Wave Crests And Sunsets - UNANSWERED

Quote from: meany on May 24, 2007, 02:56:18 PM

Open debate? He keeps ignoring things that don't fit his "theory".

He's also one man against everyone who arrives.

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What does this analogy prove, exactly?

If a penny can block out the sun then a series of 40 inch waves along the surface of the ocean could do the same, surely.

Additionally, any excess light from the glow of the sun after it descends into the horizon would be obscured by the thick atmosphere which lies along the surface of the earth. After a sufficient distance from the observer the light would become lost in the cloud of the atmosphere.

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Now substitute the Sun for the Angels and consider.

You say this assuming that the sun moves across the sky at a constant rate, but suns motion through the sky isn't constant. Sometimes it appears to move across the sky at a quicker rate, and sometimes at a slower rate. If any of you have a sundial, you'll be familiar with this effect as the "equation of time" which tells you how much your sundial will deviate from "true time" during the year.

Illustration: http://www.dupageco-il-vetsmemorial.org/seasonal.jpg

How do you REer's account for this discrepancy?

Tom, this debate will go nowhere if you keep evading. You're losing your credibility. Stand up to the issues, please.

We are not talking about slight variances in the suns motion, we are talking about a singificant difference in speed obvious to all observers without any measuring equipment. On FE Sun would not even appear to be CLOSE to constant speed through the sky.

also, the posters above showed how on a FE, the sun would look really small before it blended with the horizon

in reality, it stays the same size and dips under the horizon, like it were a ball being slowly lowered past the edge of a table

You're simply making things up without anything to back up your statements, Gin!

Have you studied the speed of the sun throughout the course of a day? Care to give a reference which states that the sun has a constant speed throughout the sky?

I posted this somewhere else, but it was ignored and might not have been totally relevant to that discussion  so here it is in its own thread, my debunking of Rowbotham's wave crests/false horizon argument.

The horizon is not a physical object, it cannot obstruct light. Let me make an earthly example. I am a bacterium on a tabletop...

If I sit on top of an apple which is taller than anything else on the tabletop (which doesn't have a smooth surface, there are fruits all over it). There is a long thread (perfectly straight) which is attached to an orange at the other end, like this:



Now extend the table top, so that it is a bit longer:



And now very very long:



Is the thread ever broken?

However far away it is, as long as the apple and orange are taller than the obstructions (physically taller, not apparently taller by perspective or whatever) there will always be a direct line between them, and the orange will never be obscured from view by anything.

What is demonstrated here (the thread is a beam of light) is that perspective may change the size of things, but it can never change the relative position of things. Perspective will never put the sun BELOW the waves, only near them, and thus the sun can never be obscured by the effect Rowbotham describes.

This is particularly obvious on Everest. Being the apple, Everest is taller than all other objects on Earth. The sun is higher up than Everest is (700 miles, or 3000 whatever), so the 'thread' between them can never be broken...

I didn't say I didn't loose site of the shore. I've been out plenty far. I said water never obstructed my view of shore 'cept for big waves of coarse.

I've fished for catfish

You say this assuming that the sun moves across the sky at a constant rate, but suns motion through the sky isn't constant. Sometimes it appears to move across the sky at a quicker rate, and sometimes at a slower rate. If any of you have a sundial, you'll be familiar with this effect as the "equation of time" which tells you how much your sundial will deviate from "true time" during the year.

I am fervently waiting for Tom's next response.

He still has yet to propose a response to the fact that if the Sun stays a constant distance from the Earth, the 40 inch waves will never interupt it. The waves don't appear to be 40 inches high at the horizon, they are imperceptible.

Waiting Tom...

Careful, if you ask Tom a tough question, he'll copy and paste a hundred-word irrelevant diatribe.

Quote from: Ulrichomega on May 25, 2007, 04:50:17 PM

I am fervently waiting for Tom's next response.

He still has yet to propose a response to the fact that if the Sun stays a constant distance from the Earth, the 40 inch waves will never interupt it. The waves don't appear to be 40 inches high at the horizon, they are imperceptible.

Waiting Tom...

Careful, if you ask Tom a tough question, he'll copy and paste a hundred-word irrelevant diatribe.