Foucault Pendulum

Sorry, I meant swinging, but i wrote rotating. I mean, the swing is still a type of rotation, but I changed the OP.

yes but most people are of the opinion that it spins in opposite directions in the southern hemisphere. don't you think that most of the southern hemisphere universities would tend to disagree if they were noticing the opposite effect? unless they are all in on the conspiracy...

Maybe, maybe not. Could you tell me which way the pendulum should rotate in the Southern Hemisphere without referring to anything published about it? Most likely not.

The people in the Southern Hemisphere order the devices from the Northern Hemisphere suppliers, set it up, and simply assume that it is rotating in the correct direction without a second thought. After all, the Foucault Pendulum is museum exhibit for children. There is no real scientific study of its movements at the different regions of the Earth.

Textbooks and other sources would list the pendula as swinging in different directions for northern and southern hemispheres, and surely the southern hemisphere universities would notice this and alert people to this discrepancy. If you're going to buy them off with conspiracy, the cost just went up (again).

If you've ever attended a university you would know that no real research or introspection takes place. It's all memorization and cramming of wrote information. Maybe a student somewhere noticed that the pendulum swings in the incorrect direction. But a single student isn't prepared to challenge all of modern science. If the student persisted I doubt that even a tabloid would publish his observation.

There's only one person at each of the Southern Hemisphere Universities who needs to be paid off.  He's the guy who rigs the pendulum to rotate the opposite way.

Samuel Birley Rowbotham discounts the movements of the pendulum entirely, attributing its movement to a number of other factors. See Chapter 14, section 7 of Earth Not a Globe.

Order the device from NH suppliers? WTF are you smoking man....tie a rock to fishing wire, pull back, let go.  You now have a pendulum.  If it swings long enough you see it change direction.  How hard is that to understand?  And I thought you aggreed that the FE rotates...so is Sammy's outside influence right or is the FE rotating....make up your damn mind for once it's starting to piss me off.

EDIT:  I'm getting angry Tom.  You wouldn't like me when I'm angry   *turns green and starts smashing things*

Order the device from NH suppliers? WTF are you smoking man....tie a rock to fishing wire, pull back, let go.  You now have a pendulum.  If it swings long enough you see it change direction.  How hard is that to understand?

It's true that Foucault's original pendulum was unpowered. But modern Foucault Pendulums are powered devices with electromagnets that periodically reset the pendulum. An electromagnet is needed if you expect the pendulum to perpetually rotate against air friction. Having to manually reset the pendulum every few hours does not really lend well to a children's museum exhibit.

And I thought you aggreed that the FE rotates...so is Sammy's outside influence right or is the FE rotating....make up your damn mind for once it's starting to piss me off.

I agree that the movements of the pendulum indicate a rotating earth, but I have to be fair to the other FE proponents on this forum who disagree with the pendulum entirely.

Maybe, maybe not. Could you tell me which way the pendulum should rotate in the Southern Hemisphere without referring to anything published about it? Most likely not.

The people in the Southern Hemisphere order the devices from the Northern Hemisphere suppliers, set it up, and simply assume that it is rotating in the correct direction without a second thought. After all, the Foucault Pendulum is museum exhibit for children. There is no real scientific study of its movements at the different regions of the Earth.

anyone can make a pendulum and prove it themselves.

"without a second thought"? most of them are set up in UNIVERSITIES. where the students and professors know what should happen. no real scientific study? you have got to be kidding. this is your most baseless argument yet.

If you've ever attended a university you would know that no real research or introspection takes place. It's all memorization and cramming of wrote information. Maybe a student somewhere noticed that the pendulum swings in the incorrect direction. But a single student isn't prepared to challenge all of modern science.If he persisted I doubt that even a tabloid would publish his observation.

considering the number of labs i do every semester, trust me, science in school is not about cramming knowledge from a textbook. another baseless attack. and i won't even address that "single student" comment, single students get their work published all the time, in fact most grad students are REQUIRED to publish, as are most professors. case in point: if all students did was cram information, why would universities bother setting up a foucault's pendulum in the first place?? obviously it's to watch, study, and understand.

Tom that's a load of crap. Universities are centres of research. Who would spend money on a lovely shiny foucault pendulum if it was for kids (how many kids are there at universities). And wouldn't a museum of modern science in the southern hemisphere (with SCIENTISTS not just kit-assemblers) worry if the direction it rotates is contradictory to the way it should rotate according to their explanatory exhibit? Your arguments get stupider every single day I swear, there is no way NO-ONE would notice a pendulum going the wrong way.

