Curvature of the FE

Why is it when I look out of a plane's window that I see the curvature of the earth?

Perhaps, you might consider that the horizon looks flat when you stand most places. Which happens to you more often? Have you considered the atmospheric effects? Consider that rainbows are rounded too.

You don't see the curvature of the earth. Even in RE you wouldn't see it unless you were at least 60,000 feet up (I think that's the number) which passenger aircraft doesn't go up to.

Quote from: kat_fish on May 17, 2007, 08:00:44 AM

Why is it when I look out of a plane's window that I see the curvature of the earth?

Perhaps, you might consider that the horizon looks flat when you stand most places. Which happens to you more often? Have you considered the atmospheric effects? Consider that rainbows are rounded too.

Okay, clap clap the atmosphere may affect how the earth looks, but have you considered this...
If I was to look out from a telescope, with no objects in my way, why is it I would not be able to see across the earth.
How is it possible that meteors have regular cycles around our planet?
How did nasa produce fake video's of anti-gravity?
Why is there no solid proof that the world is flat.
It has been 300 years since the world was declared round...surely somebody would of leaked by now?

You don't see the curvature of the earth. Even in RE you wouldn't see it unless you were at least 60,000 feet up (I think that's the number) which passenger aircraft doesn't go up to.

That's odd because I know I could see a very slight curve in the earth...at 35 000 feet.

Actually Pythagoras declared Earth to be round and by the time of Aristotle everyone knew Earth was round.

Actually Pythagoras declared Earth to be round and by the time of Aristotle everyone knew Earth was round.

Okay...so?

Quote from: GeneralGayhand on May 17, 2007, 08:10:55 AM

You don't see the curvature of the earth. Even in RE you wouldn't see it unless you were at least 60,000 feet up (I think that's the number) which passenger aircraft doesn't go up to.

That's odd because I know I could see a very slight curve in the earth...at 35 000 feet.

Well people smarter than me have pointed out you wouldn't be able to see, RE or FE

Quote from: kat_fish on May 17, 2007, 08:17:13 AM

Quote from: GeneralGayhand on May 17, 2007, 08:10:55 AM

You don't see the curvature of the earth. Even in RE you wouldn't see it unless you were at least 60,000 feet up (I think that's the number) which passenger aircraft doesn't go up to.

That's odd because I know I could see a very slight curve in the earth...at 35 000 feet.

Well people smarter than me have pointed out you wouldn't be able to see, RE or FE

Sorry, But it's not the height that matters (alone). It's the view of the horizon. I've seen the "curvature of the Earth" from the (then) BP Building, top floor, looking out over Lake Erie in Cleveland, Ohio. 

If I was to look out from a telescope, with no objects in my way, why is it I would not be able to see across the earth.
How is it possible that meteors have regular cycles around our planet?
How did nasa produce fake video's of anti-gravity?
Why is there no solid proof that the world is flat.
It has been 300 years since the world was declared round...surely somebody would of leaked by now?

It's difficult to answer so vague of question. Let me try. There's something in the way. I can't see my neighbor's backyard even with the best telescope since my trees are in the way.

Both FEer and REer admit long orbits about the sky.

I'm confused. I've never seen anti-gravity. Do you mean free-fall? If so, then by putting the object and the camera in free fall. (That's the same answer, by the way, for RE and FE.

I've already suggested the best solid proof for FE. Walk outside right now. Look at the horizon. If it's flat, then that's solid proof of FE.

t's difficult to answer so vague of question. Let me try. There's something in the way. I can't see my neighbor's backyard even with the best telescope since my trees are in the way.

and if there was nothing in the way? for example, across an ocean.

This is a picture I took while on holidays in Phuket:



Notice how the ship appears to be right on the horizon. If I had continued to view the ship, as it moved further away, why would it have appeared as if the ship were sinking rather than shrink?

I've already suggested the best solid proof for FE. Walk outside right now. Look at the horizon. If it's flat, then that's solid proof of FE.

If a flat horizon proves a FE, what would the horizon look like if the earth were round?

If a flat horizon proves a FE, what would the horizon look like if the earth were round?

Round.

  Is this what you mean by curved?

It seems wrong...   every point on the horizon is the same distance away from you.

My point being:
The horizon will look the same for both FE and RE models.

EDIT:  Just to clarrify, I'm talking about the situation of looking out your window i.e. from the earths surface

http://balloons.space.edu/habp/project_4/airphotos.html
http://www.tvnsp.org/modules.php?set_albumName=TV99A&id=h99a75k&op=modload&name=gallery&file=index&include=view_photo.php

RE curvature

The edge of the FE - the edge of the sun's spotlight -  is also curved. Apparent curvature from a high altitude means nothing.

The edge of the FE - the edge of the sun's spotlight -  is also curved. Apparent curvature from a high altitude means nothing.

