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List of FE illusions
« on: April 28, 2007, 04:10:54 AM »
Here is a list of illusions in a flat earth theory. Please add up anything that I miss

1) What about sunrises-sunsets?

It's a illusion. The sun actually gets farther away.

2)Illuminated clouds appear before sunrise over the curvature of the Earth.

From narcberry: The same horizon illusion due to the earths acceleration also explains the cloud effect.

3)From narcberry: You look out at the sea. If the horizon was curved, then the highest point would be directly in front of you. Now rotate your body a little to the right. Now the horizons highest point is to the right of its previous location. If such an anomaly existed, it is clearly an optical illusion.

4)From I'm not Tom Bishop but I can't prove it:People have been brainwashed into "seeing" curvature where there is none.  I bet if you drew a straight line with a ruler on the board, all these people would see curvature.

5)From dogplatter: If you fly in a plane and see curvature which isn't there even by the admission of round Earthers, it just goes to show how sickeningly effective the conspiracy is at making you believe in their lies.

6)From narcberry: Well you are quite right to observe this. This is however countered by the fact that our eyes actually observe things to be upside down, our brains counter this. This is why the horizon appears to be just the opposite of what you would expect.

7)From Dr. Rowbotham: astronomy is a 'juggle and a jumble of fancies and falsehoods; an elaborate theoretical trick '

8) from Tom Bishop: The sinking ship effect people see is a natural law of perspective



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Re: List of FE illusions
« Reply #1 on: April 28, 2007, 01:02:32 PM »
How many optical illusions is there in the round earth? None.
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« Reply #2 on: April 28, 2007, 03:25:43 PM »
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How many optical illusions is there in the round earth?

Round Earth illusions:

    Afterglow
    Airglow
    Alexander's band
    Alpenglow
    Anticrepuscular rays
    Aurora Borealis
    Ball Lightening
    Belt of Venus
    Blue Jets
    Blue Moons
    Cafe Wall Illusion
    Circumzenithal arc
    Crepuscular rays
    Crepuscular rays
    Diffraction of light
    Earthquake lights
    Fata Morgana
    Floaters
    Full circle rainbows
    Gegenschein
    Ghost Lights
    Glories
    Green Sun
    Haidinger's brush
    Hering's Illusion
    Hessdalen lights
    Iridescence
    Large Sun at the horizon
    Light Pillar
    Light of Saratoga
    Mirages
    Min Min lights
    Monocular diplopia (or polyplopia)
    Night Rainbows
    Opposition effect
    Phosphenes from stimulation other than by light (e.g., mechanical, electrical)
    Purkinje images
    Rainbows
    Ray scattering
    Refraction
    Shadow set
    Ship sinking over horizon
    Summer Moon Illusion
    Sun Dogs
    Sun Halos
    Sun Pillars
    Sylvanshine
    The Green ray
    The Marfa Lights
    Thunderstorm Elves
    Thunderstorm Sprites
    Tyndall effect
    Zodiacal light

Et cetera, Et cetera.
« Last Edit: April 28, 2007, 03:30:34 PM by Tom Bishop »
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Re: List of FE illusions
« Reply #3 on: April 28, 2007, 03:27:49 PM »
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Did this make anyone laugh? Just me then...
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Re: List of FE illusions
« Reply #4 on: April 28, 2007, 03:29:33 PM »
Tommy, are you well?

I phound phloaters phunny too.
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Re: List of FE illusions
« Reply #5 on: April 28, 2007, 03:30:35 PM »
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Summer Moon Illusion

What's that?
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Re: List of FE illusions
« Reply #6 on: April 28, 2007, 03:53:14 PM »
Quote from: Tom Bishop on April 28, 2007, 03:25:43 PM
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How many optical illusions is there in the round earth?

Round Earth illusions:

    Afterglow
    Airglow
    Alexander's band
    Alpenglow
    Anticrepuscular rays
    Aurora Borealis
    Ball Lightening
    Belt of Venus
    Blue Jets
    Blue Moons
    Cafe Wall Illusion
    Circumzenithal arc
    Crepuscular rays
    Crepuscular rays
    Diffraction of light
    Earthquake lights
    Fata Morgana
    Floaters
    Full circle rainbows
    Gegenschein
    Ghost Lights
    Glories
    Green Sun
    Haidinger's brush
    Hering's Illusion
    Hessdalen lights
    Iridescence
    Large Sun at the horizon
    Light Pillar
    Light of Saratoga
    Mirages
    Min Min lights
    Monocular diplopia (or polyplopia)
    Night Rainbows
    Opposition effect
    Phosphenes from stimulation other than by light (e.g., mechanical, electrical)
    Purkinje images
    Rainbows
    Ray scattering
    Refraction
    Shadow set
    Ship sinking over horizon
    Summer Moon Illusion
    Sun Dogs
    Sun Halos
    Sun Pillars
    Sylvanshine
    The Green ray
    The Marfa Lights
    Thunderstorm Elves
    Thunderstorm Sprites
    Tyndall effect
    Zodiacal light

Et cetera, Et cetera.


Thank god these have nothing to do with proving the world flat.  Or leclrec would have been owned 1000x more than he already has.
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Re: List of FE illusions
« Reply #7 on: April 28, 2007, 04:02:15 PM »
Leclrec is implying that the only "illusions" are in FE.

But guess what: The sinking ship effect in RE is still an illusion. The ship does not really sink.