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There's only one person at each of the Southern Hemisphere Universities who needs to be paid off.  He's the guy who rigs the pendulum to rotate the opposite way.

Samuel Birley Rowbotham discounts the movements of the pendulum entirely, attributing its movement to a number of other factors. See Chapter 14, section 7 of Earth Not a Globe.

Wow, Tom, did you look at the link you posted at all? It shows that the variations in PERIOD of a pendulum swinging in one dimension, like that of a clock, can be explained. It has nothing to do with rotations.

http://www.camex4.com/photos/Ivan.A2004259.1850.2km.jpg
http://www.camex4.com/photos/Ingrid.A2005067.0400.1km.jpg

two hurricanes, one in australia, the other in the united states. note the obvious opposite direction.

You can't rely on obviously faked satellite photos.

http://science-design.com/

foucault's pendulum can be built by anyone, any time. that website sells some, but notice what it is. a tripod with a piece of string and a ball. are you suggesting that if hundreds of people saw the pendulum in a university going the opposite way that is suggested in their textbook, not one would think to try it themselves?

don't write off an inconvenient fact as lazy or stupid students.

note the quote at the bottom of the page...
"Science isn't about memorizing facts, it's about exploring and being able to prove those facts.  The Science Design Foucault Pendulum proves that the Earth is rotating and now everyone can see that for themselves!"

Holy crap! $695! What the hell can possibly explain that price?

Wow, Tom, did you look at the link you posted at all? It shows that the variations in PERIOD of a pendulum swinging in one dimension, like that of a clock, can be explained. It has nothing to do with rotations.

Uh, the pendulum DOES vibrate back and fourth like a clock.

Watch that cheesy video promo on http://science-design.com for a visual. They sell Foucault Pendulums for elementary school classrooms.

don't write off an inconvenient fact as lazy or stupid students

If you were unfamiliar with Flat Earth Theory and were confronted with a Foucault Pendulum in a children's museum are you telling me that you would immediately study and analyze the direction it rotates just for kicks?

....that doesn't explain them going in opposite directions in the south.

i posted the link purely so you could see that anyone can build one. what did the conspirators do, pay off everyone in the southern hemisphere? with all this paying off, you gotta wonder where the financial advantage is...

now, please, without suggesting it's lazy or stupid or ignorant book-worm university students and professors, please explain why it goes in opposite directions down there...

or the pictures of oppositely spinning hurricanes i posted.

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Wow, Tom, did you look at the link you posted at all? It shows that the variations in PERIOD of a pendulum swinging in one dimension, like that of a clock, can be explained. It has nothing to do with rotations.

Uh, the pendulum DOES vibrate back and fourth like a clock.

Watch the cheesy video promo on that website http://science-design.com/ for a visual.

Yes, but the only thing that Rowbotham explains is that the Period of the swing can be affected by temperature variations. He said nothing about the direction in which it rotates at all. Just because it swings back and forth faster or slower, doesn't mean it's not going in a circle.

....that doesn't explain them going in opposite directions in the south.

The backward moving pendulum in the Southern Hemisphere is nothing more than a hypothesis. Until I see a direct personal observation or reference of an opposite moving pendulum I remain unconvinced.

Yes, but the only thing that Rowbotham explains is that the Period of the swing can be affected by temperature variations. He said nothing about the direction in which it rotates at all. Just because it swings back and forth faster or slower, doesn't mean it's not going in a circle.

Rowbotham is obviously referring to the Foucault Pendulum. Not just any regular pendulum on a clock. Why else would he dedicate a section to explaining its movements in his book entitled Earth Not a Globe?

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Yes, but the only thing that Rowbotham explains is that the Period of the swing can be affected by temperature variations. He said nothing about the direction in which it rotates at all. Just because it swings back and forth faster or slower, doesn't mean it's not going in a circle.

Rowbotham is obviously referring to the Foucault Pendulum. Not just any regular pendulum on a clock. Why else would he dedicate a section to explaining its movements in his book entitled Earth Not a Globe?

He dedicates that chapter because a variation in the period of a pendulum indicates either a change in g or a change in its length. A change in g is inconsistent with flat earth theory, so he attempt to explain it with the latter.

