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Mr. Ireland

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Re: Earth-like planet found
« Reply #30 on: May 01, 2007, 06:07:10 AM »
Well is the earth doesn't move...  Than what makes the "stars" to move, the sun, the moon, and what causes "gravity"?
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Max Fagin

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Re: Earth-like planet found
« Reply #31 on: May 01, 2007, 06:35:06 AM »
Quote from: Raa on April 30, 2007, 08:16:19 PM
the earth does not move! when are you people going to stop not believing great writings - see "phaedos", 'the last days of socrates' - see the bible -- see www.freewebs.com/raacoz -- but the planets are circling horizontally above us within 100 miles above sea-level.

Raa,

My point was not to argue for the Earth motion (although I would if you asked me to.)  My point was to point out that the method used to detect Gleise-581-a does not require the observation of stellar parallax, and would work regardless of the Earths motion, something that Tom didn't seem to accept.
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Re: Earth-like planet found
« Reply #32 on: May 01, 2007, 06:39:50 AM »
Nor care about.
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Re: Earth-like planet found
« Reply #33 on: May 01, 2007, 10:52:34 AM »
Quote from: Max Fagin on May 01, 2007, 06:35:06 AM
Quote from: Raa on April 30, 2007, 08:16:19 PM
the earth does not move! when are you people going to stop not believing great writings - see "phaedos", 'the last days of socrates' - see the bible -- see www.freewebs.com/raacoz -- but the planets are circling horizontally above us within 100 miles above sea-level.

Raa,

My point was not to argue for the Earth motion (although I would if you asked me to.)  My point was to point out that the method used to detect Gleise-581-a does not require the observation of stellar parallax, and would work regardless of the Earths motion, something that Tom didn't seem to accept.

Max, max max  max, I think that I was pointing out the belief which is required in a human being, before he looks up on high. 
May The Lord Bestow Blessings on Whom Thou Wilteths!
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Max Fagin

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Re: Earth-like planet found
« Reply #34 on: May 01, 2007, 01:00:07 PM »
Quote from: Raa on May 01, 2007, 10:52:34 AM
Max, max max  max, I think that I was pointing out the belief which is required in a human being, before he looks up on high. 
May The Lord Bestow Blessings on Whom Thou Wilteths!

You think someone has to belive the Earth to be round before they can look at the sky?  You've made some pretty outlandish statements Raa, but that one would top it.

Gliese 581-a is real extra-solar planet; its detection is valid regardless of the shape or motion of the Earth.
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Amroth

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Re: Earth-like planet found
« Reply #35 on: May 01, 2007, 03:14:00 PM »
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RE_Davie

Re: Earth-like planet found
« Reply #36 on: May 01, 2007, 07:33:07 PM »
So whats this about the earth dont move? and tom dont ever answer any of my questions I want somebody who can tell me why this therory about the earth not moving is real and why this new planet is not real. Dont tell me to read the faq's either, I have and they confused me even more. and I am not reading that book either. So explain to me in real person talk instead of FE talk. Make me understand all of this crazyiness
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Mr. Ireland

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Re: Earth-like planet found
« Reply #37 on: May 02, 2007, 05:41:03 AM »
This earth not moving thing came out of nowhere, it's confusing me too.
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Amroth

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Re: Earth-like planet found
« Reply #38 on: May 02, 2007, 05:49:29 AM »
I don't think I saw anyone say that the new planet isn't real... If they did then they are just teasing FE.
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Raa

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Re: Earth-like planet found
« Reply #39 on: May 02, 2007, 09:01:36 AM »
Quote from: Max Fagin on May 01, 2007, 01:00:07 PM
Quote from: Raa on May 01, 2007, 10:52:34 AM
Max, max max  max, I think that I was pointing out the belief which is required in a human being, before he looks up on high. 
May The Lord Bestow Blessings on Whom Thou Wilteths!

You think someone has to belive the Earth to be round before they can look at the sky?  You've made some pretty outlandish statements Raa, but that one would top it.

Gliese 581-a is real extra-solar planet; its detection is valid regardless of the shape or motion of the Earth.

max  max madmax.. I see you haven't read Phaedos or the Bible or Raacoz.. They all confirm the flatness and stability of the Earth. The only outlandish statement i would ever make would be 'the earth is round', and I would never say that
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Saddam Hussein

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Re: Earth-like planet found
« Reply #40 on: May 02, 2007, 09:52:35 AM »
Quote from: Amroth on May 02, 2007, 05:49:29 AM
I don't think I saw anyone say that the new planet isn't real... If they did then they are just teasing FE.

