Atmoplane

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Re: Atmoplane
« Reply #30 on: May 06, 2007, 03:30:18 AM »
If space can be infinite I see no reason why the tundra of ice and snow beyond the Ice Wall cannot also be infinite.

Dr. Samuel Birley Rowbotham held that knowing exactly what is at the end of the earth will forever be beyond the capability of any man or machine.
Because infinite matter defies the laws of physics. Also, most physicists who know what they're on about say there is an edge.

But I'm sure that infinite ice defying the laws of physics says nothing to you. I mean, everything else you say seems to defy physics and you ignore the fact that what you say is impossible.

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Re: Atmoplane
« Reply #31 on: May 06, 2007, 11:43:23 AM »
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Smart ass, you know what he's talking about, and if you don't you're moronic.

I don't see what has changed since the mid 1800's which has enabled a person to study the shape of the earth. What didn't the people of the Victorian age have? If anything, Dr. Rowbotham was better suited to study the shape of the earth than any modern person or scientist. He was a wealthy inventor and astronomer who used his wealth to explore the world and gather evidence for the Flat Earth.

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The universe in not infinite.

The RE universe didn't just start at a single point in space and expand outwards. That's a dummied down explanation for elementary schools. If you look into the actual Big Bang theory you will find that the Big Bang happened everywhere at once. The stars and galaxies of the universe stretch forever into the depths of space, the vast majority of which are invisible due to our Hubble sphere of vision. The light from stars 16 billion light years away have not reached us.
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Re: Atmoplane
« Reply #32 on: May 06, 2007, 12:30:01 PM »

The RE universe didn't just start at a single point in space and expand outwards. That's a dummied down explanation for elementary schools. If you look into the actual Big Bang theory you will find that the Big Bang happened everywhere at once. The stars and galaxies of the universe stretch forever into the depths of space, the vast majority of which are invisible due to our Hubble sphere of vision. The light from stars 16 billion light years away have not reached us.

Tom, you make me cringe. You just do, I'm sorry. How to put this then...
Ok, I'll try like this: the entire universe took part in the big bang because that tiny point was the entire universe. Like a balloon, it grows in size but remains the same thing as it once was when it was smaller.
The universe is like a balloon. Take an (uninflated) balloon and put dots on with a marker. Then blow it up. The balloon grows and the dots get further apart.
There, Big Bang for dummies :p.

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Re: Atmoplane
« Reply #33 on: May 06, 2007, 03:21:38 PM »
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Smart ass, you know what he's talking about, and if you don't you're moronic.

I don't see what has changed since the mid 1800's which has enabled a person to study the shape of the earth. What didn't the people of the Victorian age have? If anything, Dr. Rowbotham was better suited to study the shape of the earth than any modern person or scientist. He was a wealthy inventor and astronomer who used his wealth to explore the world and gather evidence for the Flat Earth.

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The universe in not infinite.

The RE universe didn't just start at a single point in space and expand outwards. That's a dummied down explanation for elementary schools. If you look into the actual Big Bang theory you will find that the Big Bang happened everywhere at once. The stars and galaxies of the universe stretch forever into the depths of space, the vast majority of which are invisible due to our Hubble sphere of vision. The light from stars 16 billion light years away have not reached us.


So what about the gaseous mixture of oxygen, nitrogen and carbon dioxyde? Why doesn't it leak off of the edge of the Flat Earth, Tom?

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Re: Atmoplane
« Reply #34 on: May 06, 2007, 07:15:39 PM »
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So what about the gaseous mixture of oxygen, nitrogen and carbon dioxyde? Why doesn't it leak off of the edge of the Flat Earth, Tom?

Did you read Earth Not a Globe? Past the Ice Wall the tundra of ice and snow stretches perpetually in all directions.

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Re: Atmoplane
« Reply #35 on: May 06, 2007, 09:06:45 PM »
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So what about the gaseous mixture of oxygen, nitrogen and carbon dioxyde? Why doesn't it leak off of the edge of the Flat Earth, Tom?

Did you read Earth Not a Globe? Past the Ice Wall the tundra of ice and snow stretches perpetually in all directions.
And your proof is what? O thats right you don't have any. 
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Re: Atmoplane
« Reply #36 on: May 06, 2007, 09:09:24 PM »
Until an edge is found Zetetic reasoning percludes that the tundra of ice and snow stretches forever.

Why do you think so many Antarctic explorers have gone missing?
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Re: Atmoplane
« Reply #37 on: May 06, 2007, 09:11:33 PM »
Infinite means endless, period.  A googolplex has 10,000 zeroes after it and it does not equate to infinity.  That explanation was ridiculous.
Yeah, it does not equate to infinity because infinity is not a number.  But still, a sufficiently large quantity in some application is the same as an infinitely large quantity.   Should we take this to another thread? 

