why I made the assumption that a single pseudollite COULD provide global coverage. I reminded you that 1) I never said anything about pseudollites 2) I never implied only a single weather balloon is used.

Read my previous post.  Read the thread.  Nothing I said was stupid.  I quoted people for a reason, I mentioned people for a reason.

Quote from: sokarul on July 15, 2007, 01:25:05 PM

Quote from: TheEngineer on July 15, 2007, 10:39:40 AM

And satellites...don't?

Depends on the altitude of the satellite. 

Are you saying that one satellite at a very high altitude can give data on the whole world?  Sounds like FE talk to me...

Would you care to explain to us the reason one satellite in a orbit over both poles with an altitude such that it completes one orbit every 17 hours could not provide data on the whole world? Could you tell us the reason this sounds like FE talk to you?

The entire world at once, TomG, please learn to read.

You can't say shit about not knowing how to read, so fuck off.

1) I never said anything about pseudollites.
2) I never implied only a single weather balloon is used.

1) I never said anything about pseudollites.

You said something about weather balloons performing the functions of a satellite.  Therefore, you mentioned pseudolites.

The entire world at once, TomG, please learn to read.

Perhaps, you'd be so kind as to highlight the text where CommonCents says "at once" in the quote below? Or maybe it's you that needs to learn to read?

Quote from: CommonCents on July 15, 2007, 04:13:31 PM

Quote from: sokarul on July 15, 2007, 01:25:05 PM

Quote from: TheEngineer on July 15, 2007, 10:39:40 AM

And satellites...don't?

Depends on the altitude of the satellite. 

Are you saying that one satellite at a very high altitude can give data on the whole world?  Sounds like FE talk to me...

Would you care to explain to us the reason one satellite in a orbit over both poles with an altitude such that it completes one orbit every 17 hours could not provide data on the whole world? Could you tell us the reason this sounds like FE talk to you?

Quote from: rentacow on July 16, 2007, 09:48:30 PM

1) I never said anything about pseudollites.

You said something about weather balloons performing the functions of a satellite.  Therefore, you mentioned pseudolites.

A weather balloon is not a pseudollite. Go ahead and ask a meteorologist before you say otherwise.

Quote from: CommonCents on July 15, 2007, 04:13:31 PM

Quote from: sokarul on July 15, 2007, 01:25:05 PM

Quote from: TheEngineer on July 15, 2007, 10:39:40 AM

And satellites...don't?

Depends on the altitude of the satellite. 

Are you saying that one satellite at a very high altitude can give data on the whole world?  Sounds like FE talk to me...

Would you care to explain to us the reason one satellite in a orbit over both poles with an altitude such that it completes one orbit every 17 hours could not provide data on the whole world? Could you tell us the reason this sounds like FE talk to you?

Since the first part is extremely obvious, I won't even bother answering it.  It sounds like FE talk because on a flat Earth one could, theoretically, climb to a sufficient altitude to study the whole Earth.  That is impossible on a round Earth, however.

Quote from: TheEngineer on July 16, 2007, 09:36:06 PM

The entire world at once, TomG, please learn to read.

Perhaps, you'd be so kind as to highlight the text where CommonCents says "at once" in the quote below? Or maybe it's you that needs to learn to read?

Quote from: Gulliver on July 16, 2007, 09:34:47 PM

Quote from: CommonCents on July 15, 2007, 04:13:31 PM

Quote from: sokarul on July 15, 2007, 01:25:05 PM

Quote from: TheEngineer on July 15, 2007, 10:39:40 AM

And satellites...don't?

Depends on the altitude of the satellite. 

Are you saying that one satellite at a very high altitude can give data on the whole world?  Sounds like FE talk to me...

Would you care to explain to us the reason one satellite in a orbit over both poles with an altitude such that it completes one orbit every 17 hours could not provide data on the whole world? Could you tell us the reason this sounds like FE talk to you?

Rofl, read the quotes:


24/7 coverage
not only local data

That sounds like "at once" to me.

Quote from: Gulliver on July 16, 2007, 09:56:24 PM

Quote from: TheEngineer on July 16, 2007, 09:36:06 PM

The entire world at once, TomG, please learn to read.

Perhaps, you'd be so kind as to highlight the text where CommonCents says "at once" in the quote below? Or maybe it's you that needs to learn to read?

Quote from: Gulliver on July 16, 2007, 09:34:47 PM

Quote from: CommonCents on July 15, 2007, 04:13:31 PM

Quote from: sokarul on July 15, 2007, 01:25:05 PM

Quote from: TheEngineer on July 15, 2007, 10:39:40 AM

And satellites...don't?

Depends on the altitude of the satellite. 

Are you saying that one satellite at a very high altitude can give data on the whole world?  Sounds like FE talk to me...

Would you care to explain to us the reason one satellite in a orbit over both poles with an altitude such that it completes one orbit every 17 hours could not provide data on the whole world? Could you tell us the reason this sounds like FE talk to you?

Rofl, read the quotes:


24/7 coverage
not only local data

That sounds like "at once" to me.

Your question is your question--as written. Dodging your own stupid error doesn't help the FE cause.

