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Re: Tides
« Reply #150 on: April 26, 2007, 11:47:58 AM »
I'm a Junior.

I will ask again.  What physics do you have?   
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« Reply #151 on: April 26, 2007, 11:50:36 AM »
I'm a Junior.

I will ask again.  What physics do you have?   

Lol, what a question. If you mean what formal education, then the 5 courses I took in my undergraduate work. However, anyone can read an article.

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« Reply #152 on: April 26, 2007, 12:41:33 PM »
I'm a Junior.

I will ask again.  What physics do you have?   

Lol, what a question. If you mean what formal education, then the 5 courses I took in my undergraduate work. However, anyone can read an article.
Was that so hard to answer?  No if only you learned something in those classes.  We wouldn’t have this problem of you trying to disprove physics with your opinion.
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« Reply #153 on: April 26, 2007, 12:55:38 PM »
Was that so hard to answer?  No if only you learned something in those classes.  We wouldn’t have this problem of you trying to disprove physics with your opinion.
The funny thing is is that this applies perfectly to you, also.


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« Reply #154 on: April 26, 2007, 12:57:10 PM »
Was that so hard to answer?  No if only you learned something in those classes.  We wouldn’t have this problem of you trying to disprove physics with your opinion.
The funny thing is is that this applies perfectly to you, also.
Once again says the guy who picks and chooses which Einstein ideas he uses.  Einstein said mass bends spacetime.  So go ask him for all your answers. 
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« Reply #155 on: April 26, 2007, 01:10:18 PM »
Don't want to say Engy Baby is right or anything but what is wrong with picking and choosing ideas exactly? Just because someone was maybe right about some of their theories, it doesn't mean they were right about all of them. Surely?
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« Reply #156 on: April 26, 2007, 01:12:29 PM »
Don't want to say Engy Baby is right or anything but what is wrong with picking and choosing ideas exactly? Just because someone was maybe right about some of their theories, it doesn't mean they were right about all of them. Surely?
Maybe because everyone else but engineer doesn't pick an choose.
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« Reply #157 on: April 26, 2007, 01:13:29 PM »
Ok then, was just wondering. Maybe he's a pioneer :P
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« Reply #158 on: April 26, 2007, 02:50:56 PM »
Once again says the guy who picks and chooses which Einstein ideas he uses.  Einstein said mass bends spacetime.  So go ask him for all your answers. 
Says the guy who picks and chooses which Newton ideas he uses.


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« Reply #159 on: April 26, 2007, 02:52:20 PM »
This petty arguing between you two is starting to get old
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« Reply #160 on: April 26, 2007, 03:09:36 PM »
Once again says the guy who picks and chooses which Einstein ideas he uses.  Einstein said mass bends spacetime.  So go ask him for all your answers. 
Says the guy who picks and chooses which Newton ideas he uses.
Which ones do I pick and what ones do I not pick? 
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« Reply #161 on: April 26, 2007, 03:26:21 PM »
Which ones do I pick and what ones do I not pick? 
You accept his theories of motion, but not his theory of gravity.


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« Reply #162 on: April 26, 2007, 03:28:34 PM »
Which ones do I pick and what ones do I not pick? 
You accept his theories of motion, but not his theory of gravity.
His theory of motion?   General relativity explains motion, but do use newtons motion for speeds I see. 
Thats a tad bit different then saying acceleration=gravitation but not saying mass also causes gravitation.   
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« Reply #163 on: April 26, 2007, 03:35:11 PM »
His theory of motion?   
You know, he came out with these three laws that govern motion...


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« Reply #164 on: April 26, 2007, 03:40:05 PM »
His theory of motion?   
You know, he came out with these three laws that govern motion...
And I follow them when they work.  I don't not follow them when they don't work.
You follow some stuff that works and not follow some stuff that also works.   
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« Reply #165 on: April 26, 2007, 05:16:59 PM »
His theory of motion?   
You know, he came out with these three laws that govern motion...
And I follow them when they work.  I don't not follow them when they don't work.
You follow some stuff that works and not follow some stuff that also works.   
You choose to follow his theories of motion, but not those for gravity.

Like I said, you pick and choose.


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« Reply #166 on: April 26, 2007, 05:31:38 PM »
His theory of motion?   
You know, he came out with these three laws that govern motion...
And I follow them when they work.  I don't not follow them when they don't work.
You follow some stuff that works and not follow some stuff that also works.   
You choose to follow his theories of motion, but not those for gravity.

