Christianity and Evolution

Are you cheesy or what. You answer to my two arguments with bullshit, and then tell me I'm the one who does not know what he's talking about. HR is not about cooperation being "good or bad," and IPD is neither "hypothetical" nor "philosophical." I'm sorry that you don't understand them, but don't turn around and act as if you know what they're about.

Um, if you are going to say everyone else doesn't know what they are talking about could you at least demonstrate your vast knowledge on the subject and attempt to enlighten us simpletons?

He can't because he knows less than he claims we know. You know us through and through dont you Franc.

At least I know what the hell Hamilton's Rule is.

So that means your intellectually superior to the rest of us? Oh wait don't you believe an outdated theory disproved centuries ago?.....what as it called?.....oh the flat earth theory.

I am a planar, not a flatter.

I am a planar, not a flatter.

From what i have seen not much of a difference.

At least I know what the hell Hamilton's Rule is.

What's Hamilton's rule?

Hamilton's rule;

Genes are more likely to survive when rB - C is positive.

Where r is how related the two people are, B is the benefit of an altruistic act and C is the cost of that act.


So all Hamilton's rule says is that the survival benefits of altruism are greater than the costs, the person will do the altruistic act, and that the closer to people are related, the more likely they are to carry out that act.

The rule applies apparently to all life, not just people. 

http://brembs.net/hamilton/

http://www2.wwnorton.com/college/anthro/bioanth/ch8/chap8.htm

http://www.personal.kent.edu/~pbohanbr/Webpage/formal2/node2.html



Given that, can you explain how Hamilton's rule contradicts my claim that cooperative humans have a greater chance of survival than uncooperative humans?

Okay I'm just gonna say what I think of the link between these two things.
FIrst off, christian aren't always nice, like Evil Priest with his giant Robo-Jesus that wanted to take over the world, thought this event was concealed by the government to denie my existence and instead another comic was made in which they made fun out off me.

For the selfish gene. Well it's a gene that has been the result of Illegal Alien research on Humans with the use of Red Krypton. It has not been caused by the bible, as some think.
What the bible has caused are only things like War, Chruches and Hippies.


The evolution is a strange thing, I don't know if Evolution is safe in the hands of Christianity.

Okay I'm just gonna say what I think of the link between these two things.
FIrst off, christian aren't always nice, like Evil Priest with his giant Robo-Jesus that wanted to take over the world, thought this event was concealed by the government to denie my existence and instead another comic was made in which they made fun out off me.

For the selfish gene. Well it's a gene that has been the result of Illegal Alien research on Humans with the use of Red Krypton. It has not been caused by the bible, as some think.
What the bible has caused are only things like War, Chruches and Hippies.


The evolution is a strange thing, I don't know if Evolution is safe in the hands of Christianity.

A bunch of pointless nonsense....

Ignore him.  He's just a troll.

Ignore him.  He's just a troll.

I can denie that. Trolls can't fly so I do not think I am one. And after that time I defeated the Big Troll man I haven't seen many trolls around anymore. Probably all death.

Wow! You are dumber than i tell people.

Wow! You are dumber than i tell people.

*picks his nose.
I am not!!!! You only say that coz I wear my underwear on the outside and have a snobbish developed S on my muscled chest.

You're wrong.  The Bible was certainly referring to Creation as having taken place over 7 days (even if your reasoning made sense the Bible still breaks each day down to "morning and night" so the meaning is clear).

Not that I disagree with you.  You don't take the Bible literally and your point is that not everybody does take the Bible literally, and it is possible to be religious and still believe in Evolution.  I agree with this because I've known others with the same viewpoint.

I don't personally know how to answer the first paragraph, but I do know some believe that "Morning" refers to the beginning of the "age" that i described and "Night" refers to the end. I don't know it off the top of my head, but I know there is a verse that refers similarly. (I think it has to do with the Babylonian Exile)[I think it includes a prophet also, which 1 I do not know]

Dear The Earth is a Sphere,

I'm an atheist myself, but if you truly held the word of the bible with any modicum of regard you would not only disbelieve in evolution, but the Round Earth as well.  For example, these are direct quotes from the bible:

"He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth, and its people are like grasshoppers.  He stretches out the heavens like a canopy, and spreads them out like a tent to live in." --Isa. 40:22

"In the heavens hath He set a tabernacle for the sun, which is as a bridegroom coming out of his chamber, and rejoiceth as a strong man to run a race. His going forth is from the end of the heaven, and his circuit unto the end of it." --Psalms xix., 4-6.

