Where did my thread go?

Quote from: EIRD on April 24, 2007, 01:25:20 PM

I looked at the budget for 30 seconds and noticed all $16 792 300 000 are accounted for.  Guess I was right.

Are you joking?!?!  The government 'misplaces' money every day.

Exactly. So then why would they need such an elaborate set of lies and conspiracies to skim of a couple billion when they could just take some of the Pentagon's $1,000,000,000,000 that is unaccounted for?  http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2003/05/18/MN251738.DTL

The fact of the matter is, secrets are extremely hard to keep. Conspiracies get unraveled. And to say that entire world population has been lied to over a period of centuries (millennia?) for a couple billion to be skimmed of by NASA is a very asinine statement.

Mellenia? Are you kidding me?

Before the age of space exploration every single society since the history of time believed in a Round Earth. The people of kitty hawk believed it. Columbus believed it. Magellan believed it. The people of the Middle Ages believed it. The Greeks and the Babylonians believed it. The Romans, Chinese, and Celts believed it. Ancient Egypt believed it. No society ever believed the world was flat. No person has ever set out to prove the earth as round. Historian Christine Garwood just recently published a book on the subject. She found that no society or civilization throughout the annals of time has ever, except for the Flat Earth Society in the late 19th century, once amused the idea of a Flat Earth.


Does the brainwashing sound familiar?

The Round Earth is the primitive shape of the world. Not the Flat Earth.

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When the Royal Astronomical Society patented and sent the first large payload rocket into space they discovered the Flat Earth for themselves and concocted a plan designed to extort limitless space exploration dollars from the governments of the world. Since everyone already dogmatically believed in a Round Earth, whatever fish eye pictures they provided were immediately and dogmatically accepted as accurate. That's all.

It is a much more profitable scheme than the limited fame they would have received from publishing the existence of the Flat Earth. The RAS would have just been another name in the history books if it had done that. Through continuing to perpetuate the idea of a Round Earth, and draining nations out of trillions of dollars of space exploration dollars, this small group of Conspirators has guaranteed themselves virtually unlimited power and wealth.

Ah Tom's bollocks is definitly back. Life is good.

Before the age of space exploration every single society since the history of time believed in a Round Earth....No society ever believed the world was flat.

Just off the top of my head: Native Americans?

No person has ever set out to prove the earth as round.

(copy past job here, granted these aren't proofs, just indications)

(1) Departing boats gradually sink below the horizon, as do buildings on the shore from the viewpoint of the sailors. Admittedly this only proves the earth is round right where you are--the frisbee hypothesis.

(2) "The sphericity of the earth is proved by the evidence of ... lunar eclipses," Aristotle says. "For whereas in the monthly phases of the moon the segments are of all sorts--straight, gibbous [convex], crescent--in eclipses the dividing line is always rounded. Consequently, if the eclipse is due to the interposition of the earth, the rounded line results from its spherical shape" Of course a frisbee, properly angled, would make a round shadow too. But if the frisbee rotated while the eclipse was in progress, the curvature of its shadow would change. The earth's does not.

(3) The constellations shift relative to the horizon as you move north and south around the globe, something that could only happen if you were standing on a sphere. (You may have to draw a few diagrams to convince yourself of this.) Given sufficient world travel combined with careful observation on your part, the frisbee hypothesis becomes well-nigh insupportable. I suppose this doesn't qualify as a home experiment, but I never said science would be easy.

In fourteen hundred and ninety-two,
Columbus sailed the ocean blue.
He took three ships with him, too,
And called aboard his faithful crew.
Mighty, strong and brave was he
As he sailed across the open sea.
Some people still thought the world was flat!
Can you even imagine that?

Does the brainwashing sound familiar?

I know Columbus didn't think the world was flat. Posting a children's poem means absolutely nothing.

The Round Earth is the primitive shape of the world, not the Flat Earth.

Sorry, you're wrong. Common sense is what tells us that the world is flat.

The RAS would have just been another name in the history books if it had done that.

Right. They covered it up because making one of the most significant scientific breakthroughs in the history of man would 'just have been another name in the history books'.

(1) Departing boats gradually sink below the horizon, as do buildings on the shore from the viewpoint of the sailors. Admittedly this only proves the earth is round right where you are--the frisbee hypothesis.

