The truth.

I am an aethiest, but I ONLY hate extremist, like the muslim terrorists and Jack Chick, but I must say [][][], falls under low-level extremists who are intolerant duchebags, who use religion to argue politics, so I must say this following is a response to mainly [][][], not the actual religion.

You know I can write a book about how crazy gnomes invented the world because they were bored while I'm drunk, and claim it as my religion's bible, what proof have you that this isn't how your bible was written?

Quote from: IhaveaIQabove100 on June 27, 2007, 10:57:28 AM

I am an aethiest, but I ONLY hate extremist, like the muslim terrorists and Jack Chick, but I must say [][][], falls under low-level extremists who are intolerant duchebags, who use religion to argue politics, so I must say this following is a response to mainly [][][], not the actual religion.

You know I can write a book about how crazy gnomes invented the world because they were bored while I'm drunk, and claim it as my religion's bible, what proof have you that this isn't how your bible was written?

Denial is the most potent weapon known to man.


Um, were you talking about me or him?

Quote from: Midnight on June 27, 2007, 11:01:17 AM

Quote from: IhaveaIQabove100 on June 27, 2007, 10:57:28 AM

I am an aethiest, but I ONLY hate extremist, like the muslim terrorists and Jack Chick, but I must say [][][], falls under low-level extremists who are intolerant duchebags, who use religion to argue politics, so I must say this following is a response to mainly [][][], not the actual religion.

You know I can write a book about how crazy gnomes invented the world because they were bored while I'm drunk, and claim it as my religion's bible, what proof have you that this isn't how your bible was written?

Denial is the most potent weapon known to man.


Um, were you talking about me or him?

Who is troll bait, and who is atheist?

LOL, I thought the link read, "skeptics cannot ATE Bible" for a couple seconds...LOL.

Quote from: [][][] on May 10, 2007, 08:38:01 PM

The Bible is the truth. Every part of it is true, I cannot fathom any reason to doubt it. It has always been a perfect work and will continue to be perfect. There are no contradictions and there have never been any. There is no reality but that described in the Bible. Jesus lived and God exists.

Ooh, fun!

Let's discuss the seven deadly sins.  It should be obvious that sins are, by definition, bad.  We are not supposed to commit them.  And a lord and savior who was not a hypocrate would surely try to avoid commiting these sins himself, right?  Checklist:

PRIDE (X)

After creation in Genesis, we are told "And God saw that it was good". So, He takes pride in His work, apparently. This one isn't full out sin, just a bit of pride.  But see gluttony below and you'll see more pride.

ENVY (X)

I'll just quote the Ten Commandments.  "You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the lord your God, am a jealous God..." Oh dear, God is admitting on hiso wn free will that he is jealous, which is a sin.  He also says he punishes the children for the sins of the fathers, which sounds a bit like wrath to me.

WRATH (X)

The Old Testament describes several cases of horrifying wrath.  Of course, it oculd be argued that they were justified.  So we'll give some specifics.

Samuel (24:1): "Again the anger of the LORD burned against Israel, and he incited David against them, saying 'Go and take a census of Israel and Judah'".  Burning anger... isn't wrath?

Samuel (6:6): "When they came to the threshing-floor of Nacon, Uzzah reached out and took hold of the ark of God, because the oxen stumbled. The LORD's anger burned against Uzzah because of his irreverent act; therefore God struck him down and he died there beside the Ark of God."  So an ark fell and someone tried to help, so God maimed him?

LUST ()

I'll give this round to God, he hasn't really done it.  Impregnating a virgin for the sake of introducing a savior to the world isn't lust. 

GLUTTONY (X)

Why are we here? Many theologians would say "To love and worship God". So God led to the existence of billions of people so they could worship him and feed his ego.  That is astounding gluttonous AND proud.

GREED ()

Touche.  God doesn't need money.  But see gluttony again.  Doesn't expecting the praise of billions of people seem a tad greedy?  But, to be fair, we'll not count it.

SLOTH (X)

Back to Genesis again: "By the seventh day God finished the work He had been doing; so on the seventh day He rested from all His work." If God was omnipotent, he would have an everlasting supply of energy.  Why did he need to rest?  Sounds like he was just taking a lazy day.  Imagine how much he couldv'e gotten done on that seventh day, having only taken six to create everything.  He could've started a new universe...


By my calculation, God has commited 5/7 of the deadly sins.  Now, I know people will say "He's God.  It's not sin to Him.  It's only sin to us because we aren't Him."  But God was supposed to have created us in his image... how come he gets all these perks that we don't?

God's got a bad case of "Do as I say not as I do."  Maybe if we did all those things we'd all be like Him?

I could also point out small contradictions in terminology, but I'll hold off.

