Foucault Pendulum

I may have been asleep, but when did you provide clear and indisputable proof that it was a stolen video? All you said was that it was likely, and even that was completely unfounded.

Tom your arguments are irrelevant.  The point that was intended to be made was still made.  Instead of trying to disprove the point you instead try to discredit the author of the article presented to you.  Many people have discredited your Lord Rowbotham or however you spell his name and when this happens you just plug your ears and go "nahnahnahnah I don't hear you".  You don't even believe in the FE the way Rowbotham did, yet you present his book like it's your damn bible.  You ask for proof, but when presented with it you always act in the same manner.  This is why I believe you are nothing but a troll, no better than Franc T., Planar himself.  How you became a mod is beyond me.  I expect you to remove this post because that's what you seem to do.

For Tom, clear and indisputable proof is out of the question. It is, however, not unreasonable to ask for reliable or semi-reliable evidence that the University Of New South Wales is intentionally falsifying its information. I don't see any. And just because they didn't create the fonts and programming languages for their website themselves doesn't mean their experiments are being falsified or taken from outside sources too. It's just one animation and it's not evidence they are lying.

Bah. I'm done with this topic for today, it's been pretty much exhausted. Tom's JUST GOT OWNED count is up, and that's good enough for me. I can't wait until tomorrow so we can see how the Foucault Pendulum's rotation is the consequence of other forces. Until then, good night everybody.

Quote from: Gin on April 15, 2007, 08:19:28 PM

Irrelevant. You obviously didn't read my post. There is only one North-up map on his site, which he obviously took from someone else but it doesn't form part of the experimental data.

I have provided clear and indisputable proof that the author is taking his animations from outside sources which he does not quote or give proper credit to. It takes no large stretch of the imagination to see that he is taking his other images and information directly from outside sources as well.

Funny you mention someone stealing someone else's work and not giving credit. 

http://www.australia.gov.au/
australian government offical website
http://www.bom.gov.au/
aussie govt: bureau of meteorology, official websiet
http://www.ga.gov.au/map/
you'll like this one: official maps from the govt of australia
http://www.brasil.gov.br/ingles/tourism/
brazilian government tousism page
http://www.govt.nz/record?tid=6&recordid=6161
map of new zealand, courtesy of their government
http://www.chileangovernment.cl/
from the chilean government. i like this one because it even says in the map heading, just for tim, "chile, from north to south"

note how the home country is always pictured northern side up in all these pictures. bit of stretch to say that every map from the southern hemisphere is upside down, isn't it?

i don't even know why i bothered to find these considering how ridiculous your post was in the first place.

So I was reading over all the posts since I have created this thread yesterday (all FIVE PAGES OF POSTS!!), and one thing stuck out to me. Tom said that until he sees an opposite-rotation pendulum in the southern hemisphere, he will remain unconvinced. And videos apparently won't work for him.

Let's try a little logic. A bunch of people in the northern hemisphere say that the Foucault pendulum rotates clockwise in the northern hemisphere (including me, I've seen it at the Griffith Observatory in California). Also, a bunch of people in the southern hemisphere say that the Foucault pendulum rotates counterclockwise in the souther hemisphere.

Now, Tom is saying that the northern hemisphere people are correct, but he is also saying that the southern hemisphere people are wrong. Tom has not even seen a Foucault pendulum in the southern hemisphere, but he says they are wrong anyway.

BUT, if the people in the southern hemisphere were wrong, a lot of people would notice. Word would spread to the northern hemisphere that, hey, Foucault pendulums do actually rotate clockwise. And therefore we would not have so many people believing that the southern hemisphere pendulums rotate counter clockwise and 6 billion people beleiving the earth is round. We do, in fact, know that this is not the case, though.

Foucault pendulums follow a highly predictable path that can be mathematically predicted down to the finest precision anywhere on earth, if the position of the pendulum is known. Claiming that that is a coincidence is like claiming that a² + b² = c² in a right triangle being true is only a coincidence.

Let's try a little logic. A bunch of people in the northern hemisphere say that the Foucault pendulum rotates clockwise in the northern hemisphere (including me, I've seen it at the Griffith Observatory in California).

Was this pendulum you saw powered or unpowered?

Also, a bunch of people in the southern hemisphere say that the Foucault pendulum rotates counterclockwise in the souther hemisphere.

Only ONE man from Australia who steals pictures from the internet says it spins in the opposite direction.

Now, Tom is saying that the northern hemisphere people are correct, but he is also saying that the southern hemisphere people are wrong. Tom has not even seen a Foucault pendulum in the southern hemisphere, but he says they are wrong anyway.

According to the list posted earlier there are very very few pendulums in the Southern Hemisphere.

BUT, if the people in the southern hemisphere were wrong, a lot of people would notice. Word would spread to the northern hemisphere that, hey, Foucault pendulums do actually rotate clockwise. And therefore we would not have so many people believing that the southern hemisphere pendulums rotate counter clockwise and 6 billion people believing the earth is round. We do, in fact, know that this is not the case, though.

