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Why would the conspiracy let loose a technology to help in a war that it is creating to draw attention away from the truly important topic of the shape of the Earth?  Aren't conspiracies fun? ^_^

Generals don't like to have men die.

If you say that those wars are part of the conspiracy, well, my friends, to say the least, you have a VERY low opinion of people's morals. Over 100 million people would have died for that secret...

16 billion dollars vs 100 million men......Hhmmm....Greed wins.


Just because your morals would have stopped you does not mean that their morals stopped them.  Morals change from person to person.


EDIT:  The conspirators wouldn't personally know the 100 million men, so why would they care?  Also, the Generals don't know about the conspiracy, they believe they are doing the right thing by going to war.

I'm sorry, where did 16 billion dollars come from?

*shrug* someone brought it up when they brought up NASA's budget or something.  The point still remains that your morals don't reflect other people's morals.  There are, I'm afraid to say, terrible people in the world.  They'd do anything for money.


EDIT:  Keep in mind, other countries' space agency funds and whatnot.

Curvature of the earth is important because we CANNOT PICK UP THE SIGNAL OF THE SATELLITES AT ALL OUTSIDE A CERTAIN AREA.

Ya, that would be because it's directional.

I'm sorry, where did 16 billion dollars come from?

That is last year's budget for NASA as well as this year's.

Maybe.

But just so you know, 16 billion is nothing. The costs for the wars, the soldiers on the ice wall, the satellite conspiracy,would be astronomical. WWII is estimated to have cost the United States 2 trillion dollars, and now you inform me that it was likely part of the initial conspiracy.

$13.13 trillion is the 2006 US GDP. Thats alot more then a paltry 16 billion.

@Divito--I can see you read nothing of my posts...

Yes, the US did spend lots of money on wars.  Yes, it was a lot more than the 'paltry' 16 BILLION as you say.  The US treasury doesn't belong to the conspirators, it belongs to the US.  The 16 billion A YEAR to NASA does belong to the conspirators.  The trillions spent on the wars was to open the way to the 16 billion a year.  More than 16 billion if you count the other countries.

Maybe.

But just so you know, 16 billion is nothing. The costs for the wars, the soldiers on the ice wall, the satellite conspiracy,would be astronomical. WWII is estimated to have cost the United States 2 trillion dollars, and now you inform me that it was likely part of the initial conspiracy.

$13.13 trillion is the 2006 US GDP. Thats alot more then a paltry 16 billion.

@Divito--I can see you read nothing of my posts...

Since when did GDP = whats in the treasury?

But just so you know, 16 billion is nothing. The costs for the wars, the soldiers on the ice wall, the satellite conspiracy,would be astronomical.

Wars? For what?

Clearly it isn't astronomical. I don't suppose you have any evidence to support this claim?

Also, that $16 billion is just a year's budget. Over 49 years of NASA's existence, they've received $618.412 billion. An average of $12 billion per year.

WWII is estimated to have cost the United States 2 trillion dollars.

Adjusting for inflation, it's just over $3 trillion. The original figure is $288 million. Not sure what your point is though. Common made a good point.

I'm afraid all that alone would be spent on maintaining the illusion of satellites. They need to be perfect enough that amateurs can gauge their orbit and velocity, as well as undergo national inspection by non-conspiracy members.

@Narcberry--don't put words in my mouth, it just makes you sound stupid. I was putting out a figure for comparison. Another good one--Bill Gates had personnally 100 billion dollars in 1999.

BTW, I just found that 2 trillion was the cost of the Iraq war. Hang on while I search for WWII, Korea, and Vietnam figures, since apparently they were all part of the conspirators' evil plot. Forgive my grave innaccuracy.

WWII--16 trillion dollars (4 trillion direct cost, 4x for indirect cost, 1949 value)
Korean War-- 67 billion dollars (1956 value)
Vietnam War--173 Billion dollars materials, 220 billion costs for personnell and recompense, 31 billion interest= 424 billion dollars (1980 value)

So your point is $16 billion dollars is not a lot of money.

My point is that compared to the cost of such an operation, it is small change.

Why are you talking about wars.  I've already stated that the money for wars comes from the countries, not the conspirators.  We already know where the conspiracy money comes from.  I don't see what a bunch of war costs would prove...

Alright then. Illuminate me as to how the conspirators instigated the conflict, if they didn't directly fund it.

BTW, I just found that 2 trillion was the cost of the Iraq war. Hang on while I search for WWII, Korea, and Vietnam figures, since apparently they were all part of the conspirators' evil plot.

LOL!! Where did you come up with that? Since when have those wars been apart of the conspiracy??

L and Near would be disappointed.

Then why wasn't this technology used during late WWII when radio was being perfected, during the Korean War, or during the early vietnam war?

Why would the conspiracy let loose a technology to help in a war that it is creating to draw attention away from the truly important topic of the shape of the Earth?  Aren't conspiracies fun? ^_^

Nothing concrete, but you're the first to deny it.

Think of them as puppet masters.  They control enough key people through bribes (note, the bribe does not need to be more than the nations treasury  ) and false reports to instigate the wars.



@divitto      Not sure, someone mentioned it at some point as a way to draw attention from the shape of the Earth.  I brought that up here because he asked why we wouldn't use new technology in a war if the conspirators had it.  I guess a better answer would be why let anyone but the conspirators know of the material at the time.

The thing I don't get is that...if this site is about scientific and critical thinking, why do people keep bringing up the conspiracy crap? There is no way one could refute a conspiracy theory. There isn't a limit to conspiracies. I can say, "Oh I've personally seen a satellite launch. Heck, I'm an astronaut." Even if I were telling the truth, conspiracy theorists could easily discredit me by saying that I'm part of the conspiracy. Using conspiracy theory in your argument is a cheap shot.

Thats why all that must be done is keep


So you're saying the POTUS would be willing to fund BILLIONS OF DOLLARS worth of nuclear missile construction and open warfare in vietnam and Korea BEFORE THE CONSPIRATORS HAD THE SOURCE OF REVENUE THAT YOU CALL NASA?

The thing I don't get is that...if this site is about scientific and critical thinking, why do people keep bringing up the conspiracy crap? There is no way one could refute a conspiracy theory. There isn't a limit to conspiracies. I can say, "Oh I've personally seen a satellite launch. Heck, I'm an astronaut." Even if I were telling the truth, conspiracy theorists could easily discredit me by saying that I'm part of the conspiracy. Using conspiracy theory in your argument is a cheap shot.

*Applauds*     This is what I was hoping Ferdinand would pick up on eventually.  The point of the 'conspiracy' is to hide the shit that can't be explained.  If I am arguing on the FE side for pseudollites and you want to know why a technology wasn't revealed to help a war, I just say it's the conspiracy.

Don't worry, I am fully aware of the difficulty in disproving conspiracy theories. But I've always wanted a good chance to try, and am having a great time right here.