The sinking ship effect people see is a natural law of perspective. Dr. Samuel Birley Rowbotham found that the vanishing point of the horizon is slightly below the edge of the horizon due the mean combined height of the waves. Although the waves might reach a maximum of 44 inches in height above the true edge of the horizon, it has a profound effect.

This means that as the ship shrinks into the horizon it must also sink into mean height of the combined waves. The smaller the ship gets into the distance, the more the waves at the false edge of the horizon will obscure its hull.

Consult Chapter 14 of Earth Not a Globe.

Consider a 3D model with an infinite perfectly flat plane. Any receding object on the surface gets smaller and smaller the more distant it gets, right? At the edge of the horizon, any imperfect increase in height, no matter how minuscule, will obscure the object from the bottom up as it shrinks into the distance.

Pure Geometry.

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(2) "The sphericity of the earth is proved by the evidence of ... lunar eclipses,"

The moon glows with light from the sun, reflected off the Earth. Different parts of the Earth are more reflective than others (the seas, the polar cap, the ice wall, for example). Sometimes, the position of the sun (which has the effect of a spotlight) means that only very low-reflective or non-reflective parts of the Earth's surface are illuminated, so the moon is abnormally dark.

There is no evidence that the shadow on the moon comes from a spherical earth.

The constellations shift relative to the horizon as you move north and south around the globe.

The motes of the stars are moving in various patterns, caught in each other's gravitational vectors, rotating around imaginary points in space, common barycenters in accordance with Newton's laws. Predictable lights in the skies say nothing about the shape of the Earth.

Sorry, you're wrong. Common sense is what tells us that the world is flat.

Dr. Samuel Birley Rowbotham, a notable astronomer and medical doctor, performed a number of experiments which proved the world was flat. Perhaps you should look up his book Earth: Not a Globe.

Right. They covered it up because making one of the most significant scientific breakthroughs in the history of man would 'just have been another name in the history books'.

Would you hide the shape of the Earth in exchange for limitless wealth?

I would.

Yeah, no one's proven it's round...

That's because the medically insane can't be proven anything, they deny it. Everyone with common sense can - literally - see it's round.
As the old saying goes:
"It takes a genius to reconvince a convinced man.
No one can reconvince a convinced fool."
Hits the nail on the head with people like Tom...

Yeah, no one's proven it's round...

That's because the medically insane can't be proven anything, they deny it. Everyone with common sense can - literally - see it's round.
As the old saying goes:
"It takes a genius to reconvince a convinced man.
No one can reconvince a convinced fool."
Hits the nail on the head with people like Tom...

No, people have proven it's round. Whether you believe it or not is a completely different story.

TOM IS BACK!

Anyway, this topic I started is about NASA having the ability to explore outer space, yet still make billions.  Even though they lay out what they do with the money to everyone, they are still making billions somehow.  So, are they recieving more?  Making up programs?  How are they pocketing the money if they are spending it?

Tom never left. I cannot fathom why you people don't see this.

Back as in posting again under the famous name.

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(2) "The sphericity of the earth is proved by the evidence of ... lunar eclipses,"

The moon glows with light from the sun, reflected off the Earth. Different parts of the Earth are more reflective than others (the seas, the polar cap, the ice wall, for example). Sometimes, the position of the sun (which is a spotlight) means that only very low-reflective or non-reflective parts of the Earth's surface are illuminated, so the moon is abnormally dark.

There is no evidence that the shadow on the moon comes from a spherical earth.

I can draw a model of the earth and the moon which explains (and predicts) full moons, no moon, the moon visible during the day, and lunar eclipses. I challenge you to do the same

The motes of the stars are moving in various patterns, caught in each other's gravitational vectors, rotating around imaginary points in space, common barycenters in accordance with Newton's laws.

So then why don't constellations change East to West?

Predictable lights in the skies say nothing about the shape of the Earth.

 

Would you hide the shape of the Earth in exchange for limitless wealth? I know I would.

No, I wouldn't. I value piece of mind over monetary gains. If you think money buys happiness you are a fool.

Would you hide the shape of the Earth in exchange for limitless wealth?

I would.

