Foucault's pendulum... stil not refuted

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JurijD

Foucault's pendulum... stil not refuted
« on: April 30, 2007, 01:44:38 AM »
Dear EF'ers

as I understand it you were supposed to have adapted the FE theory to match the fact that Foucault's pendulum changes its plane of rotation due to the Earth's rotation.

This change was supposed to involve the flat Earth rotating around its center (north pole) so that it would be able to create this effect. In this changed FE version the Sun is to remain stationary.

well... I did a search and noone seems to have said that this change DOES NOT FIX THE PROBLEM with FE theory.

See here a couple of simple drawings I made to illustrate my point withouth any math required to understand them:



If we have a round (spehrical) Earth Foucault's pendulum behaves exactly the same at the same distance from the equator (same lattitude) - points A and B. This means that at the same lattitude the pendulum rotates at the same speed - because the surface velocities at these lattitudes are of course the same for a round Earth. V1 = V2.



If we on the other hand had a flat Earth, the pendulum would have to spin FASTER at a lattitude below the equator (near the south "pole") since the surface velocitiy of a spinning flat Earth there would have to be faster. V2 > V1.

There is no way around this on a flat Earth. You cannot "solve" the problem of Foucault's pendulum by simply saying the flat Earth ROTATES... because the rotation of a flat surface such as the flat Earth does not produce the same effects (surface velocities) as does a RE rotation.

unless of course you say that difference slices of the Earth's surface move agaist each other so that if I move a couple of km to the north I'll see my southern friend drift to the east:D hehe. So AGAIN your FE would SPIN itself apart if you tried to match your FE theory to reality ... a reccuring theme in my examples I see ;) somewhat ironic also ;)

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Bushido

Re: Foucault's pendulum... stil not refuted
« Reply #1 on: April 30, 2007, 02:05:04 AM »
The questions you pose have been posted time and again on these forums, but they always found the same reply, none.

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JurijD

Re: Foucault's pendulum... stil not refuted
« Reply #2 on: April 30, 2007, 02:28:38 AM »
as far as I could tell the question of why Foucault's pendulum spins has been posted and the "reply" was that they have modified the FE theory.

I could not find a post about how this specific FE theory modification is not valid in the sense I posted about.

that is why I made the post

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Bushido

Re: Foucault's pendulum... stil not refuted
« Reply #3 on: April 30, 2007, 02:33:03 AM »
don't expect a reply  :)

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sokarul

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Re: Foucault's pendulum... stil not refuted
« Reply #4 on: April 30, 2007, 05:21:48 AM »
I cant believe Tom said the Foucault Pendulum was broken and thats why it rotated less at different latitudes.
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Mr. Ireland

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Re: Foucault's pendulum... stil not refuted
« Reply #5 on: April 30, 2007, 06:00:04 AM »
Tom just wants something to be broken with him.  But maybe we'll get a logical response this time.

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Bushido

Re: Foucault's pendulum... stil not refuted
« Reply #6 on: April 30, 2007, 06:07:41 AM »
I certainly doubt it. The Foucault experiment was precisely intended to demonstrate that:
1) The Earth is rotating about its axis;
2) Only a rotation of a sphere is consistent with experimental data.

If FE-ers want to explain the Foucault experiment, they would have to come up with a novel mechanics (they're trying to do that with the theory of gravitation, but without any success). After all, the RE model was accepted by the Ancients even before Physics was constituted as a science.

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Mr. Ireland

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Re: Foucault's pendulum... stil not refuted
« Reply #7 on: April 30, 2007, 06:16:47 AM »
Maybe the FE is a sphere?  It seems to get closer to RE with every answer, so maybe its entire shape will change.

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Re: Foucault's pendulum... stil not refuted
« Reply #8 on: May 01, 2007, 10:39:03 AM »
Foucalt is just part of the conspiracy, and so is his stupid pendulum!


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Re: Foucault's pendulum... stil not refuted
« Reply #9 on: May 02, 2007, 04:18:27 PM »
Tom keeps on saying that people have performed the Foucalt pendulum experiment and got results that contradict a rotating sphere, but I have yet to see him actually refer us to these experiments...
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Re: Foucault's pendulum... stil not refuted
« Reply #10 on: May 03, 2007, 03:12:54 PM »
He did them, with a marble on a piece of string...hanging from his hand.

Tom never has experimental evidence except E:NAG. Isn't that so Thomas Bishopson?
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