Weather balloons were mentioned, but regarding satellites:

Quote from: rentacow on July 15, 2007, 10:25:56 AM

1) That isn't 24/7 coverage.
2) Balloons and rockets only provide local data.

Quote from: CommonCents on July 15, 2007, 04:13:31 PM

Quote from: sokarul on July 15, 2007, 01:25:05 PM

Quote from: TheEngineer on July 15, 2007, 10:39:40 AM

And satellites...don't?

Depends on the altitude of the satellite. 

Are you saying that one satellite at a very high altitude can give data on the whole world?  Sounds like FE talk to me...

Check the thread for yourself if you want, but that's what was said.  Makes you sound a little...off, eh?

EDIT:  If you truly can't see what's going on there, you just might be the dumbest person I've talked or typed to.

Quote from: CommonCents on July 16, 2007, 08:33:24 PM

Weather balloons were mentioned, but regarding satellites:

Quote from: rentacow on July 15, 2007, 10:25:56 AM

1) That isn't 24/7 coverage.
2) Balloons and rockets only provide local data.

Quote from: CommonCents on July 15, 2007, 04:13:31 PM

Quote from: sokarul on July 15, 2007, 01:25:05 PM

Quote from: TheEngineer on July 15, 2007, 10:39:40 AM

And satellites...don't?

Depends on the altitude of the satellite. 

Are you saying that one satellite at a very high altitude can give data on the whole world?  Sounds like FE talk to me...

Check the thread for yourself if you want, but that's what was said.  Makes you sound a little...off, eh?

EDIT:  If you truly can't see what's going on there, you just might be the dumbest person I've talked or typed to.

If you believe that you didn't ask a stupid question, then you need to think long and hard about your opinion of yourself. Bullet 1 and 2 stand independent of each other. Furthermore, the satellite in polar orbit that I described could provide data 24/7. Altitude is an important part of satellite positioning, in large part determining, for example, the orbital period and the resonance over the surface of the spinning Earth. That's leaves you with no excuses for your error. Please try not to break the mirror.

Quote from: CommonCents on July 16, 2007, 08:33:24 PM

Weather balloons were mentioned, but regarding satellites:

Quote from: rentacow on July 15, 2007, 10:25:56 AM

1) That isn't 24/7 coverage.
2) Balloons and rockets only provide local data.

Quote from: CommonCents on July 15, 2007, 04:13:31 PM

Quote from: sokarul on July 15, 2007, 01:25:05 PM

Quote from: TheEngineer on July 15, 2007, 10:39:40 AM

And satellites...don't?

Depends on the altitude of the satellite. 

Are you saying that one satellite at a very high altitude can give data on the whole world?  Sounds like FE talk to me...

Check the thread for yourself if you want, but that's what was said.  Makes you sound a little...off, eh?

EDIT:  If you truly can't see what's going on there, you just might be the dumbest person I've talked or typed to.

What are you bolding what I said for? 
The engineer is trying to claim that satellites can only provide local data.  That is not even close to true.

The engineer is trying to claim that satellites can only provide local data.  That is not even close to true.

So a satellite can cover the entire world at once?

Quote from: sokarul on July 16, 2007, 10:30:45 PM

The engineer is trying to claim that satellites can only provide local data.  That is not even close to true.

So a satellite can cover the entire world at once?

Not in real-time, at least to my knowledge. Of course, your question doesn't address sokarul's point, but you knew that. Oh, and I seem to recall that "local" to you is "a point", right?

Quote from: sokarul on July 16, 2007, 10:30:45 PM

The engineer is trying to claim that satellites can only provide local data.  That is not even close to true.

So a satellite can cover the entire world at once?

Ok
Local=Denver.  Maybe even Colorado
Not local=United States. 
Any questions? 
BTW the United states has more than one satellite. 

But they can't have more than one pseudolite?

But they can't have more than one pseudolite?

They can have many. But they cant do what satellites do.  Weather balloons aren’t even pseudolite.  One high orbiting satellite could do the work of over a couple thousand pseudolites.   

Quote from: TheEngineer on July 16, 2007, 10:34:17 PM

Quote from: sokarul on July 16, 2007, 10:30:45 PM

The engineer is trying to claim that satellites can only provide local data.  That is not even close to true.

So a satellite can cover the entire world at once?

Ok
Local=Denver.  Maybe even Colorado
Not local=United States. 
Any questions? 
BTW the United states has more than one satellite. 

Based on my conversations with RE theorists, it would not be difficult to put a satellite into a high enough orbit to easily cover the United States. Are you saying this is not true?

Quote from: sokarul on July 16, 2007, 10:41:04 PM

Quote from: TheEngineer on July 16, 2007, 10:34:17 PM

Quote from: sokarul on July 16, 2007, 10:30:45 PM

The engineer is trying to claim that satellites can only provide local data.  That is not even close to true.

So a satellite can cover the entire world at once?

Ok
Local=Denver.  Maybe even Colorado
Not local=United States. 
Any questions? 
BTW the United states has more than one satellite. 

Based on my conversations with RE theorists, it would not be difficult to put a satellite into a high enough orbit to easily cover the United States. Are you saying this is not true?

No, I'm saying the engineer can't comprehend that idea.