Earth-like planet found

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Earth-like planet found
« on: April 27, 2007, 02:21:53 PM »
Earth isn't that special after all...

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Re: Earth-like planet found
« Reply #1 on: April 27, 2007, 02:23:07 PM »
Wow, I haven't seen anything about this here yet!
Where did you educate the biology, in toulet?

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Re: Earth-like planet found
« Reply #2 on: April 27, 2007, 02:28:02 PM »
An earth-like planet?  What, there is another flat earth floating up there somewhere? This sounds like part of the conspiracy to me.  If they can "prove" another sphere up there that looks like earth, then it makes a round earth more believable.


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« Reply #3 on: April 27, 2007, 02:32:49 PM »
And what benefit do they actually get by announcing that there is an earth-like planet?
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« Reply #4 on: April 27, 2007, 03:31:35 PM »
And what benefit do they actually get by announcing that there is an earth-like planet?

The benefit of the doubt.

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Re: Earth-like planet found
« Reply #5 on: April 27, 2007, 03:37:16 PM »
Its not a planet. Astronomers are still assuming a Round Earth in their parallax equations.

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Re: Earth-like planet found
« Reply #6 on: April 27, 2007, 03:41:03 PM »
Because being on a Round Earth distorts the shapes of other celestial bodies how exactly? Not their distance, their shape. You can see that mars is a sphere because you can observe it rotate, with a mysterious source of light illuminating one surface...
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« Reply #7 on: April 27, 2007, 04:07:26 PM »
The sun is above the atmosphere, so I'm sure the light could reach mars.  Although don't hold me to it.

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Re: Earth-like planet found
« Reply #8 on: April 27, 2007, 04:09:57 PM »
Because being on a Round Earth distorts the shapes of other celestial bodies how exactly? Not their distance, their shape. You can see that mars is a sphere because you can observe it rotate, with a mysterious source of light illuminating one surface...
He has to attack anything that goes against the Fe.  There are many other planets that astronomers know about.  Tom doesn't know about them because he isn't an astronomer.  I think we would know more about space if everything was only 4,000 miles away. 
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Re: Earth-like planet found
« Reply #9 on: April 27, 2007, 04:10:58 PM »
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The sun is above the atmosphere, so I'm sure the light could reach mars.  Although don't hold me to it.

Indeed it could, but you could easily determine the sun's angle on mars and show that it really wasn't 3000 miles away. Don't leap on this Tom I'm not claiming it's proof.

Besides, how do you explain the apparent rotation of the planets? Their spherical shape? The reason for them, the moon or the sun to be formed differently from the Earth?
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« Reply #10 on: April 27, 2007, 04:12:24 PM »
Besides, how do you explain the apparent rotation of the planets? Their spherical shape? The reason for them, the moon or the sun to be formed differently from the Earth?

Yea, that's one of the bigger problems with FE theory.

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« Reply #11 on: April 27, 2007, 04:17:09 PM »
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Its not a planet.

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Re: Earth-like planet found
« Reply #12 on: April 27, 2007, 04:23:03 PM »
That planet is a lie from the conspiracy.  I know because I am in the conspiracy.

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« Reply #13 on: April 28, 2007, 03:15:57 AM »
Its not a planet. Astronomers are still assuming a Round Earth in their parallax equations.

Lol but what kind of benefit could the conspiracy possibly get by telling everyone that kind of planet exists?
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« Reply #14 on: April 28, 2007, 03:18:59 AM »
That's an easy one. A discovery like this means that NASA gets more funding - the conspiracy will get richer.
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« Reply #15 on: April 28, 2007, 03:22:54 AM »
Well why didn't they do that before then?
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Re: Earth-like planet found
« Reply #16 on: April 28, 2007, 03:25:48 AM »
Its not a planet. Astronomers are still assuming a Round Earth in their parallax equations.

Why do you think that is? Perhaps, because it is? No, it's because they, along with everyone else, are part of the conspiracy. Even your cat. It's too late to save us, you must save youself. Flee!

Now that she's gone, that sounds cool.
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« Reply #17 on: April 28, 2007, 03:34:29 PM »
Its not a planet. Astronomers are still assuming a Round Earth in their parallax equations.

I'm sorry, but Tom Bishop is wrong on this point.

This planet was not detected by stellar parallax, or planetary parallax, or by any observation of the parallax phenomena.  This planet was detected by observing the change in radial velocity that it has induced on its parent star, which was in turn precisely measured by examining the Doppler shift of the stars spectral lines.  No parallax required.

This is a tried and true method that has helped us detect hundreds of extra-solar planets in observatories all around the world.  It is such a fantastically powerful tool because it tells us the planets distance, orbital period, and provided we know the plane of the stars rotation, it's mass.

Also, a few planets that have been detected by this method have later had their existence re-confirmed by watching them transit (pass in front of) their parent star.  Once the planet's period and plane of rotation is known, it then let's us make incredibly accurate predictions about its location, and when exactly these transits will occur, providing an powerful confirmation of this method.
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Re: Earth-like planet found
« Reply #18 on: April 28, 2007, 03:43:59 PM »
Actually Fagin, you're entirely incorrect.

