Members of Conspiracy

According to FE theory, there is a vast number of people involved in the conspiracy.  Here's a list:

- NASA.
- Russian Space Agency.
- Anyone who has ever been in space, commercial, governmental, or private.
- Anyone who claims to use satellites, including DirecTV, the Weather Channel, meteorologists, the Army and other military organizations.
- Pilots.
- Any company that uses cruise liners or boats in the Southern Hemisphere.
- Scientists that study space or the Earth including astronomers, geologists, meteorologists, any everyone else.
- Anyone who has traveled to Antarctica, commercial, governmental, or private.
- Anyone who worked on NASA or and other space agency programs, such as the people who developed photos at NASA.
- Anyone claiming to have taken a picture of a Round Earth.

I'll probably think of more...

EDIT: And people who have claimed to travel over Antarctica.

- NASA.

Yes. NASA is in on the Conspiracy.

- Russian Space Agency.

Nope. The Flat Earth will still have a curved horizon from the altitude the RSA operates at.

- Anyone who has ever been in space, commercial, governmental, or private.

Nope. The Flat Earth will still have a curved horizon from the altitudes these organizations operate.

- Anyone who claims to use satellites, including DirecTV, the Weather Channel, meteorologists, the Army and other military organizations.

Nope. The Flat Earth will still have a curved horizon from the altitudes these organizations operate.

- Pilots.

Pilots don't need to be in on any Conspiracy. Navigation and Circumnavigation is perfectly possible on a Flat Earth.

- Any company that uses cruise liners or boats in the Southern Hemisphere.

Cruise liners don't need to be in on a Conspiracy.

- Scientists that study space or the Earth including astronomers, geologists, meteorologists, any everyone else.

No they wouldn't. Studying the points of lights in the sky is still possible on a Flat Earth. As is studying the rocks on the ground, tectonic plates, et cetera.

- Anyone who has traveled to Antarctica, commercial, governmental, or private.

People travel to the Ice Wall all the time. The March of the Penguins was filmed there.

- Anyone who worked on NASA or and other space agency programs, such as the people who developed photos at NASA.

Yes. NASA is in on the Conspiracy.

- Anyone claiming to have taken a picture of a Round Earth.

The Flat Earth still has a rounded horizon when viewed from above. The sun's spotlight has a  rounded edge, remember? The edge of the earth is round. The horizon of the Flat Earth will seem curved when viewed from outside of the atmosphere. A rounded horizon proves nothing.

Wouldn't flight times in the southern hemi be different than they are, Tom?

Wouldn't flight times in the southern hemi be different than they are, Tom?

Don't ask that. He'll go on about flights always getting delayed again, what a load of tosh

You, Mr Bishop, are a fucking idiot.

The RSA had MIR....which was ORBITING the Earth.

Wouldn't flight times in the southern hemi be different than they are, Tom?

Yes, flight times will be different than estimations. Globes are warped projections of the Flat Earth.

You, Mr Bishop, are a fucking idiot.

The RSA had MIR....which was ORBITING the Earth.

Satellites don't orbit the earth. Satellites orbit the imaginary center of mass above the hub of the earth which the stars, sun, and moon move around.

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- NASA.

Yes. NASA is in on the Conspiracy.

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- Russian Space Agency.

Nope. The Flat Earth will still have a curved horizon from the altitude the RSA operates at.

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- Anyone who has ever been in space, commercial, governmental, or private.

Nope. The Flat Earth will still have a curved horizon from the altitudes these organizations operate.

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- Anyone who claims to use satellites, including DirecTV, the Weather Channel, meteorologists, the Army and other military organizations.

Nope. The Flat Earth will still have a curved horizon from the altitudes these organizations operate.

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- Pilots.

Pilots don't need to be in on any Conspiracy. Navigation and Circumnavigation is perfectly possible on a Flat Earth.

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- Any company that uses cruise liners or boats in the Southern Hemisphere.

Cruise liners don't need to be in on a Conspiracy.

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- Scientists that study space or the Earth including astronomers, geologists, meteorologists, any everyone else.

No they wouldn't. Studying the points of lights in the sky is still possible on a Flat Earth. As is studying the rocks on the ground, tectonic plates, et cetera.

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- Anyone who has traveled to Antarctica, commercial, governmental, or private.

People travel to the Ice Wall all the time. The March of the Penguins was filmed there.

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- Anyone who worked on NASA or and other space agency programs, such as the people who developed photos at NASA.

Yes. NASA is in on the Conspiracy.

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- Anyone claiming to have taken a picture of a Round Earth.

The Flat Earth still has a rounded horizon from above. A rounded horizon proves nothing.

