# the earth and the sun

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#### ﮎingulaЯiτy

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##### Re: the earth and the sun
« Reply #30 on: April 23, 2007, 08:40:18 AM »
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Sooo.. the sun is halfway through its lifespan both in RE and FE? That would mean that it burns just as long with only 1/731,268,011 the fuel?

We have no idea how much mass the Sun has to eat through. The sun could be as dense as it needs to be. It would be difficult to ascertain the true mass of the sun either way. Even in RE, a tiny dense Neutron star operates via fusion.

The neutron stars' and sun's gravity were already discussed so I will ask how the sun could be as dense as it needs to be? Forgetting about the gravity holding it together for the moment, the mass of an object determines how easily it could be accelerated. If the Moon, Earth, and Sun would have to have the same mass to be accelerated at the same constant rate. Otherwise the UA would push them at different speeds and the distance between them would rapidly grow. Of course, we can see the moon and sun aren't going anywhere so the mass of the sun has to be equal to that of the Earth.
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#### Mr. Ireland

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##### Re: the earth and the sun
« Reply #31 on: April 23, 2007, 08:48:03 AM »
So, what's the mass of the earth?

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« Reply #32 on: April 23, 2007, 12:02:22 PM »
So, what's the mass of the earth?

Not enough to crush us against the ground like a star's gravity would.
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#### ﮎingulaЯiτy

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« Reply #33 on: April 23, 2007, 12:32:26 PM »
Come to think of it, why does a plasma state of matter stay in the shape of a disk at all? The Flat Earth's excuse is that it is a solid. If we had a liquid or gas disk 3000 miles high it would fall to Earth from not being supported. Unless the UA affects things if they are high enough in which case the force of the UA would press against it and spread it out even further and further. Stellar fusion can't take place in a flat object by the way.
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#### ∂G/∂x

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« Reply #34 on: April 23, 2007, 12:35:27 PM »
If UA affects the sun and moon, it would also affect any other object above the Earth, making them apparently weightless. Flying a plane would, once you left the ground, be no problem as UA would act on the plane, accelerating it to Earth speed. In fact, you could jump into the air and become weightless permanently. Cool...
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#### ﮎingulaЯiτy

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« Reply #35 on: April 23, 2007, 01:03:41 PM »
If UA affects the sun and moon, it would also affect any other object above the Earth, making them apparently weightless. Flying a plane would, once you left the ground, be no problem as UA would act on the plane, accelerating it to Earth speed. In fact, you could jump into the air and become weightless permanently. Cool...

Yeah, I brought this up not too long ago. Apparently the UA force has a pocket around the Earth called the terrapause. It doesn't make much sense but I let it go. So I guess this means that the Airplanes haven't gotten high enough to experience the UA.

http://theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=11998.msg170002#msg170002
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#### ∂G/∂x

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« Reply #36 on: April 23, 2007, 01:09:53 PM »
Of course.... a pocket....why didn't I think of that when it's so logical.
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#### ﮎingulaЯiτy

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« Reply #37 on: April 23, 2007, 01:18:31 PM »
Of course.... a pocket....why didn't I think of that when it's so logical.
lol. Pretty retarded, huh?
The reasons and implications of this pocket are of course ignored..
Why the hell would it close again? If so people closer to the edge could escape it at lower altitudes.
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#### ∂G/∂x

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« Reply #38 on: April 23, 2007, 01:20:02 PM »
Maybe UA affects people like Michael Jordan....
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#### James

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##### Re: the earth and the sun
« Reply #39 on: April 25, 2007, 01:00:52 PM »
Just for the record, plenty of us believe in a flat sun too.

Also, you still don't understand Universal Acceleration. The UA can't "affect" anything, it's not a force. It only affects things which it is touching. Think of it this way - if you have a table, and you put a plate on the table, the table can be said to "affect" the plate, stopping it moving. The UA is a physical entity. It doesn't work in some magical mysterious way, it's just a big hunk of upwardly accelerating matter.

Thus, it cannot affect the sun or moon - these are above the Earth and thus above the UA.
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#### sokarul

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« Reply #40 on: April 25, 2007, 01:03:29 PM »
Just for the record, plenty of us believe in a flat sun too.

Which is even more retarded then a flat earth.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070424/ap_on_sc/solar_eruptions_10
Of course NASA did it so its fake.
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#### sanity

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« Reply #41 on: April 25, 2007, 01:12:07 PM »
Just for the record, plenty of us believe in a flat sun too.
The Sun is a ball of gas, in case you didn't know.
Now, come on. Give FE any chance at all. A ball of the lightest gas known only 30 miles wide wouldn't be able to hold itself together under it's own gravity, and now you're saying that there's even less of it? Come on. And surely you realise that that much nuclear fusion only a few thousand miles away would vapourise us?