If one man from the southern hemisphere challenges all of those six billion people do you really think anyone would notice? Would his observations make a drop in the bucket? Do you think anyone in the Northern Hemisphere would CARE what this man saw?

The truth is that science is as dogmatic as any religion. While I'm an atheist, I can see this very clearly. Scientists have a nasty habit of using the world "evolution" as a magic wand to avoid explaining the exact process and mechanism of natural selection on a biochemical level, for example.

Foucault pendulums follow a highly predictable path that can be mathematically predicted down to the finest precision anywhere on earth, if the position of the pendulum is known. Claiming that that is a coincidence is like claiming that a2 + b2 = c2 in a right triangle being true is only a coincidence.

For decades upon decades people have thought that the Coriolis force between hemispheres was real. Snopes recently provided an analysis that debunked it.

Why have people blindly believed in the Coriolis force for so long? Because it was simply what they were told it was what should happen. Basically the matter was so unimportant that everyone was too lazy to do experimental study of their own.

This ONE man who has NOT been shown up a liar is working for a university, so presumably others have seen it. The electromagnet power on SOME Foucault's pendula are not inducing rotation, why would they? If they are so confident the world is round they wouldn't be needed. Besides, there are plenty (like the one at UNSW we linked) that are not powered. You've jumped from the one link we cited being good evidence to this man being the only one in the southern hemisphere to observe this effect. That's being ridiculous if ever I saw it! Please return with a credible argument that doesnt rely on chronic scientific laziness that you have just asserted exists without any real indication other than your equally ridiculous assertion that science is dogmatic.

This is from the Griffith Observatory web site:

The gently swaying Foucault Pendulum in the W.M. Keck Foundation Central Rotunda has long been a visitor favorite since the building opened in 1935. One of the largest such devices in the world, the fully restored pendulum is actually an elegant scientific instrument which demonstrates the Earth's rotation.

The 240-pound brass ball, suspended by a cable 40 feet long, swings in a constant direction while the Earth turns beneath it. The pendulum is mounted to a bearing in the rotunda ceiling that does not turn with the building as it rotates with the Earth. A ring magnet at the bearing gives a little tug on each swing of the pendulum to keep the pendulum in motion. As the day passes, the pendulum knocks over pegs set up in the pendulum pit and indicates the progress of rotation.

So yes, there is a magnet the keeps the pendulum swaying. The magnet, however, does not make the pendulum turn.

How do you know that only one man in australia says that a Foucault pendulum swings counterclockwise? Do you know everyone who has seen a Foucault pendulum. Do you know everyone who has reported anything on a Foucault pendulum? No, you don't. I don't, either. But I know that when I do a Google search for "Foucault pendulum southern hemisphere" all the web sites that are returned say that Foucault pendulums swing counterclockwise. These sites include both .com sites (from the northern hemisphere) and .au sites (from australia) like http://www.phys.unsw.edu.au/~jw/pendulumdetails.html.

There are five Foucault pendulums in Australia, two in Argentina, one in Puerto Rico, and one in Antarctica. Considering the number of latitudes these are located at, and the availability of them (except for maybe the one at Antarctica), anyone can go visit them and know exactly how much they are going to turn if they did the right amount of math.

If one man from the southern hemisphere challenges all of those six billion people do you really think anyone would notice? Would his observations make a drop in the bucket? Do you think anyone in the Northern Hemisphere would CARE what this man saw?

I repeat, these Foucault pendulums are widely observable (except maybe the one in Antarctica). If the Foucault pendulum really didn't work, then more than one man would be talking about how it doesn't work, and eventually people would realize "Hey, this actually doesn't work."

For decades upon decades people have thought that the Corolis force between hemisphers was real. Snopes recently provided an alysis that debunked it.

Why have people blindly believed in the Corolis force for so long? Because it was simply what they were told and they were too lazy to do experimental study of their own.

Snopes never did any experiment that debunked the Coriolis effect on earth. Snopes did an experiment that debunked the Coriolis effect on water going down a sink  . Here's the link: http://www.snopes.com/science/coriolis.asp.

I can't believe you, Tom. I just can't believe you. Snopes did an experiment proving that the Coriolis effect doesn't affect water going down toilets and sinks, but you say that Snopes debunked the actual Coriolis effect. You try to be scientific, but you change the facts to match your argument. That's utter cowardice in terms of debate. Utter cowardice. Grow some balls, and don't change what other peoples' experiments found. It's insulting.

For real. Where's your precious scientific method, Tom? I don't mean in your own experiments, I mean the interpretation of others results.

  Tom, you ignorant slut!  Did you do a search for "Coriolis Effect disproven" and link to this site without looking at what it said?  Or are you that much of a douche that you deliberately posted false information?

Either way it doesn't help you're credibility.  You are a fantastic human specimen, Tom.