Yes, Russia is on the conspiracy, they are working with NASA on the ISS.  And yes, the flat Earth will appear curved, but on a Round Earth, you can only see one side of the Earth.  On a Flat Earth, everything would be on the same side, and would not look the same as a Round Earth.
Therefore, people in space are in on the conspiracy.  As for satellites, I'm not only talking about pictures, I'm talking about transfer of signals.  Sustained space flight is impossible because of the Earths supposed acceleration.
As for pilots, they need to be in on the conspiracy for Southern Hemisphere vs Northern Hemisphere flights.  Same for cruise liners.
When I'm talking about scientists, I'm talking about scientists like the ones that claim to have gone to Antarctica or the ones that say anything against Flat Earth based on experiments.
People who have traveled to Antarctica should have noticed it was nothing but a wall
As for pictures of Round Earth, I mean Apollo 17 like pictures.  The whole shebang.

Satellites don't orbit the earth. Satellites orbit the imaginary center of mass above the hub of the earth which the stars, sun, and moon move around.

But the inhabitants of MIR supposedly saw the Earth revolve beneath them...therefore they must be conspirators.

Yes. NASA is in on the Conspiracy.

Yup

Nope. The Flat Earth will still have a curved horizon from the altitude the RSA operates at.

No they would.  They "launched" the firts satellite.  They would of found out that orbit is not possible.

Nope. The Flat Earth will still have a curved horizon from the altitudes these organizations operate.

Space shuttles are gone much longer then a full power trip could last.  They would have to know they cant go into space, and thus they would have to land somewhere.  So anyone that runs the place where they land would also be in the conspiracy.

Nope. The Flat Earth will still have a curved horizon from the altitudes these organizations operate.

Direct TV(as well as alot of people) use geostationary satellites that have very high orbits.  They would half to know, as well as the dish installers as they aim them at satellites.  Also there would have to be some people that either directly or indirectly mess up your signal in bad weather, because a signal couldn't get to a satellite but it could get to a tower.  

Pilots don't need to be in on any Conspiracy. Navigation and Circumnavigation is perfectly possible on a Flat Earth.

Pilots would figure it out when it takes them twice as long to get to each longitue line as it would in the north.  

Cruise liners don't need to be in on a Conspiracy.

Same as above, distances would be much greater.

No they wouldn't. Studying the points of lights in the sky is still possible on a Flat Earth. As is studying the rocks on the ground, tectonic plates, et cetera.

Many people use satellite images every day.  There would have to be thousands of planes taking pictures 24/7.  

People travel to the Ice Wall all the time. The March of the Penguins was filmed there.

The people that have claimed to make it to the exact south pole would be in on the conspiracy.  After all they would never find a point that once crossed you would start to go north again.  

Yes. NASA is in on the Conspiracy.

Yup and all there contractors.  

The Flat Earth still has a rounded horizon when viewed from above. The sun's spotlight has a  rounded edge, remember? The edge of the earth is round. The horizon of the Flat Earth will seem curved when viewed from outside of the atmosphere. A rounded horizon proves nothing.

Why is there an round edge above the north pole?  Pictures are taken and in each one the earth just seems to stop at the north pole.  Its like its round or something.  

Satellites don't orbit the earth. Satellites orbit the imaginary center of mass above the hub of the earth which the stars, sun, and moon move around.

Didn't I tell you to make up your fucking mind? So now all of a sudden their are satellites? 

Yes, Russia is on the conspiracy, they are working with NASA on the ISS.

Russia doesn't need to be in on the Conspiracy. Just because they are helping to fund NASA's ISS project, it doesn't mean that they are in on the Conspiracy. The ISS is just a satellite which moves east to west above the hub of the earth. It is caught in the same gravitational vector the sun, moon, and stars are caught in.

And yes, the flat Earth will appear curved, but on a Round Earth, you can only see one side of the Earth.  On a Flat Earth, everything would be on the same side, and would not look the same as a Round Earth.

Images like this are still possible on a Flat Earth. The apparent curvature of th horizon comes from the round spotlight of the sun. The countries of the world are not all visible at once because the observer is simply not high enough. The rest of the world is still squished beyond the resolution of the human eye at the line of the horizon. As horizontal distance from the observer increases, land features will be squished by an order of magnitude. Additionally, since the atmosphere is not perfectly transparent, the squished and distant lands will be obscured by a haze of blue-white atmosphere.

Those other countries are still thousands or tens of thousands of miles away from the observer at an altitude of 100 vertical miles above the sea level of the earth. One would have to travel much higher to see the majority of the earth.

As for satellites, I'm not only talking about pictures, I'm talking about transfer of signals.

