Flat Pizza Model

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Flat Pizza Model
« on: June 15, 2007, 06:07:34 AM »
It has been discussed that an object rotating about an axis will eventually approach a flattened state, similar to spinning a pizza pie.  According to the RE model, a pizza pie would flatten due to the force of gravity and the the force of the hand that reacts opposite to the gravitational force.  In regards to the FE model, which forces would cause a RE model to gradually approach a FE state?  The only force I can assume based on the FE model is the force causing UA, but I could not find any reference to a reactionary force or another force to act opposite to the UA force.  Any clarification on this issue would help me dearly. Thank you.

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Re: Flat Pizza Model
« Reply #1 on: June 15, 2007, 07:16:47 AM »
I assume they would probably mention the reactionary forces via sun, moon, and celestial bodies.  FET FTL!
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Re: Flat Pizza Model
« Reply #2 on: June 15, 2007, 07:19:38 AM »
I assume they would probably mention the reactionary forces via sun, moon, and celestial bodies.  FET FTL!

Mention of this is expected, but the forces from these objects is not significant enough to cause such a state nor are they acting 180 degrees with respect to UA.
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Re: Flat Pizza Model
« Reply #3 on: June 15, 2007, 07:21:19 AM »
If you're asking how the FE became flat, then I'd argue that there's no reason for it to have been spherical in the first place. Why would it have to be spun like a pizza? It started the shape it is.
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Re: Flat Pizza Model
« Reply #4 on: June 15, 2007, 07:25:33 AM »
If you're asking how the FE became flat, then I'd argue that there's no reason for it to have been spherical in the first place. Why would it have to be spun like a pizza? It started the shape it is.

Explain to me the process of its creation?
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Re: Flat Pizza Model
« Reply #5 on: June 15, 2007, 07:25:49 AM »
Did it ever form?  Or, was it always there?

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« Reply #6 on: June 15, 2007, 07:26:56 AM »
Did it ever form?  Or, was it always there?

How does it retain its form ever since?

EDIT:  How do the force (or forces?) that cause gravitation, experienced by other celestial bodies, not affect the FE form?
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« Reply #7 on: June 15, 2007, 07:28:48 AM »
For those of you who did not remember the discussion of pizza pie theory, it was used to refute the possibility of a RE.  What I want to discuss is how the model can possibly refute RE?
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Re: Flat Pizza Model
« Reply #8 on: June 15, 2007, 07:40:33 AM »
EDIT:  How do the force (or forces?) that cause gravitation, experienced by other celestial bodies, not affect the FE form?

But the force does affect the FE form! It's universal acceleration, and you should read about it.

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Re: Flat Pizza Model
« Reply #9 on: June 15, 2007, 07:50:58 AM »
EDIT:  How do the force (or forces?) that cause gravitation, experienced by other celestial bodies, not affect the FE form?

But the force does affect the FE form! It's universal acceleration, and you should read about it.



I thought it was a FE consensus that the celestial bodies possess their own gravitation, separate from the UA force.

EDIT: Also UA alone cannot maintain a FE state,. A reactionary force is needed.
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Re: Flat Pizza Model
« Reply #10 on: June 15, 2007, 08:29:04 AM »
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I thought it was a FE consensus that the celestial bodies possess their own gravitation, separate from the UA force.

Dogplatter maintains that all celestial bodies are flat. While this may seem absurd, observation of the stars shows them to be completely two dimensional.
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Re: Flat Pizza Model
« Reply #11 on: June 15, 2007, 08:43:25 AM »
Dogplatter maintains that all celestial bodies are flat. While this may seem absurd, observation of the stars shows them to be completely 2D.

Yes, so I assume this includes planets?  That giant storm on Jupiter is just so very special.

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« Reply #12 on: June 15, 2007, 08:53:26 AM »
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I thought it was a FE consensus that the celestial bodies possess their own gravitation, separate from the UA force.

Dogplatter maintains that all celestial bodies are flat. While this may seem absurd, observation of the stars shows them to be completely 2D.

That's odd.  My observation of one celestial body, the moon, results in a 3-Dimensional Image.  This thus shows observation to be unreliable proof.

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A: The Earth is not one of the other planets.  The Earth is special and unlike the other bodies in numerous ways.

