Ross's 60,000 mile ice wall

Tom, I'm hoping that you didn't see where I asked this question because you've been so busy reading other people's posts.  You posted a link to the book where Ross supposedly stated that he found Antarctica to have a 60,000-mile circumference, but it's a long book and it's just not right to expect people to wade all through it to find the reference.  Honestly, anytime someone posts a link for you to see, they tell you specifically where to look for the information that is relevant.  In the interests of fairness, I believe it's only right if you do so here. 

You're making yourself look like a smacked ass, Tom, but you could redeem yourself if you just tell us the specific page at this site http://books.google.com/books?id=kjoNAAAAIAAJ&pg=PR1 where Ross says that Antarctica has a 60,000 mile circumference.

If you can't, I'm afraid people here just might not take you seriously on anything, since it looks so awfully much like you are simply lying.  I'm starting to doubt that you ever actually performed Rowbotham's experiments, myself; I was always willing to give you the benefit of the doubt, because I had no real reason to think you were lying.  But now... 

I doubt it's in that book, I couldn't find it.

Couldn't either.

Has anyone seen my remark about this quote:

Has anyone seen my remark about this quote:

http://theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=14570.msg236139#msg236139

Advertising yourself?

But I have a question for Tom too. This is common sense. If you have a Earthquake it splits the ground breaks the ground and what not. What happens to the ice? Why would it not fall appart? That's what I'm asking. Because physics applay and the earthquake would keep going and without a doubt would smother the ice. Therefore it would make a crack and our world would lose water. We would Also lose lava and parts of the lithosphere because Earthquakes happen with the lithosphere.

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Wrong quote! I've corrected it.

Quote from: Bushido on June 20, 2007, 07:18:41 AM

Has anyone seen my remark about this quote:

http://theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=14570.msg236139#msg236139

Advertising yourself?

No, since the link is from this site. I'm not posting links to certain M$ Office files.

I doubt it's in that book, I couldn't find it.

I doubt it exists, and I wasn't about to go searching for something that doesn't exist.

And Tom is still silent...

Bump.  I know you're around, Tom.  So how about providing an actual reference for your outlandish claim?

Bump.  I know you're around, Tom.  So how about providing an actual reference for your outlandish claim?

Ross reports the final circumference of Antarctica to the nearest nautical mile in the appendix and concluding chapter of his last volume.

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Bump.  I know you're around, Tom.  So how about providing an actual reference for your outlandish claim?

Ross reports the final circumference of Antarctica to the nearest nautical mile in the appendix and concluding chapter of his last volume.

Still no reference. Still no page number. Still no quote. TomB is still lying.

Well, I looked through the appendix to the link you posted.  No mention of the circumference of Antarctica.  Once again, you are evidently lying.

And the link you provided is apparently just the first volume.  So again, provide a source we can all check, or we know you're lying.

Here's an easier one.  Can you at least provide a link to the part of "Earth Not a Globe" where Rowbotham claims Ross claimed that Antarctica has a circumference of 60,000 miles?  I read through the chapter about the magnitude of the earth and couldn't find it.  I mean, you're not lying about that too, are you?  Surely you know where it is, since you know the book so well.

Well, I looked through the appendix to the link you posted.  No mention of the circumference of Antarctica.  Once again, you are evidently lying.

And the link you provided is apparently just the first volume.  So again, provide a source we can all check, or we know you're lying.

Here's an easier one.  Can you at least provide a link to the part of "Earth Not a Globe" where Rowbotham claims Ross claimed that Antarctica has a circumference of 60,000 miles?  I read through the chapter about the magnitude of the earth and couldn't find it.  I mean, you're not lying about that too, are you?  Surely you know where it is, since you know the book so well.

Yikes! TomB, that must really burn. Maybe it's best if you go sulk somewhere for a while. Roundy really seems to have you nailed this time. (Roundy: Good job!)

From page 348 of his final volume:

"At noon we were in Lat 49° 20' S. and Long 37° 24' E. A light breeze originated from the north-west. Having been done with our mission we made all sail for the Cape of Goodhope."

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"In the final narrative of our four year voyage of the Antarctic seas, I must only further observe, that, amongst the many events which has occurred to call fourth our gratitude to God for his guidance during the arduous and hazardous operations in which we have been engaged over the last 62,400 miles. It was most unfortunate that we had lost several of our crew members to sickness and drowning. Their memories will live on in our hearts and minds, as a bastion to the relentless aspirations of man and his never ending avidity for the exploration of new frontiers."

Yeah, even assuming the quote is real (and you've still left no way for us to check it), I think you need to read it better, Tom. 