Satellites move around the hub of the earth, orbiting around the center of mass which the celestial bodies of the sky move around. This invisible barycenter is due to vast cornucopia of stellar systems orbiting around its center of mass - an imaginary point completely compliant with the Newtonian system. This is an extrapolated and more complex binary star movement. Technically this is called a multiple system.

Sustained space flight is impossible because of the Earths supposed acceleration.

If one enters orbit around the center of mass around the hub of the earth, sustained spaceflight is possible.

As for pilots, they need to be in on the conspiracy for Southern Hemisphere vs Northern Hemisphere flights.  Same for cruise liners.

Pilots in the Southern hemisphere don't need to be in on any Conspiracy. They'll just experience a delayed flight. If you've ever been to a major airport you would know that it seems as if every other flight is delayed. A flight rarely arrives at its estimated time. Most people with experience in air travel, who've been on international flights, can attest to the extreme delays of flight arrivals. If we search for "flight was delayed" on Google we get millions of hits. Reading the direct personal testaments, excusing mechanical failures and bomb threats, we can see that it's not uncommon for flights to be delayed on the range of hours.

Airports may blame the cause to wind conditions, but it is very possible that the maps themselves are inaccurate, especially in the Southern Hemisphere, since they are based on the supposition of a Round Earth.

Just because LAN.com or a travel agent company may measure distances on a Round Earth map and estimate that a flight might take 6 hours, it doesn't mean that it will. Observational and personal evidence will be necessary to back any flight time claims between extremities of the Flat Earth. If there were any complaints due to travel time, the customer relations person at Delta would hardly be in a position to redraw a map and change the shape of the earth.

When I'm talking about scientists, I'm talking about scientists like the ones that claim to have gone to Antarctica or the ones that say anything against Flat Earth based on experiments. People who have traveled to Antarctica should have noticed it was nothing but a wall

Uh, there is a 150 foot wall made of ice at the edge of Antarctica.

See this image: http://uwamrc.ssec.wisc.edu/images/gallery/B15Aedge.jpg

As for pictures of Round Earth, I mean Apollo 17 like pictures.  The whole shebang.

Only NASA claims to have taken such pictures.

Pilots in the Southern hemisphere don't need to be in on any Conspiracy. They' just experience a delayed flight. if you've ever been to a major airport you would know that it seems as if every other flight is delayed. A flight rarely arrives at its estimated time. Most people with experience in air travel, who've been on international flights, can attest to the extreme delays of flight arrivals. If we search for "flight was delayed" on Google we get millions of hits. Reading the direct personal testaments, exclusing mechanical failures and bomb threats, we can see that it's not uncommon for flights to be delayed on the range of hours.

Airports may blame the cause to wind conditions, but it is very possible that the maps themselves are inaccurate, especially in the Southern Hemisphere, since they are based on the supposition of a Round Earth.

Just because LAN.com or a travel agent company may measure distances on a Round Earth map and estimate that a flight might take 6 hours, it doesn't mean that it will. Observational and personal evidence will be necessary to back any flight time claims between extremities of the Flat Earth. If there were any complaints due to travel time, the customer relations person at Delta would hardly be in a position to redraw a map and change the shape of the earth.

Bollocks. This can't apply to every flight in the southern hemisphere.

This is by far Tom's poorest set of posts yet, he's verging on Narcberry-ridiculousness.

Tom, if you have any self-respect, please abandon this thread.

When were satellites able to orbit?  I wasn't aware of this development.
How come this mass attracts satellites, but the Earth still does not collapse on itself?  Is the Earth an exception to gravity?  Since obviously I guess the UA has been abandoned.

And apologise for it too. Tell us you were on drugs or something when you made it.

At least go out with dignity...LIE YOUR PANTS OFF!  Tell them your brother made these posts or that your on crack or drunk.  Lie, lie, lie.

It was Tim!

It was Tim Pope.

Does he shit in the woods?

Bollocks. This can't apply to every flight in the southern hemisphere.

The vast majority of flights in the Southern Hemisphere don't travel between two distant points directly, but make a bunch of little hops along the continents, picking up and dropping off passengers along the way. Like international shipping, the post office doesn't charter a direct flight just for one parcel of mail. The post office puts it on a flight that makes dozens upon dozens of little hops along the continents of the world, picking up and dropping off mail by the ton, distributing to major regional centers. It is vastly cheaper for the airline company and post offices to operate in this fashion.

With this considered, judging the flight time between two areas would be close to impossible unless you could find a non-stop flight between two distant areas on the Flat Earth.

When were satellites able to orbit?  I wasn't aware of this development.

Satellites have always been able to move around the hub of the earth. Where do you think Satellite TV comes from?

