Redshift

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Redshift
« on: May 30, 2007, 06:24:44 PM »
The Sombrero Galaxy is moving away from us at over 1000 km/s (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sombrero_Galaxy) as confirmed by redshift. How can we still see it in the same position when it travels more than 20 times the distance to the FE Sun every minute?

Before Tom posts, let's remind ourselves that redshift DOES give a measure of relative speed, and is NOT based on the assumption of a Round Earth. Light is subject to redshift whatever shape the Earth is.

More worryingly, the Andromeda Galaxy is traveling toward us at 300 km/s (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andromeda_Galaxy). When can we expect a crash, according to FE?

It just seems that FEers failed to take account of the effects a huge scaling-down of the heavens would have on modern astronomy. Any explanations?
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Re: Redshift
« Reply #1 on: May 31, 2007, 12:07:05 AM »
Nothing to do with the shape of the Earth, but it does assume knowledge of the original color of the galaxy. 

Re: Redshift
« Reply #2 on: May 31, 2007, 12:09:28 AM »
Nothing to do with the shape of the Earth, but it does assume knowledge of the original color of the galaxy. 
Not really. It does assume the spectra, based on the quantified "orbits" of electrons, are the same throughout the observations though.

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Re: Redshift
« Reply #3 on: May 31, 2007, 04:30:33 AM »
The images taken by the Hubble space telescope must be faked because the space telescope can not orbit the Earth as sustained space flight is not possible in the FE model.

You do not know how far the observed galaxies are in a FE model. For all we know, they might be the same distance from us as in the RE model. On the other hand, they might not be galaxies at all.

The shift in light's wavelength can also occur in a gravitational field, not just because of relative motion.

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Re: Redshift
« Reply #4 on: May 31, 2007, 05:10:03 AM »
No satallites, no hubble. But there are telescopes on Earth, is everyone of them in on the conspiracy?

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Re: Redshift
« Reply #5 on: May 31, 2007, 05:16:54 AM »
Are there detailed images of galaxies (in the visible range of the electromagnetic spectrum) made by terrestial telescopes?

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Re: Redshift
« Reply #6 on: May 31, 2007, 05:23:33 AM »
I believe so. Need to research it though, but no time right now.

Andromeda probably has some good ones, it's pretty bright.
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Re: Redshift
« Reply #7 on: May 31, 2007, 05:43:05 AM »
You're right :) I am interested as to how FE-ers explain these astronomic observations?

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Re: Redshift
« Reply #8 on: May 31, 2007, 06:15:22 AM »
Are there detailed images of galaxies (in the visible range of the electromagnetic spectrum) made by terrestial telescopes?

I read a book about the History of the Big Bang, and all the observations were obviously taken with telescopes on earth before there were satellites.

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Re: Redshift
« Reply #9 on: May 31, 2007, 08:22:58 AM »
Yeah, isn't there a large telescope array in Hawaii? That's pretty powerful.

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Re: Redshift
« Reply #10 on: May 31, 2007, 08:27:22 AM »
Andromeda has about 1 trillion stars in it, and is 1.25 times the size of the milky way. It would be curious to see how FEers explain these observations by astronomers, who are located all over the world in institutions independent of NASA or any government. I can see andromeda just by looking at the sky, and a small telescope reveals yet more of it.

In FE, how far away are the stars?
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Re: Redshift
« Reply #11 on: May 31, 2007, 08:33:07 AM »
Yeah, isn't there a large telescope array in Hawaii? That's pretty powerful.

Yes. The KECK observatory.  It's a 10-meter reflector on top of Mauna Kea.

But you don't need a telescope that powerful to take extragalactic spectra.  You could purchase the equipment to take a spectrum of stars in the andromeda galaxy for a few thousand dollars.

Edwin Hubble (of Hubble telescope fame) was doing just that many years before the first satellites had been launched.
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