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#### ∂G/∂x

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« Reply #42 on: April 25, 2007, 02:13:59 PM »
There isn't any gravity in FE. In fact, in FE there is no reason for a large amount of matter to ever coalesce, let alone stay together.
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#### ﮎingulaЯiτy

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##### Re: the earth and the sun
« Reply #43 on: April 25, 2007, 04:33:56 PM »
Just for the record, plenty of us believe in a flat sun too.

Also, you still don't understand Universal Acceleration. The UA can't "affect" anything, it's not a force. It only affects things which it is touching. Think of it this way - if you have a table, and you put a plate on the table, the table can be said to "affect" the plate, stopping it moving. The UA is a physical entity. It doesn't work in some magical mysterious way, it's just a big hunk of upwardly accelerating matter.

Thus, it cannot affect the sun or moon - these are above the Earth and thus above the UA.

Whoa!

1. If it is just accelerating matter than why does it need to be separate from the Earth?
2. Why wouldn't the sun and moon crash into the Earth if they are not also accelerated?
3. A plate resting on a table is the normal force. (The structural resistance to giving into pressure from the resistance of atomic bonds.) much like tension force.
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#### sanity

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« Reply #44 on: April 26, 2007, 10:26:18 AM »
There isn't any gravity in FE. In fact, in FE there is no reason for a large amount of matter to ever coalesce, let alone stay together.
I know, I just saw that in another thread.
So, there's no gravity and yet somehow we stay on a thin strip of rock which is surrounded by a wall of ice which somehow doesn't melt and there's a big ball of nuclear fusion defying this mystical force that happens between us and the flat rock and also somehow not vapourising us even though it's so near...

Look, any FEers reading this, by posting any "evidence" for FE you make two more problems for each you solve. Quit while you're behind...

#### narcberry

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« Reply #45 on: April 26, 2007, 10:31:41 AM »
Dogplatter is incorrect, the moon and sun are affected by the UA. The UA creates a force of acceleration, and it affects all things, only distance dampens the force.

#### sokarul

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« Reply #46 on: April 26, 2007, 10:59:59 AM »
So the ever changing theory goes on.

Play tune of This is the song that never ends.

"This is the theory that never ends.  Yes, it goes on and on, my friends.  Someone pulled it out of their ass not knowing what it was. And their continue to modify it because, This is the theory that never ends."
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#### narcberry

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« Reply #47 on: April 26, 2007, 11:04:24 AM »
As if the round-earth model only takes 1 form?
Hollow Earth?
String Theory?
Gravitons?

We are free to disagree, neither of us has changed our model.

#### sokarul

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« Reply #48 on: April 26, 2007, 11:12:10 AM »
As if the round-earth model only takes 1 form?
Hollow Earth?
String Theory?
Gravitons?

We are free to disagree, neither of us has changed our model.
Ok dude.  I said this one other time.

People learn gravity in elementary school.  They don't learn what it really is until they take a course that has general relativity in it.  Gravity is gravitation when you are standing on the object.  Do you think gravitation just ends?  Einstein created equations to explain it.  Newton said there had to be a force to get an object to move.  Einsteins equations show that doesn't.

As for the hollow earth theory.  Thats not the accepted theory.  That was proven false a long time ago.
The string theory will either be proven false or right in a couple years.  The string theory cannot explain the actions of me holding my keys out then dropping them.  People are going away from it already.
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#### sanity

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##### Re: the earth and the sun
« Reply #49 on: April 26, 2007, 12:52:01 PM »
As if the round-earth model only takes 1 form?
Hollow Earth?
String Theory?
Gravitons?

We are free to disagree, neither of us has changed our model.
Hollow Earth is about as real as Tom's intelligence, I have to say. Otherwise the Earth would fall in on itself under its own gravity, but then I suppose people would say that gravity doesn't exist? It's that force which keeps us on the sphere we're on.
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#### Trekky0623

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« Reply #50 on: April 26, 2007, 08:09:43 PM »
You FEers aways say, "but the scientists assumed".  Alright, well:
Scientists find temperature of sun with distance.
Scientists find distance with triangulation.
Scientists use triangulation because it works.

#### Tom Bishop

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##### Re: the earth and the sun
« Reply #51 on: April 26, 2007, 08:12:13 PM »
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Scientists find distance with triangulation.

Guess what happens to those triangulation calculations when you assume the earth as a flat plane.

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#### sanity

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« Reply #52 on: April 26, 2007, 11:28:21 PM »
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Scientists find distance with triangulation.

Guess what happens to those triangulation calculations when you assume the earth as a flat plane.
You get sent to the mental home.