A look into the Conspiracy

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A look into the Conspiracy
« on: May 31, 2007, 12:12:38 PM »
As we all know, the entire premise of this website is that NASA is a fraudulent entity. Nothing said or given by NASA or its collaborators is to be trusted. The American Government has great incentive to portray the illusion of space travel. It is this from which it derives its power. America and its allies take great pains to spread its propaganda, and to discredit the achievements of its enemies.

If it were found that the American Government does not actually possess the technology necessary to travel into space, it takes no length of the imagination to realize that the American Government could not create a Nuclear tipped intercontinental ballistic missile and send it into space and half way around the world at any moment as claimed. By knowing this, countries such as China would reevaluate its militaristic strategies and seriously consider invading America or her allies in the next international dispute. Therefore, guarding the secret of space exploration is a high priority.

At the time of Apollo, the Soviet Union had five times more manned hours in space than the US. They had achieved:

   1. First manmade satellite in orbit (October 1957, Sputnik 1).
   2. First living creature to enter orbit (November 1957, Sputnik 2).
   3. First to safely return living creature from orbit, two dogs Belka and Strelka, 40 mice, 2 rats (August 1960, Sputnik 5).
   4. First man in space (April 1961, Vostok 1).
   5. First man to orbit the Earth (April 1961, Vostok 1).
   6. First to have two spacecraft in orbit at the same time aand first to conduct a spave rendezvous (August 1962, Vostok 3 and Vostok 4).
   7. First woman in space (June 1963, Vostok 6, as part of a second dual-spacecraft flight including Vostok 5).
   8. First crew of three astronauts on board one spacecraft (October 1964, Voskhod 1).
   9. First spacewalk (EVA) (March 1965, Voskhod 2).

Later on the American side of the fence, on January 27, 1967, three astronauts aboard Apollo 1 died in a fire on the launch pad during training. The fire was triggered by a spark in the oxygen-rich atmosphere used in the spacecraft test, and fueled by a significant quantity of combustible material within the spacecraft. Two years later all of the problems were declared fixed. We here at the Flat Earth Society believe that the accident led NASA to conclude that the only way to 'win' the space race was to fake space travel entirely. In any case, the first manned Apollo flight, Apollo 7, allegedly occurred in October, 1968, just 21 months after the fire.

In a mere 21 months after a catastrophic disaster, America had apparently caught up with decades of Russian research. Less than a year later, in July of 1969, America achieved the profound and spectacular technical capacity to send man to the moon. On the television screens far and wide, man was seen to have touched down on the moon.

However, in this thread my intention is not to analyze the Apollo missions. That has been done. NASA maintains several websites and has created a number of documentaries which battles allegations of a Conspiracy. It's a propaganda war of which one cannot win. America has a virtually unlimited budget. They make the money, after all. Since 1914 America's overspending on such projects has decreased the dollar's value by over one thousand fold.

When a new discrepancy in an Apollo image is found NASA frenzies to delete, modify, or fix the problem.  If a sensitive or incriminating document is leaked to the internet or the press, the country utilizes its massive power to hush the issue by threatening ISPs and Media outlets with prosecution. America treats the NASA Conspiracy as if secrecy was as sensitive as its Nuclear secrets. That much is known, at least.

Yuri Gagarin, the first man in space, tells us that he recalls witnessing an absolutely beautiful star scape above the earth. Other Russian astronauts give us this account as well. This is in direct contradiction with NASA photographs. In all of its media not one single star is visible. NASA's astronauts themselves give personal statements that the stars were not visible in orbit around the earth, or upon landing on the moon.

There is a clip in a documentary called "Moon Faker" where an astronaut personally states that the stars were not visible in orbit. This documentary is available on YouTube. The documentary also verifies that, in direct contradiction, Yuri Gagarin indeed saw a beautiful vivid starscape from orbit.

" class="bbc_link" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Moon Faker part 1
" class="bbc_link" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Moon Faker Part 2
" class="bbc_link" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Moon Faker Part 3
" class="bbc_link" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Moon Faker Part 4

It's easy enough to find a NASA picture of a Round Earth with a starless black sky, but what of the pictures taken by the Russians?

