Crazy UFO sighting- what the hell is going on?

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Crazy UFO sighting- what the hell is going on?
« on: June 28, 2007, 12:43:49 PM »
Apparently there has been a rash of UFO sightings at Big Basin in California. Now normally I write this sort of thing off as weather effects, camera artifacts, hoaxers, or perhaps a misidentification of man-made aircraft. However, accompanying this rash of sighting has been not just photos, but exceptionally clear, detailed photos, from multiple sources (I believe four separate sightings with photos so far). These are obviously not man-made, and obviously not tricks of the weather or cameras. It could certainly be a hoax, but if so it must be a large one, involving a large number of people. It might be that it is one person under different assumed names posting these pictures, but some of these people appear to be well known on the communities to which the photos were posted, such as Flickr. Does anyone have any idea what in the hell is going on? Here are links to some of the photos:

http://ufocasebook.conforums.com/index.cgi?board=reports&action=display&num=1179108769
http://www.ufocasebook.com/bigbasin.html

And a blog with a bit of background on this:

http://www.ufo-blog.com/ufo-blog/2007/06/add-big-basin-to-wave-of-californian.html
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Re: Crazy UFO sighting- what the hell is going on?
« Reply #1 on: June 28, 2007, 01:03:25 PM »
Apparently there has been a rash of UFO sightings at Big Basin in California. Now normally I write this sort of thing off as weather effects, camera artifacts, hoaxers, or perhaps a misidentification of man-made aircraft. However, accompanying this rash of sighting has been not just photos, but exceptionally clear, detailed photos, from multiple sources (I believe four separate sightings with photos so far). These are obviously not man-made, and obviously not tricks of the weather or cameras. It could certainly be a hoax, but if so it must be a large one, involving a large number of people. It might be that it is one person under different assumed names posting these pictures, but some of these people appear to be well known on the communities to which the photos were posted, such as Flickr. Does anyone have any idea what in the hell is going on? Here are links to some of the photos:

http://ufocasebook.conforums.com/index.cgi?board=reports&action=display&num=1179108769
http://www.ufocasebook.com/bigbasin.html

And a blog with a bit of background on this:

http://www.ufo-blog.com/ufo-blog/2007/06/add-big-basin-to-wave-of-californian.html

The reason UFOs have been occurring in California is mainly due to a huge exodus from New Jersey.  Urban sprawl has gradually decreased the number of cornfields in the Garden State, making it harder to find new opportunities for crops circles.  Also the insurance for these UFO vehicles is astoundingly high, in fact, auto insurance have the highest rates in New Jersey!
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Re: Crazy UFO sighting- what the hell is going on?
« Reply #2 on: June 28, 2007, 01:05:19 PM »
All the good things in America are in Cali, I say it's man made.

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Re: Crazy UFO sighting- what the hell is going on?
« Reply #3 on: June 28, 2007, 01:27:49 PM »
All the good things in America are in Cali, I say it's man made.

Their oranges and broccoli taste horrible!
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Re: Crazy UFO sighting- what the hell is going on?
« Reply #4 on: June 28, 2007, 05:25:22 PM »
Could be an elaborate hoax, rather than just a simple one.  Then again, it could be for real.  Either way, we'll just have to wait and see.

Somebody said in one of the links that it looks like a Japanese Flow Harvester.  Whatever the hell that is.

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Re: Crazy UFO sighting- what the hell is going on?
« Reply #5 on: June 29, 2007, 07:21:34 AM »
*Note... The 3d program they used didn't automatically turn shadows on.

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Re: Crazy UFO sighting- what the hell is going on?
« Reply #6 on: June 29, 2007, 07:25:06 AM »
A blatant photoshop

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Re: Crazy UFO sighting- what the hell is going on?
« Reply #7 on: June 29, 2007, 07:36:52 AM »
looks like a magnetic propulsion prototype, very cool
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Re: Crazy UFO sighting- what the hell is going on?
« Reply #8 on: June 29, 2007, 07:38:50 AM »
Or, like a bad 3D model.

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Re: Crazy UFO sighting- what the hell is going on?
« Reply #9 on: June 29, 2007, 07:45:22 AM »
this topic is worthless without fake pics. 
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Re: Crazy UFO sighting- what the hell is going on?
« Reply #10 on: June 29, 2007, 08:04:20 AM »
... Did you check the links?

