Gunman kills 30 on Virginia Tech Campus

Quote from: Vauxhall the Vampire on April 20, 2007, 08:29:33 PM

Quote from: midnight on April 20, 2007, 08:24:56 PM

Quote from: DiegoDraw on April 20, 2007, 07:59:35 PM

Quote from: midnight on April 20, 2007, 07:40:10 PM

Why not?

You answer first.

~D-Draw

Honestly, I have thought about the whole mess, what has been said on here, and other places, and I just don't see it mattering. Call it my own pathetic digression into apathy. Talking about these things after the fact has never prevented future incarnations of the same things. Action is a verb, not an episode of The View.

I just get to a point where I realize that talking about it is pretty much...pointless.

Very good point. That's why I just make fun!

Yes, but when do human beings stop joking, or being apathetic, and actually stand up for themselves and make the changes so many of us, as a race of creatures, honestly want to see?

I mean, hell. I make a lot of sarcastic statements about people, many of them can take it as it is, and go on with their day, but I mean really, I don't honestly mean HARM to people. I think that is my biggest personal flaw, is that I want change, but have not fully put both feet over the rail and just gone gung-ho and taken it to the level I know it needs to go to. I think people are all like this. We want things to improve, but our nature is self first, tomorrow later.

Making fun of it is a way of avoiding the fear that it could happen to anyone, anytime, anyplace. When do you draw the fucking line, V?

INTERNETS, SERIOUS BUSINESS.

Yes, but when do human beings stop joking, or being apathetic, and actually stand up for themselves and make the changes so many of us, as a race of creatures, honestly want to see?

I mean, hell. I make a lot of sarcastic statements about people, many of them can take it as it is, and go on with their day, but I mean really, I don't honestly mean HARM to people. I think that is my biggest personal flaw, is that I want change, but have not fully put both feet over the rail and just gone gung-ho and taken it to the level I know it needs to go to. I think people are all like this. We want things to improve, but our nature is self first, tomorrow later.

Making fun of it is a way of avoiding the fear that it could happen to anyone, anytime, anyplace. When do you draw the fucking line, V?

As far as I figure, the human race won't change. It hasn't for as long as we've been around. The Acadians participated in sacrifice, for God's sakes. When will someone step up and make the changes? No one will. It's just not going to happen. Change is hopeless honestly, and that goes to my previous thoughts (also can be found on my bloog). Society's eventually going to fall apart (again), and things will reset again. It's just how things work. Yeah, it's bullshit. It totally blows ass. But what can we do about it? We're on a path of destruction, and if we can't stop one kid from shooting thirty of his peers, how are we supposed to stop it when everything falls apart? I may not believe in the rapture, but something major has to change--it will change. I'm not saying that it CAN'T go the opposite way (i.e. someone steps forward and tries to make the world better), but personally I can't see it happening.

Also, making fun of things isn't necessarily fear. For example, I write satires quite often, whether they be post-apocalyptic epic novels or a short, light story making fun of fundamentalist Christians. It's not because I'm afraid of it, it's because I'm cynical and sarcastic, and think that A or B is ridiculously out of line.

And why would I make fun of something like this? Because why wouldn't I? I'm one who believes in the "Shit Happens" rule. Yeah. It totally sucks. But shit happens.

~D-Draw

I just posted an article related to this in the philosophy forum here

it's trying to analyse who's nuttier, madmen murderers, or terrorists.

As far as I figure, the human race won't change. It hasn't for as long as we've been around.

You just nailed my point.

Making fun of it is a way of avoiding the fear that it could happen to anyone, anytime, anyplace. When do you draw the fucking line, V?

Thats why we need to hand a gun to every man, woman, and child in the country. Sure, all the crazies would get weapons too, but as soon as they raise their gun to someone, 10 other people would shoot them in the face. It would all work out in the long run.

</satire> Because I know half of the forum won't get it

Quote from: midnight on April 20, 2007, 10:04:00 PM

Making fun of it is a way of avoiding the fear that it could happen to anyone, anytime, anyplace. When do you draw the fucking line, V?

Thats why we need to hand a gun to every man, woman, and child in the country. Sure, all the crazies would get weapons too, but as soon as they raise their gun to someone, 10 other people would shoot them in the face. It would all work out in the long run.

</satire> Because I know half of the forum won't get it

What happens if they all leave their guns at home?!?!1

Quote from: Masterchief2219 on April 22, 2007, 08:21:30 AM

Quote from: midnight on April 20, 2007, 10:04:00 PM

Making fun of it is a way of avoiding the fear that it could happen to anyone, anytime, anyplace. When do you draw the fucking line, V?

Thats why we need to hand a gun to every man, woman, and child in the country. Sure, all the crazies would get weapons too, but as soon as they raise their gun to someone, 10 other people would shoot them in the face. It would all work out in the long run.

</satire> Because I know half of the forum won't get it

What happens if they all leave their guns at home?!?!1

They do what they would do if guns were illegal:  run like hell!

An example for you Diego:

http://www.cnn.com/2007/EDUCATION/04/23/citadel.security.ap/index.html

Too little, too late.

What people do not realize is, along the lines of what you said before D, about the big change, is that, when that occurs, there won't be any system of government that will be able to stop the madness. Human beings are crazy enough as it is, but when social structures collapse, every man for himself becomes preeminent.

There is only one thing a military commander fears absolutely, according to Dwight D. Eisenhower: An angry mob. Tanks don't matter. Sheer numbers, the oft-joked about 'zerg rush' is the nullifier.

An example for you Diego:

http://www.cnn.com/2007/EDUCATION/04/23/citadel.security.ap/index.html

Too little, too late.

What people do not realize is, along the lines of what you said before D, about the big change, is that, when that occurs, there won't be any system of government that will be able to stop the madness. Human beings are crazy enough as it is, but when social structures collapse, every man for himself becomes preeminent.

There is only one thing a military commander fears absolutely, according to Dwight D. Eisenhower: An angry mob. Tanks don't matter. Sheer numbers, the oft-joked about 'zerg rush' is the nullifier.

Exactly. And I'm not saying that a president couldn't come along and heal all of the wounds, but right now, there are numerous factions who are getting more and more pissed off. And I think that a civil war in America would mean collapse, due to the fact that the government doesn't have any army left, let alone in this country. And even if we did have a candidate who could lick our sores (which we don't as far as I can see), I could easily see it being a reiteration of Bobby Kennedy.
Call it nihilistic, but I honestly think we're doomed eventually, and it's looking to come closer and closer to that time when things like this happen.

~D-Draw

Every empire must fall.

Or fade away.  That's how we all end, ya know, with a wimper and not a bang.  And with a wimper I'm fucking splitting, Jack.