You really need to explain that better, a lot better.

Quote from: Tom Bishop on May 17, 2007, 10:16:34 AM

The edge of the FE - the edge of the sun's spotlight -  is also curved. Apparent curvature from a high altitude means nothing.

You really need to explain that better, a lot better.

I think he explained well enough.

Quote from: Gulliver on May 17, 2007, 10:45:22 AM

Quote from: Tom Bishop on May 17, 2007, 10:16:34 AM

The edge of the FE - the edge of the sun's spotlight -  is also curved. Apparent curvature from a high altitude means nothing.

You really need to explain that better, a lot better.

I think he explained well enough.

Not for any skeptical, open mind! He must explain how his theory predicts the observation. He hasn't even started. RE does a good job. Given enough of a view, the observer will see that the horizon is curved downward (level in the center and lower on both edges equally) with the shape of the Earth. I see the curvature as predicted. I understand RE's prediction. I await FE's prediction. Can it match the observation too?

Wasn't it stated that flat earth is infinate plane so than the observations from those pictures are proof for RE, because if flat earth is infinite plane we would have seen curviture of the earth but rather more land that goes beyond the icewall.

There's a possibility of an infinite flat earth, it isn't a fact.

There's a possibility of an infinite flat earth, it isn't a fact.

Isn't Colonel_here's question valid under either possibility of FE? We should see either nothing (darkness) beyond a rounded ice wall on a finite plane or darkness (No Sun spotlight shining there, right?) on an infinite plane. He wonders why he can't see the darkness. I think that's a fair question, deserving of more respect.

If you get far enough out into the ice wall you will see darkness from open space on a finite earth.

If you get far enough out into the ice wall you will see darkness from open space on a finite earth.

Sorry, but that doesn't answer his question. What can't he see darkness when looking at the horizon, even with a great view?

Why would he?

Why would he?

To repeat myself: Isn't Colonel_here's question valid under either possibility of FE? We should see either nothing (darkness) beyond a rounded ice wall on a finite plane or darkness (No Sun spotlight shining there, right?) on an infinite plane. He wonders why he can't see the darkness. I think that's a fair question, deserving of more respect.

And by respect I meant that you care enough to answer his question, rather than evade it with another question. I hope I'm not asking for too much in the way of politeness towards Colonel_here.

Gulliver

Wasn't it stated that flat earth is infinate plane so than the observations from those pictures are proof for RE, because if flat earth is infinite plane we would have seen curviture of the earth but rather more land that goes beyond the icewall.

So you mean this question Gulliver? 

The answer is simple, no.  Air isn't clear, you can't see on forever into the ice wall and beyond.

Quote from: Colonel_here on May 18, 2007, 07:42:16 AM

Wasn't it stated that flat earth is infinate plane so than the observations from those pictures are proof for RE, because if flat earth is infinite plane we would have seen curviture of the earth but rather more land that goes beyond the icewall.

So you mean this question Gulliver? 

The answer is simple, no.  Air isn't clear, you can't see on forever into the ice wall and beyond.

I thank you for your attempt. I'll let Colonel_here have the first follow up.

Quote from: kat_fish on May 17, 2007, 08:00:44 AM

Why is it when I look out of a plane's window that I see the curvature of the earth?

Perhaps, you might consider that the horizon looks flat when you stand most places. Which happens to you more often? Have you considered the atmospheric effects? Consider that rainbows are rounded too.

That is because solids, which is what the ground is, do not constantly conform to environments, unlike water.  That is why the oceans look rounded, but ground does not.

Quote from: Gulliver on May 17, 2007, 08:07:28 AM

Quote from: kat_fish on May 17, 2007, 08:00:44 AM

Why is it when I look out of a plane's window that I see the curvature of the earth?

Perhaps, you might consider that the horizon looks flat when you stand most places. Which happens to you more often? Have you considered the atmospheric effects? Consider that rainbows are rounded too.

That is because solids, which is what the ground is, do not constantly conform to environments, unlike water.  That is why the oceans look rounded, but ground does not.

You can't see the "rounded" effect of water until you're at 60 000ft.

Quote from: Gulliver on May 17, 2007, 08:07:28 AM

Quote from: kat_fish on May 17, 2007, 08:00:44 AM

Why is it when I look out of a plane's window that I see the curvature of the earth?

Perhaps, you might consider that the horizon looks flat when you stand most places. Which happens to you more often? Have you considered the atmospheric effects? Consider that rainbows are rounded too.

That is because solids, which is what the ground is, do not constantly conform to environments, unlike water.  That is why the oceans look rounded, but ground does not.

Sorry, but RE actually states that the ground, that won't conform to environments (says you), doesn't just look rounded, but is rounded. What's worse is that your argument seems to prove exactly the opposite of what you're trying to prove. If oceans conform, why aren't they flat? I suggest more time pondering and less time posting, please.