How come this mass attracts satellites, but the Earth still does not collapse on itself?  Is the Earth an exception to gravity?  Since obviously I guess the UA has been abandoned.

The Universal Acceleratior isn't abandoned. It can still be attributed to what keep us on the ground. In addition to the UA, the celestial bodies above the earth exhibit gravitation and rotate around itself in a 24 hour period.

This gravitation of the celestial bodies above our heads is what causes the tides and different levels of g at different altitudes.

The bulk of Flat Earth does not exhibit gravitation due to its enormous size. Gravitational fields exist as parcels, limited in applicability and extent. For example; Magnetic Fields and Static Electricity can only reach a certain threshold. Like the other phenomena in the universe, gravitation would be constrained by similar bounds and limits.

The vast majority of flights between don't travel between two distant points directly, but make a bunch of little hops along the continents, picking up and dropping off passengers along the way. Like international shipping, the post office doesn't charter a direct flight just for one parcel of mail. The post office puts it on a flight that makes dozens upon dozens of little hops along the continents of the world, picking up and dropping off mail by the ton, distributing to major regional centers. It is vastly cheaper for the airline company and post offices to operate in this fashion.

With this considered, judging the flight time between two areas would be close to impossible unless you could find a non-stop flight between two distant areas on the Flat Earth.

That still cant explain it. Unless all those little hops were delayed as well to cover the distance. Stop repeating the same old shit Tom, it's boring.

Gravitational fields are not limited in size.

Gravitational fields are not limited in size.

If you are an expert on Gravitational fields then you should be able to tell me the mechanism which causes mass to bend space-time. What is the mechanism of Gravitation? What makes it so different to other phenomena?

How does it work?

Tom don't try and take the focus off yourself

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Bollocks. This can't apply to every flight in the southern hemisphere.

The vast majority of flights between don't travel between two distant points directly, but make a bunch of little hops along the continents, picking up and dropping off passengers along the way. Like international shipping, the post office doesn't charter a direct flight just for one parcel of mail. The post office puts it on a flight that makes dozens upon dozens of little hops along the continents of the world, picking up and dropping off mail by the ton, distributing to major regional centers. It is vastly cheaper for the airline company and post offices to operate in this fashion.

With this considered, judging the flight time between two areas would be close to impossible unless you could find a non-stop flight between two distant areas on the Flat Earth.

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When were satellites able to orbit?  I wasn't aware of this development.

Satellites have always been able to move around the hub of the earth. Where do you think Satellite TV comes from?

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How come this mass attracts satellites, but the Earth still does not collapse on itself?  Is the Earth an exception to gravity?  Since obviously I guess the UA has been abandoned.

The Universal Acceleratior isn't abandoned. It can still be attributed to what keep us on the ground. In addition to the UA, the celestial bodies above the earth exhibit gravitation and rotate around itself in a 24 hour period.

This gravitation of the celestial bodies above our heads is what causes the tides and different levels of g at different altitudes.

The bulk of Flat Earth does not exhibit gravitation due to its enormous size. Gravitational fields exist as parcels, limited in applicability and extent. For example; Magnetic Fields and Static Electricity can only reach a certain threshold. Like the other phenomena in the universe, gravitation would be constrained by similar bounds and limits.

Um, OK, so why don't the satellites crash?  We're still heading upwards...And why doesn't this mass have any effect on the Earth itself?
And I know about Satellite TV, I just thought that sustained space flight wasn't possible on a Flat Earth... I heard this somewhere.  I though the FEers thought this was from towers or something.  And yes, Gin is right, magnetic and gravitational fields have no limit.  If an object were left in space with only one other object in the Universe, they would eventually attract one another.  And don't go off topic, answer our questions.
(Geez, had to keep editing because people were posting so fast.)

And admit you're talking bollocks about flights

And admit you're talking bollocks about flights

Yeah, that too.  The Southern Hemisphere is twice as big.  That's a real long delay down south.  The delays your talking about in hours don't happen all the time, which they should.

It really is one of his worst arguments

(I say worst because it's one of the few I can understand is wrong...)

AIR CONTROL: So, why were you delayed six hours?
PILOT: Oh, just had to make a few stops, no big deal.  Happens all the time.
AIR CONTROL: What kind of stops are you taking?
PILOT: Bathroom breaks.
AIR CONTROL: FOR SIX HOURS!?!
PILOT: Well, yeah, you know...

BUY AVODART! TODAY!

No, but seriously, Tom, your argument is bad.  Like really bad.  Especially air times.  Bad.  Did I mention bad?

Hahha love it

I think Tom is gone...
He's not on the scopes...