First, why woukd these governments want to hide the shape of the Earth? Secondly, I get the feeling that the space toruists with more money than they could possibly hope to spend could decline that much money, especially since they'd make much, much more if they managed to take photos of this ridiculous "flat Earth" and sell their story...

I can draw a model of the earth and the moon which explains (and predicts) full moons, no moon, the moon visible during the day, and lunar eclipses. I challenge you to do the same

Dr. Samuel Birley Rowbotham could mathematically and accurately predict lunar eclipses and its phases. Consult Chapter 11 of Earth Not a Globe and scroll to the bottom.

All of Astronomy is based on the assumption of the Earth as a Globe. How do you think Astronomers got the Astronomical Unit? I'll tell you:

Each astronomer throughout history make accurate measurements in relation to the distance of the Earth and Sun by using triangulation between two distant points on Earth, observing the Sun and measuring the angles in relation to the sea-level of the Earth. An astronomer could either triangulate the Sun's distance from the Earth to 93 million miles or 3,000 miles. It entirely depends on whether the earth appears as flat or round in the author's triangulation equations.

It is impossible to judge a celestial distance by looking at a distant Sun through a telescope alone. The triangulation equations require two different observers who are separated far enough away so that the angles of the Sun and Venus are slightly different. It is necessary in triangulation to require two known points in space. Look at how GPS works.

For example, this link shows us how modern Round Earth science calculated the distance between the Earth and Sun using the transit of Venus. You will immediately notice that the equations are highly dependent on the assumption of a Round Earth.

If we take those same triangulation equations and use them under the assumption of a Flat Earth and do away with the compensation extrapolation for the curvature of the Earth, assuming a flat surface, the final equation for the distance between the Earth and Sun becomes

rT = (PT / PV)2/3 (1 - eT cos ET) / (1 - eV cos Ev)

When we plug in the numbers from that link, the figure 'rT', the distance between the Earth and Sun, is equated out to an approximation close to 3,000 miles.

Finally, the angular size of the sun is 0.5°. Using this fact with a distance to the sun of 3000 miles, gives the sun's diameter: 32 miles.

Do you see now how the entire cosmos is drastically affected by an assumption?

No, I wouldn't. I value piece of mind over monetary gains. If you think money buys happiness you are a fool.

If you blindly and dogmatically follow the opinions and beliefs of others, then you are the fool. Sorry to say.

Tom never left. I cannot fathom why you people don't see this.

Because I FORCED THEM TOO BELIEVE!

Would you hide the shape of the Earth in exchange for limitless wealth?

I would.

Wait..is this a confession? Tom are you being paid to tell us the Earth is flat in order to hide its true roundness?

If you blindly and dogmatically follow and accept total rubbish you are the fool. Glad to say.

Also, that should be a comma not a full stop. Oh, how I like annoying you .

GG: Come on, he just confessed but let us poke fun at him a bit more! I mean, I've not been here long!
You're all so cruel .

If you blindly and dogmatically follow and accept total rubbish you are the fool. Glad to say.

Also, that should be a comma not a full stop. Oh, how I like annoying you .

GG: Come on, he just confessed but let us poke fun at him a bit more! I mean, I've not been here long!
You're all so cruel .

Sorry sanity carry on poking fun

First, why woukd these governments want to hide the shape of the Earth?

The Government isn't making the money. The Government is not aware of the Conspiracy which hides within its own space programs.

I get the feeling that the space toruists with more money than they could possibly hope to spend could decline that much money,

Those billionaire space tourists were simply tricked into believing they were on a rocket flight to space. They flushed their money down the toilet and the Conspiracy took it gladly.

It can and has been done before: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Cadets

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I can draw a model of the earth and the moon which explains (and predicts) full moons, no moon, the moon visible during the day, and lunar eclipses. I challenge you to do the same

Dr. Samuel Birley Rowbotham could, under his model, mathematically and accurately predict lunar eclipses and its phases. Consult Chapter 11 of Earth Not a Globe and scroll to the bottom.

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All of Astronomy is based on the assumption of the Earth as a Globe. How do you think Astronomers got the Astronomical Unit? I'll tell you:

Each astronomer throughout history make accurate measurements in relation to the distance of the Earth and Sun by using triangulation between two distant points on Earth, observing the Sun and measuring the angles in relation to the sea-level of the Earth. An astronomer could either triangulate the Sun's distance from the Earth to 93 million miles or 3,000 miles. It entirely depends on whether the earth appears as flat or round in the author's triangulation equations.