Why does the FAQ imply other celestial bodies being round, but you and Dogplatter maintains that they are flat?
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Re: Flat Pizza Model
« Reply #13 on: June 15, 2007, 08:56:02 AM »
If you're asking how the FE became flat, then I'd argue that there's no reason for it to have been spherical in the first place. Why would it have to be spun like a pizza? It started the shape it is.
The RE is round because of gravity.
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Re: Flat Pizza Model
« Reply #14 on: June 15, 2007, 09:27:37 AM »
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I thought it was a FE consensus that the celestial bodies possess their own gravitation, separate from the UA force.

Dogplatter maintains that all celestial bodies are flat. While this may seem absurd, observation of the stars shows them to be completely two dimensional.
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Re: Flat Pizza Model
« Reply #15 on: June 15, 2007, 09:36:13 AM »
Earth's magnetic field insures that Earth maintains a spherical form following the contours of Earth's magnetic lines of force.  However, an infinite Earth would resist such forces due to Earth's infinite edge acting as a counter mass.
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« Reply #16 on: June 15, 2007, 09:45:17 AM »
Yet most other spherical celestial bodies don't have a magnetic field due to them not having a molten or even present iron core.

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« Reply #17 on: June 15, 2007, 09:49:33 AM »
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I thought it was a FE consensus that the celestial bodies possess their own gravitation, separate from the UA force.

Dogplatter maintains that all celestial bodies are flat. While this may seem absurd, observation of the stars shows them to be completely two dimensional.
Wrong. Observation shows them to be rotating spheres, without exception.

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Re: Flat Pizza Model
« Reply #18 on: June 15, 2007, 10:15:19 AM »
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Wrong. Observation shows them to be rotating spheres, without exception.

Observation of stars through a telescope shows them to be completely two dimensional, without exception.

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Looking through a telescope may show then to be flat but data collected from them proves otherwise.

What evidence shows stars to be spherical?

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Yes, so I assume this includes planets?  That giant storm on Jupiter is just so very special.

Jupiter also appears entirely two dimensional through a home telescope.

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That's odd.  My observation of one celestial body, the moon, results in a 3-Dimensional Image.  This thus shows observation to be unreliable proof.

The face of the moon points in one direction only: down.

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Re: Flat Pizza Model
« Reply #19 on: June 15, 2007, 10:20:56 AM »

Observation of stars through a telescope shows them to be completely two dimensional, without exception.
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Because they are so far away. 

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What evidence shows stars to be spherical?
The fact that they release energy.  People can use thsi data to figure out how big the star is.  Since you like to read maybe you should read up on it.   

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Jupiter also appears entirely two dimensional through a home telescope.
Maybe your cheap ass $40 telescope.  Last time I looked through one at Saturn(which is further away and smaller), I saw a sphere.     

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The face of the moon points in one direction only: down.
Their are maps of the whole surface.  Its round. 
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Re: Flat Pizza Model
« Reply #20 on: June 15, 2007, 10:29:27 AM »
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Wrong. Observation shows them to be rotating spheres, without exception.

Observation of stars through a telescope shows them to be completely two dimensional, without exception.

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Looking through a telescope may show then to be flat but data collected from them proves otherwise.

What evidence shows stars to be spherical?

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Yes, so I assume this includes planets?  That giant storm on Jupiter is just so very special.

Jupiter also appears entirely two dimensional through a home telescope.

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That's odd.  My observation of one celestial body, the moon, results in a 3-Dimensional Image.  This thus shows observation to be unreliable proof.

The face of the moon points in one direction only: down.
Star's surfaces rotate as observations have shown. the nuclear fusion reaction taking place can only exist in spherical form due to the immense forces acting on it in all directions.

view jupiter under a time lapse time period, it's many storms rotate around the planet over and over, this could not happen on a flat planet

the face of the moon we see is there because of it's unusual orbit (i forget it's scientific name). It cannot be flat as you can see craters on the lower regions in oval shapes, the farther down you look the more severe this oval shape is, indicating a curve.

your arguement is invalid.

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« Reply #21 on: June 15, 2007, 11:05:22 AM »

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That's odd.  My observation of one celestial body, the moon, results in a 3-Dimensional Image.  This thus shows observation to be unreliable proof.

The face of the moon points in one direction only: down.


