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Just ignore my post. It proves you wrong...

Just ignore my post. It proves you wrong...

I didn't ignore your post. You claimed to have seen the curvature and then went on a spiel about GPS and instruments on airplanes to apparently prove you were on a part of the Earth.

Quote from: Ferruccio on June 22, 2007, 10:37:50 PM

I'm just saying it in response to the several posts I've seen in threads claiming that you can't see curvature at airplane altitude.

Even if you could, which is disputed, all it proves is that there is curvature seen in the distance at the horizon. Doesn't prove the Earth is round though.

I don't disagree with you.  I'm just saying that, instead of delving into all the mathematics to try to determine what the human eye can see, just do something simple like google earth, or any other rendering program where you can have an appropriately-sized sphere with an appropriately-distant point from the surface.  From what I've seen, at least, the curvature is pretty distinct.

I'm not saying that it proves it either way.  This solely is addressing the curvature issue.

The curvature from an actual altitude of 30,000 feet can't be seen.  However, GE shows a rather pronounced curve.  I fail to see your point.

The curvature from an actual altitude of 30,000 feet can't be seen.  However, GE shows a rather pronounced curve.  I fail to see your point.

Proof?

My eyes.  I fly a lot and have never seen this curvature.

My eyes.  I fly a lot and have never seen this curvature.

I fly a lot and I always see curvature.

Of course I'm not debating the existence of RE.  I'm saying that IF there is an RE that follows the RE conjectures, curvature can be seen.

My eyes, though, are not proof.

So you are lying about seeing the curvature? 

You seem to be missing my point.

I'm not talking about the images on google earth.  I am not talking about the slight inaccuracies with the size of the planet (they are minute).  I am not talking about the atmosphere.  I am not talking about any part of the geography whatsoever.

I am talking about it from the mere standpoint of it representing a sphere, and nothing more.

Put your eye level at an appropriate height above the sphere, above a "flat" area, like the oceans, with little to no 3d terrain data, and you can see curvature.

Ihope you do see a curvature. Google Earth is much smaller than real life. The smaller a circle, the more curvature there is

My point was that their is no way I could have been "tricked" into thinking I was over Antarctica by GPS alone. The IRS is all mechanical. So I was over the south pole and their is no way you can tell me I really wasn't.

As for curvature: Once again, it is noticeable over 6,000 feet and very obvious over 20,000. You don't need to be in the pilot seat to see it.

As for curvature: Once again, it is noticeable over 6,000 feet and very obvious over 20,000. You don't need to be in the pilot seat to see it.

We have your word against the word of a pilot who has specifically looked for curvature:

"The curvature from an actual altitude of 30,000 feet can't be seen.  However, GE shows a rather pronounced curve.  I fail to see your point." -TheEngineer

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As for curvature: Once again, it is noticeable over 6,000 feet and very obvious over 20,000. You don't need to be in the pilot seat to see it.

We have your word against the word of a pilot who has specifically looked for curvature:

"The curvature from an actual altitude of 30,000 feet can't be seen.  However, GE shows a rather pronounced curve.  I fail to see your point." -TheEngineer

Oh yeah, like TheEngineer, the renowned hypocritical bully, has any sway with REers... Geeesh!

So you are lying about seeing the curvature? 

So you are lying about not seeing the curvature?

Quote from: Ferruccio on June 22, 2007, 05:05:13 PM

You seem to be missing my point.

I'm not talking about the images on google earth.  I am not talking about the slight inaccuracies with the size of the planet (they are minute).  I am not talking about the atmosphere.  I am not talking about any part of the geography whatsoever.

I am talking about it from the mere standpoint of it representing a sphere, and nothing more.

Put your eye level at an appropriate height above the sphere, above a "flat" area, like the oceans, with little to no 3d terrain data, and you can see curvature.

Ihope you do see a curvature. Google Earth is much smaller than real life. The smaller a circle, the more curvature there is

That's not how it works.  There's a big difference between how big something really is, and what its apparent size (in degrees) is in relation to your field of view.  It is not hard to make an accurate field of view recreation with any rendering software a sphere with the camera view mounted at a given height above the sphere.

Oh yeah, like TheEngineer, the renowned hypocritical bully, has any sway with REers... Geeesh!

Oh, noes!  I haz noe swayz wif da noobz!!

Quote from: TheEngineer on June 23, 2007, 11:44:16 AM

So you are lying about seeing the curvature? 

So you are lying about not seeing the curvature?

Nope.

So you are lying about seeing the curvature? 

Nope.

Which one of us is the pilot? 


Oh, that's right, me.

Oh wait. I am to and I say you can see it. I'm sure anyone who has been on a passenger jet can say they have to.

TheEngineer, would you object to a few (three) aviation questions that any pilot or aircraft aficionado could easily answer? Over microphone, so that you can't look up the answer and post it 15 minutes later. It's not that I don't trust you.

Oh wait. I am to and I say you can see it. I'm sure anyone who has been on a passenger jet can say they have to.

I have been on a number of international flights, and I have never seen any curvature. Every time this thread pops up there is a unanimous agreement; curvature is not visible from any flying altitude.

If you think that calling a pilot a liar directly to his face is going to help your position, you are mistaken.

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Oh wait. I am to and I say you can see it. I'm sure anyone who has been on a passenger jet can say they have to.

I have been on a number of international flights, and I have never seen any curvature. Every time this thread pops up there is a unanimous agreement; curvature is not visible from any flying altitude.

If you think that calling a pilot a liar directly to his face is going to help your position, you are mistaken.

Well, when we want advice from a foolish liar, we'll be sure to ask you. Until then, you're welcome to keep your useless and unwanted advice to yourself.

But Tom (this is the third time I have posted this, to no avail each time), from your arguements, weshould be able to see a curvature due to the same effect that bends a pencil when you put it in a glass of water.

I guess I will have to wait on TheEngineer's reply. I hate the anticipation.

You really don't know what he is going to say?

He is going to say no. If he were a pilot it would be no problem to answer the questions. It would take all of 3 minutes.

Too bad for your little experiment, I don't have a microphone, or a PTT, that will work on my computer.  I could always post my license, but I don't think I'll be doing that.

You can ask here, if you like, and I'll answer.

Which one of us is the pilot? 


Oh, that's right, me.

I can see the curvature, you can't.  Simple as that.

Must be a small planet you live on.

Must be a small planet you live on.

Are you even capable of reasonable discussion, or do you just resort to ad hominem attacks?