- Doppler shift does not tell one distance or size of a celestial body. Only if the object is moving near or far.

- Doppler calculations rely on accurate distances for the AU and an accurate distance for the Parsec.

- All astronomical distances are attained through parallax. The distance to that planetoid's star was obtained through parallax.

- Size calculations are determined through the degrees of sky the star takes up.

- Parallax relies on an accurate distance for the AU.

- Parallax relies on the assumption of the earth revolving around the sun.

- The Parsec is just multiples of the AU.

- The AU is intimately dependent on the shape of the earth.

- If the AU is incorrect then the entire universe is incorrect.

Simple as that.
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« Reply #19 on: April 28, 2007, 04:15:42 PM »
- Doppler shift does not tell one distance or size of a celestial body. Only if the object is moving near or far.

Quite true.  I never claimed that Doppler shift could tell the distance between us and another object.

- All astronomical distances are attained through parallax. The distance to that planetoid's star was obtained through parallax.

Parallax is not the only tool we have to measure stellar distances, see below.

- Parallax relies on an accurate distance for the AU.

- Parallax relies on the assumption of the earth revolving around the sun.

- The Parsec is just multiples of the AU.

- The AU is intimately dependent on the shape of the earth.

All true. But as I said, the parallax method is not the only way we have to determine the distance to a star.  There is another highly confirmed method called spectroscopic parallax, which, despite the name, has nothing to do with measuring physical parallax of the star, and would still work regardless of the Earths motion.

In short, spectroscopic parallax makes use of the known relationship between a stars spectral type (it's color) and it's luminosity.  We know how bright Gliese 581 would be if we were standing 10 parsecs away (what we call it's absolute magnitude) and we know how much light we actually do receive from Gliese 581 (it's apparent magnitude.)  We also know Gliese 581's color (or more precisely, it's peak wavelength) by simply taking a spectrum of it's light.

Applying the relationship, we can now figure out how far away Gliese 581 is, and it agrees very well with the regular parallax method.

- Size is determined through the degrees of sky the star takes up.

All stars (with the exception of the sun) as seen from Earth are point sources of light.  You cannot infer a stars size from its angular width because it's angular width is to small to be measured.


- If the AU is incorrect then the entire universe is incorrect.

True, but the AU isn't incorrect.  We have independent ways of measuring it, I will give you a more detailed description of some of the methods if you like.

- Doppler calculations rely on accurate distances for the AU and an accurate distance for the Parsec.

No they don't.  Measurements of the Doppler shift of an objects spectral lines can be made without knowing the distance. Where did you get that idea?
« Last Edit: April 29, 2007, 03:20:07 PM by Max Fagin »
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Re: Earth-like planet found
« Reply #20 on: April 30, 2007, 12:09:46 PM »
Tom, do you understand now why parallax was not needed to discover the planet around Gliese 581, and why the Earth shape or motion has no effect on the method used to measure it's properties?
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Re: Earth-like planet found
« Reply #21 on: April 30, 2007, 08:16:19 PM »
the earth does not move! when are you people going to stop not believing great writings - see "phaedos", 'the last days of socrates' - see the bible -- see www.freewebs.com/raacoz -- but the planets are circling horizontally above us within 100 miles above sea-level. the earth is infinitly large and suspended by balance pressure. the only reason it is earth-like is because it comes from the earth / and will probably come falling through one of our roofs because of this 'flat-earth warming' crisis. hey talkin' about flat-earth warmin' , anybody got proof that it might be the fault of HAARP?
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Re: Earth-like planet found
« Reply #22 on: April 30, 2007, 09:00:44 PM »
Oh, wow, everyone's come back! How are you Max and Raa? (Sorry to go off topic)

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Re: Earth-like planet found
« Reply #23 on: April 30, 2007, 09:04:10 PM »
fine brother fine, actually i'm feeling more intelligent. noticed your avatar looks more ..... hmmm
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« Reply #24 on: April 30, 2007, 09:25:59 PM »
Gah!!! Make sure you read the caption!!!! :D

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« Reply #25 on: April 30, 2007, 09:31:03 PM »
hey rick its midnight over here- what time is it over there? i'm tired and will crash soon. you don't have to answer, i know its day time over there.  ;D
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Re: Earth-like planet found
« Reply #26 on: April 30, 2007, 09:48:11 PM »
It's 10 to 3 in the afternoon on Tuesday here :D

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Re: Earth-like planet found
« Reply #27 on: May 01, 2007, 12:57:48 AM »
Oh, wow, everyone's come back! How are you Max and Raa? (Sorry to go off topic)

 :o  You went off topic!! You're not allowed to go off topic in the serious forums!  >:(
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« Reply #28 on: May 01, 2007, 01:37:32 AM »
I never realised before just how many planets we've discovered, I thought there was like 8 or 9 exo-solar planets, wow that's cool.

Please tell astronomers to think up better names though, All we have at the moments are co-ordinates we need to start naming them, even if it's just the name of the astronomer who discovered it. Seriously Gliese 281-a or whatever? RUBBISH! Call it Vulcan or something  >:(

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« Reply #29 on: May 01, 2007, 03:47:53 AM »
How about calling it Brian? That's a good name for a planet.
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