Once again, I state that observations are not proof.  For example, some people observe the curve of the earth, but that does not prove it to be a sphere.
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« Reply #22 on: June 15, 2007, 11:14:08 AM »
Hey, I dunno if you knew this, but if you take a picture of a ball, it seems to be 2 dimensional. you have to look at things from ALL angles before you say things like that. the ball is still a sphere, even if it looks 2 dimensional on paper. looking through a telescope, almost nothing will look exactly how it is. try a different technique
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Re: Flat Pizza Model
« Reply #23 on: June 15, 2007, 11:16:08 AM »
Hey, I dunno if you knew this, but if you take a picture of a ball, it seems to be 2 dimensional. you have to look at things from ALL angles before you say things like that. the ball is still a sphere, even if it looks 2 dimensional on paper. looking through a telescope, almost nothing will look exactly how it is. try a different technique

Exactly. Well done. Accuracy is music to my ears.

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That's odd.  My observation of one celestial body, the moon, results in a 3-Dimensional Image.  This thus shows observation to be unreliable proof.

To "prove" anything to be of 3 dimensions, you need to view it in all 3 dimensions. Since you're unable to view the Moon in anymore than 2 dimensions first-hand, it doesn't hold up.
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Re: Flat Pizza Model
« Reply #24 on: June 15, 2007, 11:17:37 AM »
thank you. that was the best I could come up with
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« Reply #25 on: June 15, 2007, 11:53:13 AM »
Hey, I dunno if you knew this, but if you take a picture of a ball, it seems to be 2 dimensional. you have to look at things from ALL angles before you say things like that. the ball is still a sphere, even if it looks 2 dimensional on paper. looking through a telescope, almost nothing will look exactly how it is. try a different technique

Exactly. Well done. Accuracy is music to my ears.

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That's odd.  My observation of one celestial body, the moon, results in a 3-Dimensional Image.  This thus shows observation to be unreliable proof.

To "prove" anything to be of 3 dimensions, you need to view it in all 3 dimensions. Since you're unable to view the Moon in anymore than 2 dimensions first-hand, it doesn't hold up.
planets rotate.. we see that clearly through telescopes, spheres.

Re: Flat Pizza Model
« Reply #26 on: June 15, 2007, 01:09:38 PM »
However SparteX, what the one antagonizing all of this is saying  is that by looking into a telescope, a planet/moon/star looks flat. He cant seem to comprehend that things are not always as they appear, which is why I gave my ball example
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« Reply #27 on: June 15, 2007, 02:44:29 PM »
However SparteX, what the one antagonizing all of this is saying  is that by looking into a telescope, a planet/moon/star looks flat. He cant seem to comprehend that things are not always as they appear, which is why I gave my ball example
ah but over a time lapse we can clearly see that the planet's rotate. if a disk were to rotate it'd either have a CD like motion or a flipping coin like motion

Re: Flat Pizza Model
« Reply #28 on: June 15, 2007, 03:43:29 PM »
Hey, I dunno if you knew this, but if you take a picture of a ball, it seems to be 2 dimensional. you have to look at things from ALL angles before you say things like that. the ball is still a sphere, even if it looks 2 dimensional on paper. looking through a telescope, almost nothing will look exactly how it is. try a different technique

Exactly. Well done. Accuracy is music to my ears.

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That's odd.  My observation of one celestial body, the moon, results in a 3-Dimensional Image.  This thus shows observation to be unreliable proof.

To "prove" anything to be of 3 dimensions, you need to view it in all 3 dimensions. Since you're unable to view the Moon in anymore than 2 dimensions first-hand, it doesn't hold up.
Uh... No. You can infer three dimensions through a telescope, just like a one-eyed person can. There are visual cues (shading, clarity, size) that allow you to infer depth. In addition, two images taken by two telescopes at some distance apart provides depth information too.

Re: Flat Pizza Model
« Reply #29 on: June 15, 2007, 03:48:15 PM »
"ah but over a time lapse we can clearly see that the planet's rotate. if a disk were to rotate it'd either have a CD like motion or a flipping coin like motion"

I know, I was saying that that is was the FE believe. you are absolutely correct. this is how earth rotates, meaning it must be a round planet. others will come up with an argument as to why we are false, but whatever. were right
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