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Re: Crazy UFO sighting- what the hell is going on?
« Reply #11 on: June 29, 2007, 08:08:58 AM »
Wow... :o
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Re: Crazy UFO sighting- what the hell is going on?
« Reply #12 on: June 29, 2007, 10:13:28 AM »
Quite obviously there are only a few possible explanations...

1. Doctored photos.  THIS ISN'T HARD PEOPLE, YOU CAN FALSIFY A UFO!
2. Drugs.  This probably happened to a bunch of people at a rave, or in some other way on drugs.  I mean, it's California, people.
3. Crazy conspiracy theorists

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Re: Crazy UFO sighting- what the hell is going on?
« Reply #13 on: June 29, 2007, 10:17:37 AM »
Quite obviously there are only a few possible explanations...

1. Doctored photos.  THIS ISN'T HARD PEOPLE, YOU CAN FALSIFY A UFO!
2. Drugs.  This probably happened to a bunch of people at a rave, or in some other way on drugs.  I mean, it's California, people.
3. Crazy conspiracy theorists

Re: Crazy UFO sighting- what the hell is going on?
« Reply #14 on: June 29, 2007, 10:18:17 AM »
Sorry, I'm from Texas.

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Re: Crazy UFO sighting- what the hell is going on?
« Reply #15 on: June 29, 2007, 10:23:22 AM »
Did they, oh, I don't know... DRUG THE CAMERA'S SO THE CAMERA'S WOULD TAKE PICTURES?

I'm not standing up for the pictures, I'm just putting down a dumbass texan.

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Re: Crazy UFO sighting- what the hell is going on?
« Reply #16 on: June 29, 2007, 10:48:44 PM »
How to fake a UFO:

1. Find original image. I chose one of a nice couple near a dock. Watch those hands buddy!
2. Add a gray shape in PS. Apply motion blur and reflection of object where needed.
3. Upload and enjoy!


With the ease of making fakes these days, "photographic evidence" usually proves nothing.

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RENTAKOW

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Re: Crazy UFO sighting- what the hell is going on?
« Reply #17 on: June 29, 2007, 11:07:03 PM »
In this instance, replace "gray shape" with a rendering of your choice.

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Re: Crazy UFO sighting- what the hell is going on?
« Reply #18 on: June 30, 2007, 02:56:25 AM »
By noting the lighting in some of the pics in the first link, it appears fake to the naked eye.

But I have to say, those are very well done images if it is fake. Even taking them into Photoshop and subjecting them to various filters to find inconsistencies, there aren't really any of note. If someone did indeed make these, they are pretty amazing.
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Re: Crazy UFO sighting- what the hell is going on?
« Reply #19 on: June 30, 2007, 07:30:46 AM »
Also, on one of the links, it has a thing that it blatantly keyed in a 3d program, as all of the turns are EXTREMELY rigid. I don't think anything would wait til it got to a point to turn, if they were as lazy as us terrans.

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Re: Crazy UFO sighting- what the hell is going on?
« Reply #20 on: June 30, 2007, 09:07:14 AM »
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Also, on one of the links, it has a thing that it blatantly keyed in a 3d program, as all of the turns are EXTREMELY rigid. I don't think anything would wait til it got to a point to turn, if they were as lazy as us terrans.

Watch the video again all the way through, it specifically says at the end that it's a 3D simulation, a recreation of the sightings. No one is trying to pass that video as the real deal.

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By noting the lighting in some of the pics in the first link, it appears fake to the naked eye

If it is a hoax, someone sure went through a lot of trouble to fabricate a story and fake documents:

http://ufocasebook.conforums.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&num=1182908022

http://isaaccaret.fortunecity.com/
« Last Edit: June 30, 2007, 09:14:14 AM by Tom Bishop »

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Re: Crazy UFO sighting- what the hell is going on?
« Reply #21 on: June 30, 2007, 09:21:58 AM »
Watch the video again all the way through, it specifically says at the end that it's a 3D simulation, a recreation of the sightings. No one is trying to pass that video as the real deal.
No kidding. And that video clearly shows that the people who run the website have all of the skills required to make the fake photos.