This "new planet" is a lie from the conspiracy to make an FE seem inplausible.
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Raa

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Re: Earth-like planet found
« Reply #41 on: May 02, 2007, 09:56:29 AM »
I see what you mean, and I end up keepin' on fightin' them.
Maybe we're the new 300
Or Davids' 600
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Amroth

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Re: Earth-like planet found
« Reply #42 on: May 02, 2007, 10:09:55 AM »
Quote from: The Government Is Lying on May 02, 2007, 09:52:35 AM
Quote from: Amroth on May 02, 2007, 05:49:29 AM
I don't think I saw anyone say that the new planet isn't real... If they did then they are just teasing FE.

This "new planet" is a lie from the conspiracy to make an FE seem inplausible.


No... The FE theory doesn't say there aren't other planets just they aren't as far away as they are stated.
And if it does say that then yes you can easily make up a planet to put doubt in the theory... welll more doubt than already.



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Raa

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Re: Earth-like planet found
« Reply #43 on: May 02, 2007, 10:18:31 AM »
yes i agree!
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Saddam Hussein

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Re: Earth-like planet found
« Reply #44 on: May 02, 2007, 10:19:18 AM »
Quote from: Amroth on May 02, 2007, 10:09:55 AM
Quote from: The Government Is Lying on May 02, 2007, 09:52:35 AM
Quote from: Amroth on May 02, 2007, 05:49:29 AM
I don't think I saw anyone say that the new planet isn't real... If they did then they are just teasing FE.

This "new planet" is a lie from the conspiracy to make an FE seem inplausible.


No... The FE theory doesn't say there aren't other planets just they aren't as far away as they are stated.
And if it does say that then yes you can easily make up a planet to put doubt in the theory... welll more doubt than possible.

Come on.  I was just kidding.
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sanity

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Re: Earth-like planet found
« Reply #45 on: May 02, 2007, 10:20:32 AM »
Quote from: The Government Is Lying on May 02, 2007, 10:19:18 AM
Quote from: Amroth on May 02, 2007, 10:09:55 AM
Quote from: The Government Is Lying on May 02, 2007, 09:52:35 AM
Quote from: Amroth on May 02, 2007, 05:49:29 AM
I don't think I saw anyone say that the new planet isn't real... If they did then they are just teasing FE.

This "new planet" is a lie from the conspiracy to make an FE seem inplausible.


No... The FE theory doesn't say there aren't other planets just they aren't as far away as they are stated.
And if it does say that then yes you can easily make up a planet to put doubt in the theory... welll more doubt than possible.

Come on.  I was just kidding.
You know, it's better to tell the truth than try - and fail - to lie yout way out of things. You weren't joking, you're just ignorant of your own theory.
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Raa

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Re: Earth-like planet found
« Reply #46 on: May 02, 2007, 10:23:11 AM »
"Come on.  I was just kidding."
---just like your avatar
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Amroth

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Re: Earth-like planet found
« Reply #47 on: May 02, 2007, 10:23:51 AM »
I know you were just kidding  ;D


But Sanity... don't be dumb... please I don't feel like putting another troll to shame. Not that I have put any trolls to shame yet.
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Saddam Hussein

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Re: Earth-like planet found
« Reply #48 on: May 02, 2007, 10:38:00 AM »
Quote from: Raa on May 02, 2007, 10:23:11 AM
"Come on.  I was just kidding."
---just like your avatar

My avatar is cool!  It shows Jar Jar Binks in pain!
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Amroth

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Re: Earth-like planet found
« Reply #49 on: May 02, 2007, 12:27:00 PM »
Jar Jar Binks pisses me off... just looking at your avatar pisses me off  >:(
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Raa

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Re: Earth-like planet found
« Reply #50 on: May 02, 2007, 08:19:59 PM »
He looks like the average USA citizen regretting something

lol

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sanity

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Re: Earth-like planet found
« Reply #51 on: May 03, 2007, 10:50:14 AM »
Quote from: Amroth on May 02, 2007, 10:23:51 AM
But Sanity... don't be dumb... please I don't feel like putting another troll to shame. Not that I have put any trolls to shame yet.
There's a difference between trolling and having a degree in psychology which makes it more than just easy to see these type of things. Please, feel free to boast and brag and say you have more experience than an expert whose job it is but it's like Tom trying to take on someone who has hard evidence that the Earth is round. In other words, too pathetic to be annoying so merely ammusing for a short while.
Also, even if he was only kidding - which I'm surprised and slightly disappointed to see you've fallen for, I'm sad to say - there's a difference between what I did and trolling, don't you think? In fact, your post much sooner would qualify than trolling on any of the forums I've ever been on, be it as admin, mod or a member.
It's not like I insulted him, is it? On the off-chance that he was kidding why would it bother him? It wouldn't, he would just laugh at my foolishness. By you saying that it's trolling you're fairly much admitting that he wasn't joking.
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Raa

