Franc's 210$ USA Challenge

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Franc T., Planar

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Re: Franc's 210$ USA Challenge
« Reply #60 on: May 22, 2007, 01:08:08 PM »
I'm just trying to figure out what you mean when you say "Well, I can't really expose or attack what doesn't really exist, now can I?" It sounds to me like you're implying that it might not exist.

The "united states of america" doesn't exist as anything but fictional lines drawn on maps. That's all it means. It doesn't "really exist."

Excuse me if I don't use perfectly accurate language on my daily posts... Unlike all of you guys, who always write precisely what you believe down to the letter?


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And "Supposedly from there" implies that they aren't actually from there, to me, but I must be mistaken, so what do you actually mean?

How am I supposed to answer your fucking questions if you don't provide any context? What was I replying to? Geesh,
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Re: Franc's 210$ USA Challenge
« Reply #61 on: May 22, 2007, 02:02:15 PM »
I'm sorry, but there is definitely a government here. What is this entity if not the United States of America? Every country is essentially just a government and a set of fictional boundary lines. Whether it is legitimate or not is up for debate, but "United States of America" is always used to refer to this government. How can you argue that it doesn't exist?
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Re: Franc's 210$ USA Challenge
« Reply #62 on: May 22, 2007, 04:24:38 PM »
How am I supposed to answer your fucking questions if you don't provide any context? What was I replying to? Geesh,

Based on what I've read here, you like to expose the negative side of America.  Since you are not a native and thus it is not really your business, the only motivation for this that I can see is that you know that at our core we are fundamentally better than you, and thus you seek out as much evidence as you can to discredit us.

Well, I can't really expose or attack what doesn't really exist, now can I?

The fact that I talk about "America" most is because most of the people I talk to, and write for, are supposedly from there. That's all.

As an Anarchist, I reject all governments equally. But like atheists mostly talk about Christianity, I talk about what I know the most. It's just a consequence of not having a hundred years available to study all governments on Earth and why they are bollocks.

And no, I do not think I am superior to anyone. Just better informed. Anyone can figure this stuff out if they'll think for a week or two.

There's the context. 

And my problem wasn't that your language was faulty, it was that what you were saying made so sense to me whatsoever.
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Re: Franc's 210$ USA Challenge
« Reply #63 on: May 22, 2007, 04:53:03 PM »
I'm sorry, but there is definitely a government here. What is this entity if not the United States of America? Every country is essentially just a government and a set of fictional boundary lines. Whether it is legitimate or not is up for debate, but "United States of America" is always used to refer to this government. How can you argue that it doesn't exist?

I can answer that.  It's pretty simple, really.

Franc's an idiot.  I'm still unclear on how the United States of America can be said to not exist as a legitimate entity.  I think the burden's on him to provide solid reasoning behind that little tidbit.
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Re: Franc's 210$ USA Challenge
« Reply #64 on: May 22, 2007, 04:57:46 PM »
The United States of America never existed as a physical object, it's an idea of boundaries and customs.  Each country exists this way.  Therefore, the country "The United States of America" exists in this fashion as it always has.

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Re: Franc's 210$ USA Challenge
« Reply #65 on: May 22, 2007, 08:22:27 PM »
So he's trying to argue that no country at all exists as a physical entity? ???
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Re: Franc's 210$ USA Challenge
« Reply #66 on: May 22, 2007, 10:07:08 PM »
You know what?  Fuck it.

Yes, the USA exists as a legitimate entity.  Because everybody 18 and over has the right to vote.  That means that the will of those governing us comes from those who choose to exercise this right to vote.

You say, no, the right to vote doesn't equal the consent of the governed.  I say, it's a compromise, Franc.  You're making a semantic argument here, nothing more.  The fact is that all government must come with compromise; it's the reason why neither pure communism nor precious anarchy could ever truly exist.  As civilized people, we are generally benefitted by having a government.  If we didn't have a strong and just government in place, who would be to stop some despot actually taking power and making life miserable for us all?  And no, GW doesn't count.  I'm talking about somebody with unlimited power.  We'd probably revert to a tribal state if we didn't have a strong government. 

And we have the right to help choose who governs us, and therefore what laws are enforced.  It's not perfect, but do you really think perfect government exists, or can exist?  Nothing is perfect.  I think that it can be argued that the right to vote does equal the consent of the governed, because the way it's done is the most practicable way of putting such an ideal into effect.

Does it fit your technical definition, Franc?  Probably not.  Congratulations, Franc, you've managed to prove... absolutely nothing, actually.
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