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If it is a hoax, someone sure went through a lot of trouble to fabricate a story and fake documents:

http://ufocasebook.conforums.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&num=1182908022

http://isaaccaret.fortunecity.com/
Yeah, that is what UFO conspiracy organizations do. ::)

That's nice, rentacow, but if you look at the links you'll see that the pictures have a little bit more detail than just a grey blur.
Well, the majority of UFO pictures look exactly like the image he posted. But in this case, yes, they have a lot more detail. This picture was clearly made using some kind of 3D modeling software.

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Re: Crazy UFO sighting- what the hell is going on?
« Reply #22 on: June 30, 2007, 09:27:39 PM »
I bet if you compared the model in the "3D recreation" with the "real craft" in the pictures. The two supposed models match exactly. If they have a 3D model to make a video, what would stop them from using the same model in a picture.

I don't believe in UFO sightings but I have no doubt there are other civilizations out there. If their was a highly advanced civilization out there, why would they bother with us stupid humans. And who is to say those little green men are ~6 feet tall. All of the extra solar planets we've discovered are many times larger than earth. I'll bet humans are on the microscopic end of the beings spectrum.
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Re: Crazy UFO sighting- what the hell is going on?
« Reply #23 on: June 30, 2007, 09:37:25 PM »
OR, they could be gigantic. Look at the variances of size on our planet alone. The ship could be about as big as a toy flying saucer, and we'd never know.

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Re: Crazy UFO sighting- what the hell is going on?
« Reply #24 on: June 30, 2007, 09:43:52 PM »
I bet if you compared the model in the "3D recreation" with the "real craft" in the pictures. The two supposed models match exactly. If they have a 3D model to make a video, what would stop them from using the same model in a picture.

I don't believe in UFO sightings but I have no doubt there are other civilizations out there. If their was a highly advanced civilization out there, why would they bother with us stupid humans. And who is to say those little green men are ~6 feet tall. All of the extra solar planets we've discovered are many times larger than earth. I'll bet humans are on the microscopic end of the beings spectrum.

If you look at biology there is a reason for size. It isn't just random. Cells are tiny because of surface to area ratios. Huge animals are very rare for a reason.

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Re: Crazy UFO sighting- what the hell is going on?
« Reply #25 on: July 01, 2007, 05:13:50 PM »
Seriously man, just fucking have fun.

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Re: Crazy UFO sighting- what the hell is going on?
« Reply #26 on: July 02, 2007, 02:21:41 PM »
No thanks. I like irritating you too much.  :-*

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« Reply #27 on: July 02, 2007, 03:29:43 PM »
The images are quite exciting but let's think about this rationally, shall we? The whole thing sounds kind of anti-parsimonious doesn't it? I mean, either a couple dudes are spreading some fake images and documents around the internet (which isn't at all shocking), or a bunch of space aliens (or secret government agents -whichever you prefer) Are blasting around the California skies in space rockets.

Even so, even if we pretend for a second that these people are being completely honest with us here (and we really have no reason to), so what? There are loads of titillatingly UFOesque remote control flying machines out there (like this one, for example), that could fool even the most skeptical among us. So why must any unusual object seen in the skies automatically be some sort of super secret alien craft?

Not to mention the fact that all we have here are a few eyewitness testimonies. Which are pretty much worthless. They're kind of like those heart-wrenching testimonials quack doctors like Chiropractors force on you to show how well their craft works. So until somebody shows me some real evidence that doesn't rely on the word and lens of some random Joe Schmoe on the internet, you can color me highly skeptical.

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Re: Crazy UFO sighting- what the hell is going on?
« Reply #28 on: July 02, 2007, 06:48:11 PM »
No thanks. I like irritating you too much.  :-*
That was aimed at hammerman (or whatever his name was). He was an annoying douche, who did nothing but picture spam.

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Re: Crazy UFO sighting- what the hell is going on?
« Reply #29 on: July 02, 2007, 08:16:17 PM »
No thanks. I like irritating you too much.  :-*
That was aimed at hammerman (or whatever his name was). He was an annoying douche, who did nothing but picture spam.

oh ok. sorry then. but yeah hammerman is quite the douchebag.