Causality, Determinism, and Free Will ('Tis an illusion!)

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Red Skull

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« Reply #180 on: February 03, 2007, 01:47:55 AM »
I believe in determinism and causality.

And I accept the illusion of free will, so the fact that it doesn't exist doesn't bother me.

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« Reply #181 on: February 03, 2007, 04:51:09 AM »
What is this, The Matrix?

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« Reply #182 on: February 03, 2007, 05:32:38 AM »
What do you mean? ;p

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« Reply #183 on: February 03, 2007, 05:39:15 AM »
Can we ban Red Skull? I find his views offensive.
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« Reply #184 on: February 03, 2007, 05:42:42 AM »
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What do you mean? ;p


"The Illusion of free will."

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« Reply #185 on: February 03, 2007, 06:12:36 AM »
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Can we ban Red Skull? I find his views offensive.

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What do you mean? ;p


"The Illusion of free will."

Yeah well, in the Matrix they have free will.

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« Reply #186 on: February 03, 2007, 06:28:39 AM »
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Can we ban Red Skull? I find his views offensive.

Can we rape Dan's mom? I find her attractive.


I dont think much of your taste in women.
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« Reply #187 on: February 03, 2007, 12:50:30 PM »
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Yeah well, in the Matrix they have free will.


It's just an illusion, at the subconscience level at that.

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« Reply #188 on: February 03, 2007, 01:07:53 PM »
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Yeah well, in the Matrix they have free will.


It's just an illusion, at the subconscience level at that.


In a way, I suppose.  They're free to do whatever they want inside the boundaries of the programming of the matrix.  There's actually more freedom inside the matrix than outside, since you certainly cannot fly outside the matrix (as an example).
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« Reply #189 on: February 03, 2007, 01:09:54 PM »
I'm not completely sure, but didn't that only apply when you realized the confines of the construct? Meaning that once you realize what the matrix was, you then had the ability to bend those rules?

Because one of those subconscience choices was accepting the construct and rules given in the matrix environment, and thus if you didn't accept the construct, you didn't accept the rules.

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« Reply #190 on: February 03, 2007, 01:12:33 PM »
The "super powers" aside, you are still free to do whatever you please inside the matrix.  It might be an illusion, but your choices still affect your life no differently from outside; like choosing to go to college and get a higher education, or flipping burgers all your virtual-life.
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« Reply #191 on: February 03, 2007, 01:16:17 PM »
Yes, I agree when you move the super powers aside.