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Re: Earth-like planet found
« Reply #52 on: May 03, 2007, 02:26:53 PM »
At least mankind is on the planet
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Max Fagin

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Re: Earth-like planet found
« Reply #53 on: May 04, 2007, 09:27:15 AM »
Can we get back to the topic at hand please?

Quote from: Tom Bishop on April 27, 2007, 03:37:16 PM
Its not a planet. Astronomers are still assuming a Round Earth in their parallax equations.

Tom, I still haven't heard a response from you.  Based on my previous posts, do you understand now why stellar parallax was not required to discover the planet around Gliese 581, or to measure it's properties?  Do you understand why the method used to discover Gliese 581-c works independently of accurate measurements of the AU and Earth's velocity around the sun?
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Raa

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Re: Earth-like planet found
« Reply #54 on: May 04, 2007, 04:29:40 PM »
there is no water higher than 100 miles above sea-level
if an object in the 'sky' does not twinkle, it is a planet within 100 miles
if an object twinkles, it is a star way the 'sexual intercourse' out there
stellar parralex is only light reflexions between tiny planets {2" to 20' in diameter} in the visual path of a star
I can't imagine what you guys think of me now  :(
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Max Fagin

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Re: Earth-like planet found
« Reply #55 on: May 06, 2007, 12:29:42 PM »
Quote from: Tom Bishop on April 28, 2007, 03:43:59 PM
Actually Fagin, you're entirely incorrect.

Tom, you seemed perfectly willing to discus this issue and defend your position a week ago.

I have provided a very careful and point-by-point refutation of your last post.  Can you please address your erroneous statements regarding the need for stellar parallax to detect and measure the properties of Gliese 581-c?
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Raa

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Re: Earth-like planet found
« Reply #56 on: May 06, 2007, 05:36:00 PM »
Yes,
I'd like to discard them also    :)
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Re: Earth-like planet found
« Reply #57 on: May 07, 2007, 12:04:50 AM »
Quote from: Raa on May 04, 2007, 04:29:40 PM
there is no water higher than 100 miles above sea-level
if an object in the 'sky' does not twinkle, it is a planet within 100 miles
if an object twinkles, it is a star way the 'sexual intercourse' out there
stellar parralex is only light reflexions between tiny planets {2" to 20' in diameter} in the visual path of a star
I can't imagine what you guys think of me now  :(


So water makes things twinkle? 
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Humboldt

Re: Earth-like planet found
« Reply #58 on: May 07, 2007, 05:32:53 AM »
It seems that Tom has given up this argument.  However, Max, I am very interested to hear more about these "independent methods" of determining the AU.  If the AU can be verified without assuming the sphericity of the Earth, then it proves that Rowbotham's much smaller value for the distance between the Earth and Sun is incorrect.  This would greatly damage the FE position.  Can you shed more light on this?  Thanks.
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Raa

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Re: Earth-like planet found
« Reply #59 on: May 07, 2007, 05:57:46 AM »
Quote from: EvilToothpaste on May 07, 2007, 12:04:50 AM
Quote from: Raa on May 04, 2007, 04:29:40 PM
there is no water higher than 100 miles above sea-level
if an object in the 'sky' does not twinkle, it is a planet within 100 miles
if an object twinkles, it is a star way the 'sexual intercourse' out there
stellar parralex is only light reflexions between tiny planets {2" to 20' in diameter} in the visual path of a star
I can't imagine what you guys think of me now  :(

So water makes things twinkle? 
no. Water is completly frozen within the 100 miles vertical distance. any higher and it is no longer water but a molecular structure without essence [or molecular movement]
-stars seem to twinkle- what that is, is this. when you look at the stars and you see them twinkling, that is the passing by of a very large meteor shower which is below a very large meteor cloud. The meteor cloud has holes in it and sun-light pores through them. {the sun is above the meteor cloud}. mankind calls it star light because this light has 2 sources 1)the sun and 2)celestial beings //// S from 'sun'  T from celestial, celest meaning sky and AR from arc, like archangels...----the twinkling is from the meteor shower which passes between us and the cloud
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