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Dougms

A few quick questions
« on: July 08, 2007, 11:58:07 AM »
1. We are floating in "space" and the earth is rushing "up" to meet us, right?

2. Two different objects, a piece of paper, and a rock fall at different speeds, correct?

3. If they are 'floating' and earth is rushing up to meet them, then why do they meet the planet at a different time?

4. As an object falls, it increases in speed, 32 feet per second squared. how does an object increase in speed if the planet does not?
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Roundy the Truthinessist

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Re: A few quick questions
« Reply #1 on: July 08, 2007, 12:07:22 PM »
1. yes
2. i'm following...
3. same as RE (air resistance, genius  ::) )
4. It does (look up "acceleration")
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Dougms

Re: A few quick questions
« Reply #2 on: July 08, 2007, 12:17:10 PM »
Quote from: Roundy is Neutral on July 08, 2007, 12:07:22 PM
1. yes
2. i'm following...
3. same as RE (air resistance, genius  ::) )
4. It does (look up "acceleration")

4. ahh, so we are rushing up at an increasing rate, got it.

3. you still didn't explain this one air resistance is impossible if we are floating in space and earth is rushing up at us.
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Re: A few quick questions
« Reply #3 on: July 08, 2007, 12:33:04 PM »
Quote from: Dougms on July 08, 2007, 11:58:07 AM
1. We are floating in "space" and the earth is rushing "up" to meet us, right?

2. Two different objects, a piece of paper, and a rock fall at different speeds, correct?

3. If they are 'floating' and earth is rushing up to meet them, then why do they meet the planet at a different time?

4. As an object falls, it increases in speed, 32 feet per second squared. how does an object increase in speed if the planet does not?
Welcome. You've asked some good questions.
1. No. (Roundy is imprecise.) Most of us are pinned to the Earth by the acceleration, in FE.
2. In a vacuum, no. In air, yes. You'll find that the acceleration vice gravity produces the same primary, but not secondary, effects. Please reference the RE Primer for details.
3. See answer in 2.
4. You now understand this. The FE is accelerating up and increasing in speed as well.
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Re: A few quick questions
« Reply #4 on: July 08, 2007, 12:37:44 PM »
Quote from: Dougms on July 08, 2007, 11:58:07 AM
1. We are floating in "space" and the earth is rushing "up" to meet us, right?

The Earth can't move.

2. Two different objects, a piece of paper, and a rock fall at different speeds, correct?

Nobody knows.

3. If they are 'floating' and earth is rushing up to meet them, then why do they meet the planet at a different time?

Because the Earth does not move, so that is a lie.

4. As an object falls, it increases in speed, 32 feet per second squared. how does an object increase in speed if the planet does not?

Space is just a big fairy tale.

My replies are bolded.
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Dougms

Re: A few quick questions
« Reply #5 on: July 08, 2007, 12:38:35 PM »
the two objects, no matter what they be,  are not moving. it is the earth that is.

so how does a gap open up between a rock and a piece of paper, if the planet is rushing up to meet them at the same speed?
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Re: A few quick questions
« Reply #6 on: July 08, 2007, 12:39:43 PM »
Quote from: DanielPZC on July 08, 2007, 12:37:44 PM
Quote from: Dougms on July 08, 2007, 11:58:07 AM
1. We are floating in "space" and the earth is rushing "up" to meet us, right?

The Earth can't move.

2. Two different objects, a piece of paper, and a rock fall at different speeds, correct?

Nobody knows.

3. If they are 'floating' and earth is rushing up to meet them, then why do they meet the planet at a different time?

Because the Earth does not move, so that is a lie.

4. As an object falls, it increases in speed, 32 feet per second squared. how does an object increase in speed if the planet does not?

Space is just a big fairy tale.

My replies are bolded.
DanielPCZ is just a freakish troll. You'd do well to ignore him altogether.
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Dougms

Re: A few quick questions
« Reply #7 on: July 08, 2007, 12:46:45 PM »

I noticed, thank you daniel, you just cleared that up for me. thanks.
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Re: A few quick questions
« Reply #8 on: July 08, 2007, 01:36:36 PM »
Quote from: Dougms on July 08, 2007, 12:38:35 PM
so how does a gap open up between a rock and a piece of paper, if the planet is rushing up to meet them at the same speed?

Uhhm, it's already been said, air resistance.
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Skeptical ATM

Re: A few quick questions
« Reply #9 on: July 08, 2007, 01:45:35 PM »
1) In overly simple terms yes
2) Same as in RE
3) Ditto
4) The UA perpetually accelerates.
5) Dan is a troll stirring, please ignore him.

Please note I am not an FEer. I simply acknowledge that these arguements (just about) work just as well as the RE answers to your questions.
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Re: A few quick questions
« Reply #10 on: July 08, 2007, 01:57:08 PM »
Quote from: Dougms on July 08, 2007, 12:46:45 PM

I noticed, thank you daniel, you just cleared that up for me. thanks.

