Weird atmospheric refraction

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Bushido

Weird atmospheric refraction
« on: May 13, 2007, 10:03:21 AM »
Well, this is a problem with the Flat Earth model that has been raised more than once in different forms, but here is my attempt to summarize it.

First let me describe the situation from a RE-ers point of view. On the days of the Spring and Autumn Equinox, the Earth’s axis is perpendicular to the ecliptic. This causes 3 important effects:
1. Exactly half of the globe is illuminated and the other half is in darkness and day and night last equally;
2. the Sun appears exactly at the zenith for an observer situated right on the Equator at noon;
3. The Sun appears to rotate exactly on the horizon in a clockwise or counterclockwise direction for observers situated exactly on the (geographic) North and South Poles, respectively.
This is depicted in the following figure:


On the other hand, the analogous situation on a FE is depicted in the following figure:


The Sun rotates directly above the Equator, so that an observer situated on the Equator would see the Sun at the zenith at noon. The light rays do not undergo aberration because of their perpendicular incidence.

But, you can clearly see that the line of sight from an observer situated on the (geographic) North Pole on the FE builds a non–zero angle with the horizontal. Two solutions are possible:
1. The actual situation is not like it was described;
2. The situation is like it was described, but the connecting line observer – Sun is not identical to the path of the light rays.

I choose not to believe the first one, unless proven otherwise, since it is in direct contradiction to the observations made by every previous generation of observers. So, the second one is our only option (or is it?).

My question is the following: How is the refraction index of the atmolayer to change with altitude so that the tangent to the light ray at the North Pole is horizontal? Note that this must mean the index is smaller at lower altitudes where the density of the air is greater and this is not a regular occurrence. Also, does this explain the day-night pattern depicted on the FE figure?

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sokarul

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Re: Weird atmospheric refraction
« Reply #1 on: May 13, 2007, 10:50:14 AM »
Nice post.  Seems to have scared the fe'ers. 
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Pyrochimp

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Re: Weird atmospheric refraction
« Reply #2 on: May 13, 2007, 10:51:29 AM »
A+++++ 11/10 would read again Fast shipping

In all seriousness, I think their best answer involves light curving upward for no real reason.  That's the one I remember anyway.
Some people are ****ing stupid! ~ George Carlin

Mathematical proof of the flat Earth:
[{(Diameter of Earth)*(tan[distance from Earth to sun/distance from North pole to equator])}2]/0

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Chih

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Re: Weird atmospheric refraction
« Reply #3 on: May 15, 2007, 03:19:10 AM »
Good luck getting a straight answer. My guess is that someone will latch on to an ambiguously worded sentence in your post and twist it around. No real debate.

Pyrochimp, best formula ever.
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Primitive ideas about the figure of the Earth, still found in young children, hold the Earth to be flat, and the heavens a physical dome spanning over it.
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Pyrochimp

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Re: Weird atmospheric refraction
« Reply #4 on: May 15, 2007, 08:03:51 AM »
Thanks, really shines some light on the debate huh :D
Some people are ****ing stupid! ~ George Carlin

Mathematical proof of the flat Earth:
[{(Diameter of Earth)*(tan[distance from Earth to sun/distance from North pole to equator])}2]/0