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How can you measure whether the universe is truly infinite or not?  You can't, of course.  You might as well try to disprove the existence of God.  But our theoretical understanding of the universe, based on the expansion caused by the Big Bang, is that it is finite.  I do not believe in an infinite universe and I do not believe in an infinite flat earth.  And doesn't the concept of an infinite universe contradict Newton's theories of thermodynamics?  I thought there was a limit to the amount of energy that can exist in the universe.  I'm no expert on physics, so if I'm wrong, feel free to correct me.

I wasn't talking about the univers, I was talking about the flat earth.  If the flat earth were very very large it could create the appearance of an infinite size in some aspect -- like the consistent pressure in the atmosphere, for example -- when it is truly not infinite, just like in my ridiculous explanation last post. 

If the size of the flat earth were great enough (and / or there were great mountains around the perimeter) there would be very small time-rate-of-change of pressure through human history.  The size of the flat Earth, or the height of the 'ice wall' does not have to be infinite to maintain a consistent pressure over a long period of time.  It does have to be very very large, but not infinite. 

Re: Atmoplane
« Reply #38 on: May 06, 2007, 09:12:30 PM »
Until an edge is found Zetetic reasoning assumes that the tundra of ice and snow stretches forever.

Why do you think so many Antarctic explorers have gone missing?
FE: Because the conspiracy shot them.

RE: Because it is really, really cold. And windy.

And what evidence is there to back up your "zetetic" logic? What you just did sounds pretty theoretical to me.
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Re: Atmoplane
« Reply #39 on: May 06, 2007, 09:17:49 PM »
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FE: Because the conspiracy shot them.

RE: Because it is really, really cold. And windy.

And what evidence is there to back up your "zetetic" logic? What you just did sounds pretty theoretical to me.

Why would the Conspiracy need to shoot anyone? There are no guards on the Ice Wall. Only DiegoDraw believes in a army of Ice Wall guards stationed on Antarctica. Anyone is welcome to visit. Those Antarctic explorers went missing because temperatures approach absolute zero the further one explores outwards. Exploration in that type of pitch black freezing environment is impossible for any man or machine.

Edge of the known world: http://uwamrc.ssec.wisc.edu/images/gallery/B15Aedge.jpg

When we visit the Ice Wall we can see that the tundra of ice and snow seems to stretch forever. Until the outer tundra is explored in full we must assume that it is endless.
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Re: Atmoplane
« Reply #40 on: May 06, 2007, 09:44:01 PM »
Until an edge is found Zetetic reasoning percludes that the tundra of ice and snow stretches forever.

Why do you think so many Antarctic explorers have gone missing?
And all the people that came back?
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Re: Atmoplane
« Reply #41 on: May 06, 2007, 09:50:41 PM »
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And all the people that came back?

Who came back? Almost everyone who attempted a crossing either went missing or aborted prematurely.

There is only one man who claims to have made a successful transcontinental crossing of Antarctica. He did it with a plane using "guesswork" since compasses do not work past the Antarctic circle. They spin around wildly because magnetic field lines in the entire area are almost completely vertical.

His plane reached the Antarctic circle and he set off to a T over the Ice Wall. Since it is near impossible to keep a perfectly straight heading without a compass the plane eventually turned degree by degree until it reached the coast again several thousand miles later.
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Re: Atmoplane
« Reply #42 on: May 06, 2007, 10:06:41 PM »
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And all the people that came back?

Who came back? Almost everyone who attempted a crossing went missing or aborted prematurely.

There is only one man who claims to have made a successful transcontinental crossing of Antarctica. He did it with a plane using "guesswork" since compasses do not work past the Antarctic circle. They spin around wildly because magnetic field lines in the entire area are almost completely vertical.

His plane reached the Antarctic circle and he set off to a T over the Ice Wall. Since it is near impossible to keep a perfectly straight heading without a compass the plane eventually turned degree by degree until it reached the coast again several thousand miles later.
Hate to rain on your parade but explorers aren’t the only one that go there. 
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Re: Atmoplane
« Reply #43 on: May 06, 2007, 10:08:46 PM »
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Hate to rain on your parade but explorers aren’t the only one that go there.

That's right. The March of the Penguins was filmed there, too. We can clearly see the Ice Wall in the background of many shots.

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Re: Atmoplane
« Reply #44 on: May 06, 2007, 10:12:29 PM »
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Hate to rain on your parade but explorers aren’t the only one that go there.

That's right. The March of the Penguins was filmed there, too. We can clearly see the Ice Wall in the background of many shots.
As was some of Planet Earth and don't forget all the researchers that are down there.
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Re: Atmoplane
« Reply #45 on: May 07, 2007, 01:27:54 AM »
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So what about the gaseous mixture of oxygen, nitrogen and carbon dioxyde? Why doesn't it leak off of the edge of the Flat Earth, Tom?

Did you read Earth Not a Globe? Past the Ice Wall the tundra of ice and snow stretches perpetually in all directions.

But the FAQ says:
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Q: "What is the circumference and diameter of the Earth?"

A: "Circumference: 78225 miles, Diameter: 24,900 miles

I am starting to think that you are changing the book 'Earth Not a Globe' as you go along, Mr.Bishop.
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Re: Atmoplane
« Reply #46 on: May 07, 2007, 02:12:16 AM »
That's what the FAQ says, not what the book says.