It's no problem really, I am just glad I am helping others understand how the Earth works. Thank you though for reading.
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Re: A few quick questions
« Reply #11 on: July 08, 2007, 02:07:37 PM »
^^ How innocent he seems.
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Re: A few quick questions
« Reply #12 on: July 08, 2007, 02:10:26 PM »
Quote from: DanielPZC on July 08, 2007, 01:57:08 PM
Quote from: Dougms on July 08, 2007, 12:46:45 PM

I noticed, thank you daniel, you just cleared that up for me. thanks.

It's no problem really, I am just glad I am helping others understand how the Earth works. Thank you though for reading.
Thank you for telling me that Dan. I thought space was real this whole time.
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Re: A few quick questions
« Reply #13 on: July 09, 2007, 01:17:39 AM »
Its not real? But I wanted to be a space cowboy :(
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Re: A few quick questions
« Reply #14 on: July 09, 2007, 01:50:26 AM »
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Re: A few quick questions
« Reply #15 on: July 09, 2007, 02:51:01 AM »
Quote from: Dougms on July 08, 2007, 11:58:07 AM
1. We are floating in "space" and the earth is rushing "up" to meet us, right?

2. Two different objects, a piece of paper, and a rock fall at different speeds, correct?

3. If they are 'floating' and earth is rushing up to meet them, then why do they meet the planet at a different time?

4. As an object falls, it increases in speed, 32 feet per second squared. how does an object increase in speed if the planet does not?

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Re: A few quick questions
« Reply #16 on: July 09, 2007, 10:29:23 AM »
Quote from: Dougms on July 08, 2007, 12:38:35 PM
the two objects, no matter what they be,  are not moving. it is the earth that is.

so how does a gap open up between a rock and a piece of paper, if the planet is rushing up to meet them at the same speed?

People keep saying "Air resistance" as if this completely solves the problem, but I see that what you're saying is if the paper is stationary and not moving then how could it's movement be slowed by the air?  The Earth accelerating up pushes the air into the piece of paper which has a larger surface area for its mass and catches that upward moving air, which would cause it to take longer for the impact with Earth.
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Re: A few quick questions
« Reply #17 on: July 09, 2007, 10:43:40 AM »
Quote from: CommonCents on July 09, 2007, 10:29:23 AM
Quote from: Dougms on July 08, 2007, 12:38:35 PM
the two objects, no matter what they be,  are not moving. it is the earth that is.

so how does a gap open up between a rock and a piece of paper, if the planet is rushing up to meet them at the same speed?
People keep saying "Air resistance" as if this completely solves the problem, but I see that what you're saying is if the paper is stationary and not moving then how could it's movement be slowed by the air?  The Earth accelerating up pushes the air into the piece of paper which has a larger surface area for its mass and catches that upward moving air, which would cause it to take longer for the impact with Earth.
FE is fine on this one. In FE, the Earth pushes the atmolayer ahead of it, pushing it past "falling" objects and slowing their "descent". For another perspective,  in FE, the atmolayer pushes the paper away more than it pushes the rock away, so it catches up to the rock sooner.
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Re: A few quick questions
« Reply #18 on: July 09, 2007, 11:17:09 AM »
Quote from: Gulliver on July 09, 2007, 10:43:40 AM
Quote from: CommonCents on July 09, 2007, 10:29:23 AM
Quote from: Dougms on July 08, 2007, 12:38:35 PM
the two objects, no matter what they be,  are not moving. it is the earth that is.

so how does a gap open up between a rock and a piece of paper, if the planet is rushing up to meet them at the same speed?
People keep saying "Air resistance" as if this completely solves the problem, but I see that what you're saying is if the paper is stationary and not moving then how could it's movement be slowed by the air?  The Earth accelerating up pushes the air into the piece of paper which has a larger surface area for its mass and catches that upward moving air, which would cause it to take longer for the impact with Earth.
FE is fine on this one. In FE, the Earth pushes the atmolayer ahead of it, pushing it past "falling" objects and slowing their "descent". For another perspective,  in FE, the atmolayer pushes the paper away more than it pushes the rock away, so it catches up to the rock sooner.

ZOMG, thanks for repeating me!
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Re: A few quick questions
« Reply #19 on: July 10, 2007, 03:21:37 PM »
Quote from: Roundy is Neutral on July 08, 2007, 12:07:22 PM
1. yes
2. i'm following...
3. same as RE (air resistance, genius  ::) )
4. It does (look up "acceleration")

Actualy you should look up acceleration or better yet I will.

"The act of accelerating.
The process of being accelerated.
(Abbr. a) Physics. The rate of change of velocity with respect to time."