The Science Museum of London isn't a 'children's museum' and, I suspect, neither are all the other science and technology museums in the world. The universities are not for children, and if you're looking for a place full of angry, anti-establishment intelligent people who are willing to challenge the status quo then you'd probably want to look at a university first. I'm sure a few Australian or Argentinian university students would be overjoyed to prove the commonly accepted theory of Earth wrong. I'm sure we all know people (might even be so ourselves) who would take a stab at the establishment if we could. Your theory relies on almost EVERYONE being lazy and unwilling to investigate this problem, in a university full of SCIENTISTS. Have you ever met a real scientist, Tom? They'll be the first to tell you it isn't exactly a money-pot of a profession, so I doubt they'd just write off this inconsistency all the time all over the world when they are presumably passionate about their subject...

Edit: http://www.physclips.unsw.edu.au/jw/foucault_pendulum.html

it is NOT a hypothesis! it has been directly observed! just because you haven't seen it doesn't mean nobody has. believe it or not, there are many people in this world who have seen and learned many things that you have not.

http://www.physclips.unsw.edu.au/jw/foucault_pendulum.html

there it is, there's your "reference", straight up, from the university of new south wales, in australia. there's even a movie for you. note where it says there is NO electromagnetic drive, so it's not a magical motor making it go in the opposite direction.

and i SHOWED you pictures of oppositely spinning hurricanes, so even YOU have seen those.

Beat me to it.

Riddle me that Mr Bishop!

Obviously the pictures are photoshopped and the videos are tampered with from either fusion or after effects.

It also occurred to me that meteorologists take satellite photos every day. Those photoshoppers must have a lot of work to do.

Edit: Taking all bets on how long it takes for this thread to be closed.

http://www.physclips.unsw.edu.au/jw/foucault_pendulum.html

1.) There is no video on that site. Just various copied gif animations from all over the internet.

2.) The author claims in the article that his pendulum moves perpetually and is unpowered. This is completely impossible. Obviously the author does not really have a pendulum and is writing the article off the cuff for classroom acclaim.

They don't say it moves perpetually. It says 'for a few hours'.

You can't debunk every anti-FE source this way, because there's just too many of them. Any digital video is an animation of one kind or another, the video on this site is as legitimate as any and theres NO reason to believe it is not genuine other than it doesn't agree with your theory (no scientific grounds to disbelieve its credibility).

I don't think you read that, Tom

The Foucault Pendulum at the School of Physics of The University of New South Wales is a "hands-on" version. There is no electromagnetic drive but, because of its size once it is started it will swing for several hours. Visitors are invited to start it swinging in a plane that is accurately defined by a fixed vertical wire and a vertical line on the wall. (See the animation above) The pendulum takes seven minutes to precess one degree, but even smaller angles than this can be seen by sighting along the reference plane.

EDIT: Bolded the important part so Tom doesn't have to waste time reading.

It was conducted by a teacher. You can e-mail him if you wish, and ask him how much the government is paying him to be in on the conspiracy: [email protected]

It also occurred to me that meteorologists take satellite photos every day. Those photoshoppers must have a lot of work to do.

It doesn't take very long to photoshop a picture.  They could take 100 pictures a day and one person could modify them and still have time for dinner and the kids.

Quote from: mikedar on April 15, 2007, 06:36:04 PM

It also occurred to me that meteorologists take satellite photos every day. Those photoshoppers must have a lot of work to do.

It doesn't take very long to photoshop a picture.  They could take 100 pictures a day and one person could modify them and still have time for dinner and the kids.

Hmm, I should look into that, it sounds like a good job.

tom...what can one possibly say to you?

you ask for clarification, i give it to you.
you ask for references, you ignore them. (i note you still haven't responded to my hurricane pics)
you ask for movies, i give them to you, you write them off.
i bet you could personally be in the space shuttle in orbit, observing the round earth, and writing it off as a conspiracy or a fake.

nothing you have said recently has any scientific backing or common sense, and you don't even read our posts or links properly.

besides your "it's all a lie" i ask you...can your next post PLEASE have some semblance of scientific explanation in it?

Quote from: CommonCents on April 15, 2007, 06:49:54 PM

Quote from: mikedar on April 15, 2007, 06:36:04 PM

It also occurred to me that meteorologists take satellite photos every day. Those photoshoppers must have a lot of work to do.

It doesn't take very long to photoshop a picture.  They could take 100 pictures a day and one person could modify them and still have time for dinner and the kids.

Hmm, I should look into that, it sounds like a good job.

Heh, digital arts rock.  It's what I do!

He's part of the conspiracy! Get him!