Oddly enough, the author of this post finds that it is virtually impossible to find images from the Soviet space program. I've spent the last week looking far and wide for Russian images of the earth from space. In the billions of dollars the Russians spent to get into space, they must have brought a camera along with them, surely. It's absolutely inconceivable that the Russians would neglect to bring a camera. There should exist beautiful vivid pictures of the earth in abundance. My conclusion is that either the Soviet space program was also faked, or its pictures are hidden from the eye of the American public due to obvious inconsistencies. It's well known that the federal government imparts certain regulations upon search engines such as Google and Yahoo. There are various clauses on what they can and cannot index.

The closest Soviet space image I could find is this image of the Soyuz 3 in space. You will notice that the image is not hosted in America. Upon analysis, this image portrays a starry background and an elliptical horizon. This is certainly different than anything NASA presents. The picture seems to have been scanned from a newspaper or magazine.

Is anyone able to find a picture of the earth taken by the Soviet Space Program?
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Re: A look into the Conspiracy
« Reply #1 on: May 31, 2007, 12:17:19 PM »


At the time of Apollo, the Soviet Union had five times more manned hours in space than the US. They had achieved:

   1. First manmade satellite in orbit (October 1957, Sputnik 1).
   2. First living creature to enter orbit (November 1957, Sputnik 2).
   3. First to safely return living creature from orbit, two dogs Belka and Strelka, 40 mice, 2 rats (August 1960, Sputnik 5).
   4. First man in space (April 1961, Vostok 1).
   5. First man to orbit the Earth (April 1961, Vostok 1).
   6. First to have two spacecraft in orbit at the same time (though it was not a space rendezvous, as frequently described) (August 1962, Vostok 3 and Vostok 4).
   7. First woman in space (June 1963, Vostok 6, as part of a second dual-spacecraft flight including Vostok 5).
   8. First crew of three astronauts on board one spacecraft (October 1964, Voskhod 1).
   9. First spacewalk (EVA) (March 1965, Voskhod 2).

So it's your position that

a) The Soviets were actually up in space, even though sustained spaceflight is expressly impossible; and
b) The US knew about this, and instead of actually competing they just made a lot of shit up?

BTW, what happened to the RSA being part of the conspiracy?  Is that still the case, and all their records of when Russia was really in space burned up in a similar fire to the one that destroyed Charles Johnson's library?
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Re: A look into the Conspiracy
« Reply #2 on: May 31, 2007, 12:20:47 PM »
Regardless of his position, by his argument the conspiracy could not have anything to do with hiding a flat earth.
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Re: A look into the Conspiracy
« Reply #3 on: May 31, 2007, 12:21:35 PM »
In all honesty, I didn't waste my time reading the whole thing.  ;D
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Re: A look into the Conspiracy
« Reply #4 on: May 31, 2007, 12:23:23 PM »
Tut lazy. I read the whole thing, and got highly confused. And also laughed a little at the thought of China invading...
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Re: A look into the Conspiracy
« Reply #5 on: May 31, 2007, 12:28:19 PM »
Is anyone able to find an images of the earth taken by the Soviet Space Program?
Yes, it's easy. Since the country doesn't even exist any longer, you'd expect it to be harder. Here's one with a man-made satellites and a curved earth

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Re: A look into the Conspiracy
« Reply #6 on: May 31, 2007, 12:28:35 PM »
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The closest Russian space image I could find is this image of the Soyuz 3 in space. You will notice that the image is not hosted in America. Upon analysis, this image portrays a starry background and an elliptical horizon.

How did you arrive at the conclusion that the horizon was elliptical?

This is the same retarded crap as you posted in regards to the round shadow when an eclipse is going on.

You don't understand simple mathematics.  There's no reason to assume that's an ellipse unless you've done the calculations (let's see them).
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Re: A look into the Conspiracy
« Reply #7 on: May 31, 2007, 12:30:16 PM »
It's probably not even a photograph.  ::)
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« Reply #8 on: May 31, 2007, 12:44:22 PM »
It's easy enough to find a picture of a Round Earth with a starless sky, but what of the pictures taken by the Russians?