From page 348 of his final volume:

"At noon we were in Lat 49o 20' S. and Long 37o 24' E. A light breeze originated from the north-west. Having been done with our mission we made all sail to  to the Cape of Goodhope."

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"In the final narrative of our four year voyage of the Antarctic seas, I must only further observe, that, amongst the many events which has occurred to call fourth our gratitude to God for his guidance during the arduous and hazardous operations in which we have been engaged over the last 62,400 miles. It was most unfortunate that we had lost several of our crew members to sickness and drowning. Their memories will live on in our hearts and minds, as a bastion to the relentless aspirations of man and his never ending avidity for the exploration of new frontiers."

TomB, that's laughable. Do you even think for a moment that quote supports your claim?! Goodness, TomB are you really that daft?

The quote simply stats the total distance traveled in 4 years.  Nowhere does it say that was the distance of Antarctica.  Please try again. 

I have said before that I think the 60,000 mile number was the total trip distance.  I was right. 

I was right. 

Bound to happen sooner or later.   

The quote simply stats the total distance traveled in 4 years.  Nowhere does it say that was the distance of Antarctica.  Please try again.

Where else did Ross go? Are you implying that he sailed around in circles for a while sometime during his Antarctic voyage?

I'm sorry, where in that quote does Ross state a circumference of 60,000 miles for the continent of Antarctica?

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The quote simply stats the total distance traveled in 4 years.  Nowhere does it say that was the distance of Antarctica.  Please try again.

Where else did Ross go? Are you implying that he sailed around in circles for a while sometime during his voyage?

TomB, it's your claim, buddy. You said Ross said the circumference of Antarctica was 60,000+ miles. Your quote says his multi-year exploration from home to that entry with overwintering in a settled port, with supply runs back to South America, with exploration to and fro was 60,000+ miles. You seem to have lost all reasoning capabilities. Just read the books and you'll see how he traveled so far. Goodness, if this is your best, then you're a confirmed liar.

I concur.  He's had the quote all this time, and he's been twisting it in his mind to what he wanted it to say.  The only reason why he took so long to post the quote itself is that he knew it didn't actually confirm a circumference of 60,000 miles for Antarctica.  This is no mistake on his part, it is a bold-faced lie.

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The quote simply stats the total distance traveled in 4 years.  Nowhere does it say that was the distance of Antarctica.  Please try again.

Where else did Ross go? Are you implying that he sailed around in circles for a while sometime during his Antarctic voyage?

Pretty much, although they weren't circles.  He did move to many places.  I guess you missed the parts where the book talks about returning to random islands to get supplies and camp for the winters.

Tom has contradicted himself. Simple as.

LMAO, wow.. that's more laughable than sunsets due to perspective.

And Tom has yet to return.

He posted that he had given the exact page number in another thread, so he still thinks he is right.

And Tom has yet to return.

He posted that he had given the exact page number in another thread, so he still thinks he is right.

This makes tonight's version of the RE Primer. TomB will be so frustrated that this lie will be documented on many hard drives around the world in the next 24 hours.

From page 348 of his final volume:

"At noon we were in Lat 49° 20' S. and Long 37° 24' E. A light breeze originated from the north-west. Having been done with our mission we made all sail for the Cape of Goodhope."

...

"In the final narrative of our four year voyage of the Antarctic seas, I must only further observe, that, amongst the many events which has occurred to call fourth our gratitude to God for his guidance during the arduous and hazardous operations in which we have been engaged over the last 62,400 miles. It was most unfortunate that we had lost several of our crew members to sickness and drowning. Their memories will live on in our hearts and minds, as a bastion to the relentless aspirations of man and his never ending avidity for the exploration of new frontiers."

Haha. That doesn't even explain anything do to the opinion that FE is true. It just means he's traveled 62,400 miles over the past 4 years. Not ever in that qoute does it state around the whole ring. Nor can you infer that he did.

lol where is everyone >.<

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The quote simply stats the total distance traveled in 4 years.  Nowhere does it say that was the distance of Antarctica.  Please try again.

Where else did Ross go? Are you implying that he sailed around in circles for a while sometime during his Antarctic voyage?

Read your own reference, Tom. It states clearly that he only reached Antartica around Jan 15, 1841 and was back from Antartica on Apr. 6, 1841 and went back to Antartica some time later. He passed about half the time or more away from Antartica. In fact, with his 19'th century resources it is highly unlikely that he could have survived 4 years away from safe ports.

We are still waiting for that volume where the second trip was made. But even with just the first volume it is clear that you have lied through your teeth.