Like I said, you pick and choose.

umm.. Gravity is and was a much more complicated than simple laws of inertia and force. Theories regarding spacetime warping were also not Newtons alone. He described gravity as a law of nature that exists fairly well I might add. Over time, as our understanding of science progressed, theories expanding off of gravity were added. You are not picking and choosing if you believe in gravity and the laws of motion. Gravity has simply become more understood and is continually revised.
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« Reply #167 on: April 26, 2007, 05:34:26 PM »
You choose to believe his laws of motion, but choose to ignore his theories of gravity.  That sounds like picking and choosing to me.


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« Reply #168 on: April 26, 2007, 05:37:46 PM »
You choose to believe his laws of motion, but choose to ignore his theories of gravity.  That sounds like picking and choosing to me.
If I'm going to calculate the speed of a falling apple I'm not going to use Einsteins equations. 
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« Reply #169 on: April 26, 2007, 05:39:26 PM »
I'm not talking about that.  I'm talking about you ignoring his theory of gravity.  Therefore, you are picking and choosing which of his theories you want to believe.


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« Reply #170 on: April 26, 2007, 05:40:14 PM »
You choose to believe his laws of motion, but choose to ignore his theories of gravity.  That sounds like picking and choosing to me.

How have we ignored the theory of gravity? All scientific endeavors require revision as stated by many FEers (including yourself I believe). Gravity as a theory is our entire basis! The exact understanding of it has to evolve!
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« Reply #171 on: April 26, 2007, 05:41:52 PM »
Newton's theory of gravity violates the speed limit of the universe.  You RE'ers choose to ignore this theory.


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« Reply #172 on: April 26, 2007, 05:45:26 PM »
Round earth theorists do that all the time.  They just pick whatever theory for their convenience and ignore others.

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« Reply #173 on: April 26, 2007, 05:48:08 PM »
Did you look at what I just posted?

For every complex theory, it is basically impossible to get it 100% right first try with almost no understanding. Otherwise, the moon is still made of cheese, sea serpents will kill people voyaging across the world, and the sun is Ra the god.

Like I said: The exact understanding of it has to evolve! All scientific endeavors require revision. We still believe in gravity. By the way, Newton seems to have gotten it 99% right.
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« Reply #174 on: April 26, 2007, 05:48:38 PM »
If a theory is incorrect it is rejected by the scientific community. Science is, as you know, not personality based. A scientist with a perfectly good theory in one place may make a total mess of something else. Einstein's theories are the best we have at the moment, and Newton's are useful for non-relativistic speeds etc. where the more complex equations of velocity addition in GR are unnecessary as Newton gives us very good approximations.

We pick the theories we believe have been shown to approximate (every theory approximates) the world the best, and use them.
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« Reply #175 on: April 26, 2007, 05:50:45 PM »
But Sokarul claimed only FE'ers did that. ???


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« Reply #176 on: April 26, 2007, 05:54:44 PM »
I don't know what he meant, but I'd say he might be referring to the part where FEers pick an explanation for a phenomenon, then when it conflicts in another area they answer with a contradictory theory, while not realising or simply denying that there is a contradiction.
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« Reply #177 on: April 26, 2007, 05:56:03 PM »
But Sokarul claimed only FE'ers did that. ???

No I said

And I follow them when they work.  I don't not follow them when they don't work.
You follow some stuff that works and not follow some stuff that also works.   
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« Reply #178 on: April 26, 2007, 05:57:19 PM »
The difference between slightly evolving a theory as we come to new levels of understanding (RE view), and blatantly denying parts of a theory thats interdependent on other parts that are convenient (FE) shows how FE is obviously not empirical.

But Sokarul claimed only FE'ers did that. ???

I'm pretty sure Sokarul was simplifying the argument to make a point. Not to show that he can be wrong only by technicality. Arguing over technicalities is something I don't believe is important as the fundamental basis of our arguments like the picking and choosing of a theory.
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« Reply #179 on: April 26, 2007, 05:58:58 PM »
Don't want to say Engy Baby is right or anything but what is wrong with picking and choosing ideas exactly? Just because someone was maybe right about some of their theories, it doesn't mean they were right about all of them. Surely?
Maybe because everyone else but engineer doesn't pick an choose.


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