Oddly enough, it is virtually impossible to find images from the soviet space program. I've spent the last week looking far and wide for Russian images of the earth from space. In the billions of dollars the Russians spent to get into space, they must have brought a camera along with them, surely. It's absolutely inconceivable that the Russians would neglect to bring a camera. There should exist beautiful vivid pictures of the earth in abundance. Either the soviet space program was also faked, or its pictures are hidden from the eye of the American public due to obvious inconsistencies. It's well known that the federal government imparts certain regulations upon search engines such as Google and Yahoo. There are various clauses on what they can and cannot index.

The closest Russian space image I could find is this image of the Soyuz 3 in space. You will notice that the image is not hosted in America. Upon analysis, this image portrays a starry background and an elliptical horizon. This is certainly different than anything NASA presents. The picture seems to have been scanned from a newspaper or magazine.

Is anyone able to find a picture of the earth taken by the Soviet Space Program?

http://www.federalspace.ru/video/list/BigPhoto/%D0%A4%D0%BE%D1%82%D0%BE%20%D0%B8%D0%B7%20%D0%BA%D0%BE%D1%81%D0%BC%D0%BE%D1%81%D0%B0/iss007e16030.jpg

http://www.federalspace.ru/video/list/BigPhoto/%D0%A4%D0%BE%D1%82%D0%BE%20%D0%B8%D0%B7%20%D0%BA%D0%BE%D1%81%D0%BC%D0%BE%D1%81%D0%B0/Earth-Moon.jpg


You didn't look very hard.


EDIT: I like this one, it's pretty...
http://www.federalspace.ru/video/list/BigPhoto/%D0%A4%D0%BE%D1%82%D0%BE%20%D0%B8%D0%B7%20%D0%BA%D0%BE%D1%81%D0%BC%D0%BE%D1%81%D0%B0/as16-118-18885.jpg
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Re: A look into the Conspiracy
« Reply #9 on: May 31, 2007, 12:45:53 PM »
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Re: A look into the Conspiracy
« Reply #10 on: May 31, 2007, 12:54:58 PM »
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You didn't look very hard.

Those images were taken from the ISS, long after America won the Cold War and the Soviet Empire fell. It even says in the lower left corner of that first image that it was taken from the ISS. Those same images appear in NASA's online catalog.

The Americans, Europeans, and Russians all currently participate in funding and operation of the International Space Station.

My query was to find images from the Soviet Space Program, not the Russian Space Agency. There is a distinct and important difference. The Soviet Space Program was not an American ally, while the current Russian Space Agency works in direct participation and collusion with NASA.
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Re: A look into the Conspiracy
« Reply #11 on: May 31, 2007, 01:01:07 PM »
That doesn't explain how the Soviets got into space if sustained spaceflight is impossible, Tom.  ::)

Of course, if it's possible to go into space, that obliterates any motive for a conspiracy.  This was pathetic, Tom.  ::) ::) ::)
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« Reply #12 on: May 31, 2007, 01:19:38 PM »
Quick question. Well, a couple.

How do Russians get into space before America if spaceflight is 'impossible?'

Why would the USA start to fake a massive conspiracy when all Russia had done was a seires of fairly pointless space propaganda launches. Their missile program was a shambles, the space race was propaganda. If anyone is lying its the Russians not the Americans.

Why are you asking for pictures when they aren't proof of anything. If you want pictures, how about I fax you a pictur e of the spherical planet we're all sitting on Tom.


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« Reply #14 on: May 31, 2007, 01:24:15 PM »
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Re: A look into the Conspiracy
« Reply #15 on: May 31, 2007, 01:28:54 PM »
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That doesn't explain how the Soviets got into space if sustained spaceflight is impossible, Tom.

It's possible to get into space under the Flat Earth model. Why wouldn't it be?

It's just impossible to stay in space.

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whatch the pics in this directory:

Those images come from the International Space Station. They aren't images from the Soviet Space Agency. They're from the Russian Space Agency. See the "ISS" in the image name? That stands for "International Space Station."