Flat Earth Theory perfectly and accurately explains each and every one of its properties and effects. Its "illusions" are necessities of perception.
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Re: List of FE illusions
« Reply #8 on: April 28, 2007, 04:05:02 PM »
Sinking ship isn't an illusion in RE, it's a ship going below the horizon, no illusion there
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Re: List of FE illusions
« Reply #9 on: April 28, 2007, 04:08:37 PM »
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Sinking ship isn't an illusion in RE, it's a ship going below the horizon, no illusion there

Yes it is. The ship isn't really sinking into the ocean. It's an "illusion" which stems from the earth's assumed rotundity.

The sinking ship effect in FE is perfectly explained, and makes just as much sense as the imagined curvature of the earth.
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Re: List of FE illusions
« Reply #10 on: April 28, 2007, 04:09:26 PM »
Curvature makes more sense to me than "waves make it look like the ship is sinking"
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« Reply #11 on: April 28, 2007, 04:12:35 PM »
Consider a 3D model with an infinite perfectly flat plane. Any receding object on the surface gets smaller and smaller the more distant it gets, right? At the edge of the horizon, any imperfect increase in height, no matter how minuscule, will obscure the object from the bottom up as it shrinks into the distance.

At the horizon there are hundreds of waves, creating a distinct line to the horizon. This means that as the ship shrinks into the horizon it must also sink into mean height of the combined waves. The smaller the ship gets into the distance, the more the waves at the false edge of the horizon will obscure its hull from the bottom up.

Dr. Samuel Birley Rowbotham found that the vanishing point of the horizon is slightly below the edge of the horizon due the mean combined height of the waves.

It makes perfect sense. Would you like an illustration?
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« Reply #12 on: April 28, 2007, 04:15:12 PM »
Yeah draw me a picture bitch

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« Reply #13 on: April 28, 2007, 04:21:55 PM »
 :'( :'( I'm tired of all the fighting!  When are we just gonna be a FAMILY again? :'(
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« Reply #14 on: April 28, 2007, 04:29:39 PM »
*points Roundy towards a thread in general discussion*

And we were never a family. And I meant bitch in a loving way, I call all my favourite people bitch.
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« Reply #15 on: April 28, 2007, 04:45:04 PM »
The problem with Tom's assumptions is that a 6ft person standing on the shore observing sunset would have to be seeing waves at least 6ft in height (or 5'10, whatever his/her eye level was) in order for them to obscure the sun, whatever the distance. A person sitting in a lighthouse would have to be looking at lighthouse-sized waves etc. I did draw a picture, but then Tom 'corrected' it.  ::)
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« Reply #16 on: April 28, 2007, 04:46:19 PM »
Draw another picture then, cos I want pictures. For me please.
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« Reply #17 on: April 28, 2007, 04:54:07 PM »
I'll have a go....
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« Reply #18 on: April 28, 2007, 04:55:01 PM »
Go on then bitch





(bitch is meant in a loving way before you go getting upset)
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« Reply #19 on: April 28, 2007, 04:55:28 PM »
 ;)
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« Reply #20 on: April 28, 2007, 04:58:23 PM »
Well go on then. I'm waiting. And stop fucking winking at me or I'll get the wrong idea!
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« Reply #21 on: April 28, 2007, 05:09:40 PM »
Don't take offence at the wink, it was a knowing wink not a dirty wink!  ;D
Anywhere here's your picture...

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« Reply #22 on: April 28, 2007, 05:12:05 PM »
Damn, wanted a dirty wink.

And good picture, you are so very artistic. Lets just wait til Tom "fixes" it.
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« Reply #23 on: April 28, 2007, 05:16:47 PM »
 ;)

That one's dirty.

Tom, before you attempt a picture correction, take note that the picture is drawn from a side-on perspective so it is a cross-section of the world. The sun is always the same height as FE theory dictates.
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« Reply #24 on: April 28, 2007, 05:19:19 PM »
Yay dirty wink!  ;)

Tom will just say the perspective thing is the same side on
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« Reply #25 on: April 28, 2007, 05:20:30 PM »
Sadly that would be a lie. Tom must know these things really. I shouldn't call it a picture, more a 'diagram'.
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« Reply #26 on: April 28, 2007, 05:24:10 PM »
Ok it's a diagram.

Right *waits for a Tom response*
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« Reply #27 on: April 28, 2007, 08:48:14 PM »
There is no way he can rebut that. It makes perfect sense. Nice diagram by the way  :D
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« Reply #28 on: April 28, 2007, 11:48:46 PM »
Don't even bother.

Go back to the previous thread and reread my responses and look again at the illustrations I provided. I'm just going to tell you exactly the same thing, Gin.

- The vanishing point is at eye level with the observer, at the edge of the horizon.

- All receding objects overhead must appear to decline in altitude until they reach the vanishing point.

- The sea level of the earth must appear to incline in altitude until it reaches the vanishing point.

- Everything converges at the vanishing point.

Take a perspectives class sometime.
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« Reply #29 on: April 29, 2007, 01:22:29 AM »
Come off it Tom - his drawing is a representation of the actual height of the sun from the waves at all times. It only appears to sink when you view it head on. But what if someone OFF the FE, floating in space (which I know you can't believe but just hypothesise) were to look side-on at the world. They would see what Gin shows us. Now use your crappy persepective argument, becuase what Gin has drawn is EXACTLY that, just zoomed in.
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