Weather forecasting.

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Re: Weather forecasting.
« Reply #180 on: July 23, 2007, 06:16:40 AM »
I stand on the earth. I'm held to the earth. I throw a ball up. the ball comes bak down. Something applied a forse on the ball to make it stop moving up, then start moving down.

Sounds like a forse to me.

In Euclidean Geometry, yes, a force is needed.

In GR, no, no force is needed.
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Re: Weather forecasting.
« Reply #181 on: July 23, 2007, 09:19:54 AM »
I stand on the earth. I'm held to the earth. I throw a ball up. the ball comes bak down. Something applied a forse on the ball to make it stop moving up, then start moving down.

Sounds like a forse to me.
You believe yourself to be an inertial frame of reference, you are not.  Therefore, Newton's laws don't apply.


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Re: Weather forecasting.
« Reply #182 on: July 23, 2007, 01:20:17 PM »
But the ball stopped, then reversed. An objekt in motion will... Sounds Newtonian to me.

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Re: Weather forecasting.
« Reply #183 on: July 23, 2007, 01:28:10 PM »
But the ball stopped, then reversed. An objekt in motion will... Sounds Newtonian to me.

The ball's motion goes against the bending of spacetime when you throw it up.  It fights the curvature until it runs out of energy (at the highest point) at which point it follows the curvature back 'down' to Earth.  No 'gravity' force needed.
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Re: Weather forecasting.
« Reply #184 on: July 23, 2007, 01:50:55 PM »
And what is the bent spase-time doing to the ball?
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Re: Weather forecasting.
« Reply #185 on: July 23, 2007, 01:52:53 PM »
Space and time bend towards the mass of the Earth.

Movement through time is movement in spacetime.

The ball's movement in time as part of the bent spacetime draws it towards the Earth.
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Re: Weather forecasting.
« Reply #186 on: July 23, 2007, 01:57:32 PM »
Sooo... The ball turns around bekause it is moving through spase and time?

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Re: Weather forecasting.
« Reply #187 on: July 23, 2007, 02:02:52 PM »
Exactly, no force is needed, just the curvature of spacetime!  That's why gravity doesn't exist as a force in GR.
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Re: Weather forecasting.
« Reply #188 on: July 23, 2007, 02:07:47 PM »
Then it's just a random event? The ball follows spase-time... Then turns around.

What is your reasoning for this?

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Re: Weather forecasting.
« Reply #189 on: July 23, 2007, 02:10:40 PM »
No, the ball goes against the curvature of spacetime when you throw it.  The curvature of spacetime acts against the ball similarly as a force would.  The ball slows down (in space not spacetime), eventually stops(in space, not spacetime), and follows the curvature back to Earth.
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Re: Weather forecasting.
« Reply #190 on: July 23, 2007, 02:32:54 PM »
Something applied a forse on the ball to make it stop moving up, then start moving down.

Or a forse on you.

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Re: Weather forecasting.
« Reply #191 on: July 23, 2007, 02:55:28 PM »
But the ball stopped, then reversed. An objekt in motion will... Sounds Newtonian to me.
Except you are in a non inertial frame of reference, so objects will seem to disobey Newton, but as you believe you are in an inertial FoR, you introduce fake forces, as in 'gravity'.


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Re: Weather forecasting.
« Reply #192 on: July 23, 2007, 05:23:27 PM »
No, the ball goes against the curvature of spacetime when you throw it.  The curvature of spacetime acts against the ball similarly as a force would.  The ball slows down (in space not spacetime), eventually stops(in space, not spacetime), and follows the curvature back to Earth.
But I thought something that akts on an objekt is a fose...