I'm searching for images taken from the Voskhod, the Vostok, or one of the Soviet's other spacecraft.

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Found a neat site...
http://www.astronautix.com

That's a great resource. Thanks a lot.
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Re: A look into the Conspiracy
« Reply #16 on: May 31, 2007, 01:30:41 PM »
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That doesn't explain how the Soviets got into space if sustained spaceflight is impossible, Tom.

It's possible to get into space under the Flat Earth model. Why wouldn't it be?


But not for sustained space flight. Which you've just said the Soviets managed. Make your mind up.
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« Reply #17 on: May 31, 2007, 01:37:17 PM »
Those images come from the International Space Station. They aren't images from the Soviet Space Agency. They're from the Russian Space Agency. See the "ISS" in the image name? That stands for "International Space Station."

I'm searching for images taken from the Voskhod, the Vostok, or one of the Soviet's other spacecraft.


http://spaceflight.nasa.gov/history/shuttle-mir/multimedia/video/v-007.mpg

It's hosted by NASA, though. It's Aleksei Leonov EVA in 1965.

Not all of those photos are from ISS.
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« Reply #18 on: May 31, 2007, 01:50:24 PM »
You're pathetic as usual, Tom.  ;D
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« Reply #19 on: May 31, 2007, 01:51:29 PM »
Come on Tom, I'm confused here, clear things up for me mate
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« Reply #20 on: May 31, 2007, 01:54:58 PM »
Come on Tom, I'm confused here, clear things up for me mate
When has that ever happened?
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« Reply #21 on: May 31, 2007, 01:56:33 PM »
He can't clear this up, because once again, he's completely contradicted what he's said in the past.  ::)
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« Reply #22 on: May 31, 2007, 01:57:11 PM »
Once. But I may have dreamt it.
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« Reply #23 on: May 31, 2007, 01:58:49 PM »
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Re: A look into the Conspiracy
« Reply #24 on: May 31, 2007, 02:00:12 PM »
So this thread is another load of Tom-related nonsense?

I always dream about Tom, sexy dreams.
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« Reply #25 on: May 31, 2007, 02:01:02 PM »
So this thread is another load of Tom-related nonsense?

Might as well be, we've already started to spam it up.
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« Reply #26 on: May 31, 2007, 02:01:26 PM »
Tom, if the United States faked the moon landings, then why hasn't the Russian Space Agency discredited us?  They obviously believe it.  And the picture you posted was a diagram, not a picture.
Docking of Soyuz 4 and Soyuz 5


First space station Salyut


Socking of Soyuz 10 with Salyut


A Russian Picture of Mir (Search Мир)


      And Tom, you keep going on about how the Russians were the first in space.  How were they the first in Space if sustained space flight is not possible?  Plus, I doubt the conspiracy existed back in the 1950s, because no one had been in space yet.  They had sent probes to Mars, Venus, and the Moon.  In 1961 when Yuri Gagarin was the first person in space, I pretty sure he would have told someone if the Earth was flat.  No one could stop him because no one else would have known. 
       The whole point is, if sustained space flight is no possible, why are you talking about these two space agencies as if it is?  I mean, if Gherman Titov (first person in space for over a day) got up there and sustained space flight was not possible, he would fall back to Earth.  In order to stay in space for a day, you would have to go at least 2,777,952.76 feet above the Earth, all the while falling back to Earth unable to stay in space.  Gherman Titov orbited the Earth seventeen times.  Orbit is not possible on a flat earth.  Please alter your argument so that it makes sense.
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« Reply #27 on: May 31, 2007, 02:02:58 PM »
The whole point is that even if there was a NASA conspiracy, it couldn't involve the shape of the Earth.
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« Reply #28 on: May 31, 2007, 02:05:45 PM »
So this thread is another load of Tom-related nonsense?

I always dream about Tom, sexy dreams.

I just vomit-burped.

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« Reply #29 on: May 31, 2007, 02:07:09 PM »
Tom is just talking bollocks again. Why does anyone bother listening to him?
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