It is impossible to judge a celestial distance by looking at a distant Sun through a telescope alone. The triangulation equations require two different observers who are separated far enough away so that the angles of the Sun and Venus are slightly different. It is necessary in triangulation to require two known points in space. Look at how GPS works.

For example, this link shows us how modern Round Earth science calculated the distance between the Earth and Sun using the transit of Venus. You will immediately notice that the equations are highly dependent on the assumption of a Round Earth.

If we take those same triangulation equations and use them under the assumption of a Flat Earth and do away with the compensation extrapolation for the curvature of the Earth, assuming a flat surface, the final equation for the distance between the Earth and Sun becomes

rT = (PT / PV)2/3 (1 - eT cos ET) / (1 - eV cos Ev)

When we plug in the numbers from that link, the figure 'rT', the distance between the Earth and Sun, is equated out to an approximation close to 3,000 miles.

Finally, the angular size of the sun is 0.5°. Using this fact with a distance to the sun of 3000 miles, gives the sun's diameter: 32 miles.

Do you see now how the entire cosmos is drastically affected by an assumption?

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No, I wouldn't. I value piece of mind over monetary gains. If you think money buys happiness you are a fool.

If you blindly and dogmatically follow the opinions and beliefs of others, then you are the fool. Sorry to say.

Why dont you use MS equation editor and do it.  I dont believe you did the math. 

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I get the feeling that the space toruists with more money than they could possibly hope to spend could decline that much money,

Those billionaire space tourists were simply tricked into believing they were on a rocket flight to space. They flushed their money down the toilet and the Conspiracy took it gladly.

It can and has been done before: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Cadets

Ah yes, I saw that series. One thing though: we haven't invented an anti-gravity machine (but, believing in FE as you do, I'm sure you believe that they do have one hidden even though it defies physics?) and the people in space cadets weren't floating around. I can't remember what their excuse was, but they weren't weightless. The space tourits, on the other hand, were.

we haven't invented an anti-gravity machine

False. How else could that man keep his head above water?

we haven't invented an anti-gravity machine

Very intense magnetic fields from all directions could simulate the effect of being in space. It has been done before with small creatures in a lab environment. It's not "anti-gravity," but there is nothing magical about it. Sheer physics from the amount of zinc and metallics in blood. To simulate the effect of a floating pencil, the Conspirators simply needed to make sure that each free floating object on board had a hint of metallic properties.

They'd profit immensely in the end.

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we haven't invented an anti-gravity machine

Very intense magnetic fields could simulate the effect of being in space. It has been done before with small creatures in a lab environment. It's not "anti-gravity," but there is nothing magical about it. Sheer physics from the amount of zinc and metallics in blood.

Problem is, somthing as heavy as a human would not be effected by it. The iron and everything else would literally be pushed up and possibly out through the skin, meaning that it's perfectly clear it's not weightlessness, it's nearer lifelessness.
Also, there are space toursists with pacemakers, you know. And a magnetic field that size would destroy the computers on board. It would probably make the rocket collapse too.

And yet, still no motive except that they'd "profit immensely". Why, exactly?

Yeah I'd like to see proof of that on actual people Tommy boy...

Antigravity or a perfectly simulated rocket flight isn't even needed in retrospect. It would be more cost effective and less risky to feed psychotropic drugs to astronauts and rich space tourists in order to keep them 'spaced out' during the trip.

Antigravity or a perfectly simulated rocket flight isn't even needed in retrospect. It would be more cost effective and less risky to feed psychotropic drugs to astronauts and rich space tourists in order to keep them 'spaced out' during the trip.

This is getting more and more absurd

Are you telling me that this guy doesn't look 'spaced out' and hopped up on a variety of psychotropic drugs?



He's the space tourist billionaire mentioned in the first post.

He looks like his head is too big for his body

Are you telling me that this guy doesn't look 'spaced out' and hopped up on a variety of psychotropic drugs?



He's the space tourist billionaire mentioned in the first post.

That image is fake. It has Tom Bishop headers in photoshop.

I want to meet that guy in that photo and shake his hand. He is a legend.