"And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night. He made the stars also, and set them in the firmament of heaven to give light upon the earth."--Genesis i., 16-17.

"That it might take hold of the ends of the earth, that the wicked might be shaken out of it?" --Job 38:13

"O LORD, my strength, and my fortress, and my refuge in the day of affliction, the Gentiles shall come unto thee from the ends of the earth, and shall say, Surely our fathers have inherited lies, vanity, and things wherein there is no profit." --Jeremiah 16:19

There are plenty more where these come from. These quotes are very specific and can only imply a Flat Earth. A true Christian would never disregard his holy book as nothing more than a collection of frivolous analogies. I sincerely suggest that you sit down and reexamine yourself and your devotion to your religion.

I will try to explain as many of these as I can. (I'm still in High School, so I'm definitaly NOT a pro @ this)

I don't see how the first 3 apply, but I can answer #4 + #5:

-Most Biblical scholars say, and I agree, that the ends of the earth refers to the ends of the "known world." This would have been flat, because the whole Spherical Earth was not fully explored, so it would have looked flat.

By The Way, Tom, I hope you will turn from your ignorant ways of both false Christianity beliefs and Flat Earth beliefs. I will NOT turn from Christianity, but I will consider turning from RE beliefs with any evidence that makes any sense proving me wrong about the shape of the Earth and you right. However, that has not yet happened. I will pray for your ignorance, Tom.

Christianity is for the dumb.

Christianity is for the dumb.

Now now, that's a gross oversimplification.

You should rather say: Christianity is for the dumb or the immoral.

Just look into Christianity. I'm sure you'll put it down like you do with most beliefs and arguments, but seriously, talk with some scholars or preachers and, if you want, debate with them on subjects you think are false. Just look into it, even if it makes you even more ignorant towards it.

Just look into Christianity. I'm sure you'll put it down like you do with most beliefs and arguments, but seriously, talk with some scholars or preachers and, if you want, debate with them on subjects you think are false. Just look into it, even if it makes you even more ignorant towards it.

I frequently debate with those of the moronic persuasion [religion]. I've found that they are mentally handicapped.

As this graph states: http://www.gnxp.com/MT2/archives/001527.html

Quote from: SPrinkZ on May 19, 2007, 12:07:05 AM

Christianity is for the dumb.

Now now, that's a gross oversimplification.

You should rather say: Christianity is for the dumb or the immoral.

That just isn't true. Many exceedingly intelligent people are religious. They are simply unable to apply the same powers of reasoning towards their faith that they do towards everything else, because it is drilled into them from birth that actually thinking about faith should not be done. Even if a person converts to religion later in life, society has told them their whole lives that religion cannot be questioned, no matter which religion.

Quote from: Franc T., Planar on May 19, 2007, 12:12:27 AM

Quote from: SPrinkZ on May 19, 2007, 12:07:05 AM

Christianity is for the dumb.

Now now, that's a gross oversimplification.

You should rather say: Christianity is for the dumb or the immoral.

That just isn't true. Many exceedingly intelligent people are religious.

I wouldn't say "many", but yes there are some. Hence my addendum. They are mostly scam artists, academia whores, and child molestors.

Look man, we both agree that religion is, well, stupid. But that doesn't mean everyone who is religious is either stupid or immoral. Ignorance almost certainly counts for the vast majority of religious belief, and it's only a very selective, specific ignorance.

Look man, we both agree that religion is, well, stupid. But that doesn't mean everyone who is religious is either stupid or immoral. Ignorance almost certainly counts for the vast majority of religious belief, and it's only a very selective, specific ignorance.

We'll have to agree to disagree on that one. It's not really relevant to the thread topic anyway.

Just want to add in that of the religious people I know the vast majority aren't stupid or immoral. They were decent intelligent people.

Just want to add in that of the religious people I know the vast majority aren't stupid or immoral. They were decent intelligent people.

I find that rather unlikely.

You might find it unlikely because of your own experiences and preconceptions but my own personal experience proves otherwise to me. Say what you will, I'll just have to disagree with you on that.

You might find it unlikely because of your own experiences and preconceptions but my own personal experience proves otherwise to me. Say what you will, I'll just have to disagree with you on that.

How do you know they are religious?

Because they told me they were.

Because they told me they were.

Ooookay. So you believe every single person on this board who says he's a flat earther?