Quote from: Mongrelman... Or so I'm told... on May 22, 2007, 01:59:51 AM

Quote from: [][][] on May 10, 2007, 08:38:01 PM

The Bible is the truth. Every part of it is true, I cannot fathom any reason to doubt it. It has always been a perfect work and will continue to be perfect. There are no contradictions and there have never been any. There is no reality but that described in the Bible. Jesus lived and God exists.

Ooh, fun!

Let's discuss the seven deadly sins.  It should be obvious that sins are, by definition, bad.  We are not supposed to commit them.  And a lord and savior who was not a hypocrate would surely try to avoid commiting these sins himself, right?  Checklist:

PRIDE (X)

After creation in Genesis, we are told "And God saw that it was good". So, He takes pride in His work, apparently. This one isn't full out sin, just a bit of pride.  But see gluttony below and you'll see more pride.

ENVY (X)

I'll just quote the Ten Commandments.  "You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the lord your God, am a jealous God..." Oh dear, God is admitting on hiso wn free will that he is jealous, which is a sin.  He also says he punishes the children for the sins of the fathers, which sounds a bit like wrath to me.

WRATH (X)

The Old Testament describes several cases of horrifying wrath.  Of course, it oculd be argued that they were justified.  So we'll give some specifics.

Samuel (24:1): "Again the anger of the LORD burned against Israel, and he incited David against them, saying 'Go and take a census of Israel and Judah'".  Burning anger... isn't wrath?

Samuel (6:6): "When they came to the threshing-floor of Nacon, Uzzah reached out and took hold of the ark of God, because the oxen stumbled. The LORD's anger burned against Uzzah because of his irreverent act; therefore God struck him down and he died there beside the Ark of God."  So an ark fell and someone tried to help, so God maimed him?

LUST ()

I'll give this round to God, he hasn't really done it.  Impregnating a virgin for the sake of introducing a savior to the world isn't lust. 

GLUTTONY (X)

Why are we here? Many theologians would say "To love and worship God". So God led to the existence of billions of people so they could worship him and feed his ego.  That is astounding gluttonous AND proud.

GREED ()

Touche.  God doesn't need money.  But see gluttony again.  Doesn't expecting the praise of billions of people seem a tad greedy?  But, to be fair, we'll not count it.

SLOTH (X)

Back to Genesis again: "By the seventh day God finished the work He had been doing; so on the seventh day He rested from all His work." If God was omnipotent, he would have an everlasting supply of energy.  Why did he need to rest?  Sounds like he was just taking a lazy day.  Imagine how much he couldv'e gotten done on that seventh day, having only taken six to create everything.  He could've started a new universe...


By my calculation, God has commited 5/7 of the deadly sins.  Now, I know people will say "He's God.  It's not sin to Him.  It's only sin to us because we aren't Him."  But God was supposed to have created us in his image... how come he gets all these perks that we don't?

God's got a bad case of "Do as I say not as I do."  Maybe if we did all those things we'd all be like Him?

I could also point out small contradictions in terminology, but I'll hold off.

You need to read more of the Bible then ,Idiot, cause the Bible says "THERE IS NO SIN IN HEAVEN!!!!!"

So God is allowed to sin even though he despises it in others, because he resides in Heaven?  Doesn't change the fact that He is a hypocrite.

God: "Sin doesn't exist up here because I say so!  So it doesn't matter that I'm a hypocritical, wrathful, slothful, gluttonous, greedy, prideful, envious jerk!  It's okay for me!  Do as I say, not as I do!  That is the way of religion and if you want reward, you better believe in me, because I'm a whiny God and I hate it when people don't put their blind faith in me!  It's just not fair!   WHAAAAAAH!"

Actually, an honest rebuttal.  If sin doesn't exist in heaven, what was God's beef with Lucifer?

But if sin doesn't exist in Heaven, how could that have been wrong?  After all, God does what appears to be sinning all the time, yet, he's exempt because he resides in Heaven, right?  Why didn't the same logic apply to Lucifer?

In what way was his rebellion not a sin?

If I remember correctly, and I usually do, you said that God performed five of the seven deadly sin.  And FYI God resides in Heaven where sin doesn't exsist! DUH!!!!

So... sin does exist in Heaven, then?

omglolbbq

Quote from: Midnight on July 10, 2007, 10:45:03 PM

omglolbbq

okay...i got all that imeese up to bbq. what the heck does bbq mean?

Quote from: Roundy is Neutral on July 09, 2007, 12:04:50 PM

So... sin does exist in Heaven, then?

I was wrong. I reread my Bible and asked my pastor. He didn't sin. He was jellous of God and tried to over throw him and God cast  him out of heaven!