If we were accelerating we would notice that things would keep falling down or being hit by Earth quicker and quicker and quicker.
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Re: A few quick questions
« Reply #20 on: July 10, 2007, 03:22:54 PM »
Did you read the FAQ?  ;D
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Re: A few quick questions
« Reply #21 on: July 10, 2007, 03:24:20 PM »
Quote from: Roundy is Neutral on July 10, 2007, 03:22:54 PM
Did you read the FAQ?  ;D
did you read it?
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Re: A few quick questions
« Reply #22 on: July 10, 2007, 03:27:02 PM »
Actually Roundy read it. It makes no sense at all.
Or it makes no sense to me. Please make it clearer because I sure as heck don't understand it.
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Re: A few quick questions
« Reply #23 on: July 10, 2007, 03:28:21 PM »
Quote from: semperround on July 10, 2007, 03:24:20 PM
Quote from: Roundy is Neutral on July 10, 2007, 03:22:54 PM
Did you read the FAQ?  ;D
did you read it?

Yes.  It's the FE position that the earth is constantly accelerating upward, as stated in the FAQ.  And many REers who know a lot more about physics than I do have said that this would (more or less) produce the same effect as gravity.  :-\
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Re: A few quick questions
« Reply #24 on: July 10, 2007, 03:30:32 PM »
Quote from: Roundy is Neutral on July 10, 2007, 03:28:21 PM
Quote from: semperround on July 10, 2007, 03:24:20 PM
Quote from: Roundy is Neutral on July 10, 2007, 03:22:54 PM
Did you read the FAQ?  ;D
did you read it?

Yes.  It's the FE position that the earth is constantly accelerating upward, as stated in the FAQ.  And many REers who know a lot more about physics than I do have said that this would (more or less) produce the same effect as gravity.  :-\
Just to clarify: It would produce the same primary, but not secondary, effects of gravity. Rotational and tidal forces are examples of forces that FE does not account for.
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Re: A few quick questions
« Reply #25 on: July 10, 2007, 03:31:05 PM »
Quote from: Roundy is Neutral on July 10, 2007, 03:28:21 PM
Quote from: semperround on July 10, 2007, 03:24:20 PM
Quote from: Roundy is Neutral on July 10, 2007, 03:22:54 PM
Did you read the FAQ?  ;D
did you read it?

Yes.  It's the FE position that the earth is constantly accelerating upward, as stated in the FAQ.  And many REers who know a lot more about physics than I do have said that this would (more or less) produce the same effect as gravity.  :-\
so, in the end, you're just taking somebody's word for it.
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Re: A few quick questions
« Reply #26 on: July 10, 2007, 03:32:01 PM »
Quote from: Gulliver on July 10, 2007, 03:30:32 PM
Quote from: Roundy is Neutral on July 10, 2007, 03:28:21 PM
Quote from: semperround on July 10, 2007, 03:24:20 PM
Quote from: Roundy is Neutral on July 10, 2007, 03:22:54 PM
Did you read the FAQ?  ;D
did you read it?

Yes.  It's the FE position that the earth is constantly accelerating upward, as stated in the FAQ.  And many REers who know a lot more about physics than I do have said that this would (more or less) produce the same effect as gravity.  :-\
Just to clarify: It would produce the same primary, but not secondary, effects of gravity. Rotational and tidal forces are examples of forces that FE does not account for.
gravataional micro lensing?
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Re: A few quick questions
« Reply #27 on: July 10, 2007, 03:32:34 PM »
Quote from: semperround on July 10, 2007, 03:31:05 PM
Quote from: Roundy is Neutral on July 10, 2007, 03:28:21 PM
Quote from: semperround on July 10, 2007, 03:24:20 PM
Quote from: Roundy is Neutral on July 10, 2007, 03:22:54 PM
Did you read the FAQ?  ;D
did you read it?

Yes.  It's the FE position that the earth is constantly accelerating upward, as stated in the FAQ.  And many REers who know a lot more about physics than I do have said that this would (more or less) produce the same effect as gravity.  :-\
so, in the end, you're just taking somebody's word for it.
Well, yeah.  I simply don't have the expertise to form my own opinion.  But from what they've posted it makes sense to me; perhaps you should try a search.
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The Almighty Poop!

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Re: A few quick questions
« Reply #28 on: July 10, 2007, 03:32:38 PM »
But how would that work. It wouldn't. It wouldn't because if it's continuesly accelerating upward then a plane would come down. Also would other planets be accelerating with us? Literally if they think they know physics they should revise a little because everything in the air would slowly go down like planes air balloons etc.
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Re: A few quick questions
« Reply #29 on: July 10, 2007, 03:33:36 PM »
Quote from: The Almighty Poop! on July 10, 2007, 03:32:38 PM
But how would that work. It wouldn't. It wouldn't because if it's continuesly accelerating upward then a plane would come down. Also would other planets be accelerating with us? Literally if they think they know physics they should revise a little because everything in the air would slowly go down like planes air balloons etc.

planes crash from gravity too.
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