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Re: Atmoplane
« Reply #47 on: May 07, 2007, 02:19:25 AM »
So, why does 'the book' give a different model of the Flat Earth as this Society, when this Society acknowledges the validity of ‘the book’?

Also, please read the difficulties I mentioned about an infinite plane Earth above in this thread.

So, to return to the topic of the thread, it has been concluded that the Flat Earth has to have infinite surface area if it supposed to hold on to its atmolayer.

This means the Universe is divided into two semispaces. One 'below' the Earth (the underworld), from where the Universal Accelerator operates, and one from 'above' the Earth (the heavens), where everything we see is situated.

I draw your attention to a thread posted by 'leclerc' (Is the Moon flat too in FE?), where 'Mr. Ireland' proposed the only possible solution to the problem which was discussed, but that can not work in an infinite Flat Earth.

Also, due to Foucault pandulum, it has become accepted to consider the Earth as rotating about a perpendicular axis through the North Pole. It seems we are a negligable distance from the center of this inifinite plane. There is also the problem of the distance from a rotating center. The greatest distance from the center is:

rmax = c/ω

where ω is the angular velocity of rotation, because points further from this distance would have rotational velocities greater than the speed of light c. Also, as the distance grows larger, the centrifugal tensile stress grows larger, so the Earth would tear apart (unless it is also infinitely thick, which would leave no place for the UA) from these stresses.

Re: Atmoplane
« Reply #48 on: May 07, 2007, 03:42:59 AM »
So, why does 'the book' give a different model of the Flat Earth as this Society, when this Society acknowledges the validity of ‘the book’?
The Society and Tom are not the same thing.
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Re: Atmoplane
« Reply #49 on: May 07, 2007, 03:44:38 AM »
Never mind Mr.Bishop. The Society also quotes this book in the FAQ.

Re: Atmoplane
« Reply #50 on: May 07, 2007, 07:22:16 AM »
So out of all this shit, all I have to ask is the earth can't be infinite because with rotation it would reach speeds past that of the speed of light if it were to extend past a certain point in diameter?

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Re: Atmoplane
« Reply #51 on: May 07, 2007, 08:22:59 AM »
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So what about the gaseous mixture of oxygen, nitrogen and carbon dioxyde? Why doesn't it leak off of the edge of the Flat Earth, Tom?

Did you read Earth Not a Globe? Past the Ice Wall the tundra of ice and snow stretches perpetually in all directions.

But the FAQ says:
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Q: "What is the circumference and diameter of the Earth?"

A: "Circumference: 78225 miles, Diameter: 24,900 miles

I am starting to think that you are changing the book 'Earth Not a Globe' as you go along, Mr.Bishop.

Those are the dimensions of the "known" world. 

Re: Atmoplane
« Reply #52 on: May 07, 2007, 08:34:13 AM »
So there's a huge unknown world now?

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Re: Atmoplane
« Reply #53 on: May 07, 2007, 08:35:57 AM »
So there's a huge unknown world now?
I don't know, it's unknown... But we have never found the edge, so it might go on for a very long distance.

Re: Atmoplane
« Reply #54 on: May 07, 2007, 08:36:37 AM »
There's no edge because the earth is round.

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Re: Atmoplane
« Reply #55 on: May 07, 2007, 08:39:32 AM »
Don't be silly.  This is the place for discussing the Flat Earth. 

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Re: Atmoplane
« Reply #56 on: May 07, 2007, 08:42:26 AM »
The diameter quoted in the FAQ is a figure for the area of the known world - the circle of land upon which the light of the sun touches. No one has returned from exploring the pitch black freezing tundra - a place where compasses do not work and temperatures approach absolute zero.

The Flat Earth does not rotate in Dr. Rowbotham's model. The very title page of the book says that the earth has no orbital or axial motion.
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Re: Atmoplane
« Reply #57 on: May 07, 2007, 08:45:17 AM »
The diameter quoted in the FAQ is a figure for the area of the known world - the circle of land upon which the light of the sun touches. No one has returned from exploring the pitch black freezing tundra.

You don't even know there is a pitch black freezing tundra.

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Re: Atmoplane
« Reply #58 on: May 07, 2007, 08:58:35 AM »
Now he's just pulling shit from out of his ass!

"Pitch-black freezing tundra"?  You silly son of a bitch, Tom!  People have been to ANTARCTICA, the continent, and returned!  There are permanent bases there, for God's sake!

See this link for more information: http://www.70south.com/resources/antarctic-bases

By the way, I measured the perimeter of Antarctica on Google Earth and got only around 11,500 miles.  With all those bases around the perimeter, surely we would know the perimeter of the continent, and if Ross measured 60,000 miles, he was mistaken?
Where did you educate the biology, in toulet?

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Re: Atmoplane
« Reply #59 on: May 07, 2007, 09:01:31 AM »
The perimeter of a continent is a fractal and has no distinct quantity.  The closer you look the longer it gets.