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LineBeast

Other Planets
« on: April 12, 2007, 10:20:59 PM »
Well, are other Planets "Flat" too?  Is Mars Flat?  What about our Moon?  Are all Planets in a  "Dome"?
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Re: Other Planets
« Reply #1 on: April 12, 2007, 10:28:51 PM »
Actually...Mars is a triangle. Pluto is shaped like a Mercedes-Benz, and the Moon is just shaped like a dollar bill. And each one has an Ice Edge.
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Re: Other Planets
« Reply #2 on: April 13, 2007, 12:14:51 AM »
Quote from: InsaneDevan on April 12, 2007, 10:28:51 PM
Actually...Mars is a triangle. Pluto is shaped like a Mercedes-Benz, and the Moon is just shaped like a dollar bill. And each one has an Ice Edge.

Stupid. 

Quote from: LineBeast on April 12, 2007, 10:20:59 PM
Well, are other Planets "Flat" too?  Is Mars Flat?  What about our Moon?  Are all Planets in a  "Dome"?
In the FE model Earth is not a planet, as it is in the RE model.  I don't know about the planets in a dome; we have never been out there to find out. 
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Re: Other Planets
« Reply #3 on: April 13, 2007, 12:17:24 AM »
This makes me question the existence the extra-solar planets.
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Re: Other Planets
« Reply #4 on: April 13, 2007, 08:38:11 AM »
Quote from: EvilToothpaste on April 13, 2007, 12:14:51 AM
In the FE model Earth is not a planet, as it is in the RE model.  I don't know about the planets in a dome; we have never been out there to find out. 

It's important to stress that this is only one interpretation. Many of us believe the other planets to be flat too, and Earth to just be your average life-bearing planet.
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Re: Other Planets
« Reply #5 on: April 13, 2007, 10:36:00 PM »
Of course.  I'm just trying to divorce the idea of the heliocentric planet from the actual flat Earth.  Many devout RE'ers trying to understand the FET stumble over this confusion. 
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Re: Other Planets
« Reply #6 on: April 13, 2007, 10:40:45 PM »
Do these other planets also have a little sun and moon over them that lights and darks them? If so, why can't we see them when we look at them?
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Re: Other Planets
« Reply #7 on: April 13, 2007, 10:44:17 PM »
Quote from: theroundearthguy on April 13, 2007, 10:40:45 PM
Do these other planets also have a little sun and moon over them that lights and darks them? If so, why can't we see them when we look at them?

It's possible because their light would be shining away from us -- at the surface we can see -- rather than towards us.  But we've never been there to find out either way. 
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Re: Other Planets
« Reply #8 on: April 13, 2007, 10:50:07 PM »
Well if they are little dark spots, they should appear. In fact, a daylight image of mars or any other planet doesn't except this.

The transit of venus across our own sun springs to mind. How do you explain this? How is it that venus, an entirely different planet  - a long way from our own, somehow manages to pass between us and our sun?
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Re: Other Planets
« Reply #9 on: April 13, 2007, 10:53:04 PM »
Hmmm, why did that spring to your mind....?
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Re: Other Planets
« Reply #10 on: April 13, 2007, 11:07:36 PM »
Becuase the transit of venus involves venus crossing across the face of the sun in its orbit. You can actually see a little black dot moving across the sun at the time. Kinda proves how big and far away the sun is, and how small the planets are.

It sprung to mind becuase we should see the same thing with the planets as their suns/moons move across them. Only we don't

That's why it sprung to mind
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EvilToothpaste

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Re: Other Planets
« Reply #11 on: April 14, 2007, 02:09:18 AM »
I was thinking my avatar prompted your question.   ;D
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Re: Other Planets
« Reply #12 on: April 14, 2007, 02:15:21 AM »
Yeah....come to think of it...it did. Cool.

I saw that earlier today, and it must have been fresh in my mind.

Anyhoo!

As a FE supporter, what do you have to say about the transit of venus? How can another planet come in front of our sun if it's only 3000 miles away?
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Re: Other Planets
« Reply #13 on: April 14, 2007, 10:00:00 AM »
Quote from: theroundearthguy on April 13, 2007, 10:40:45 PM
Do these other planets also have a little sun and moon over them that lights and darks them? If so, why can't we see them when we look at them?

I made this image to demonstrate why the night sky is different in the southern and northern hemispheres, but it also shows how we only see the undersides of planets (and "stars") which are riding higher than ours on "waves" in the UA. We don't know if other planets have suns or not because we can't see their top halves. If we were able to look over the ice wall, and actually look DOWN on other planets, we might see suns cycling above them.

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Re: Other Planets
« Reply #14 on: April 14, 2007, 10:58:12 AM »
this doesn't explain why the same constellations are visible at the same time in australia and south america, as far away as possible on FE map.
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Re: Other Planets
« Reply #15 on: April 14, 2007, 11:25:47 AM »
Quote from: koji on April 14, 2007, 10:58:12 AM
this doesn't explain why the same constellations are visible at the same time in australia and south america, as far away as possible on FE map.

But when it's daytime in Australia it's nighttime in South America... how can constellations be seen at the same time?
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Re: Other Planets
« Reply #16 on: April 14, 2007, 11:33:09 AM »
*sigh* tom made the same argument

please, it's not like australia and south america have alternating 12 hour days and nights. for half the year, their nights are more than 12 hours....probably upwards of 15-16 hours of night in deep winter...i know nights are about that long where i live in during montreal...

as long as their nights are longer than 12 hours, there must be a period in which both have night at the same time.
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Re: Other Planets
« Reply #17 on: April 14, 2007, 11:56:52 AM »
Quote from: koji on April 14, 2007, 11:33:09 AM
as long as their nights are longer than 12 hours, there must be a period in which both have night at the same time.

If that's the case, show me some test data which demonstrates that constellations can be seen at the same time in both regions, and that they are the same.

(To be honest, I don't see how they could be the same even on a Round Earth model. If you were looking up at the night sky from, say, Brazil, it would pretty much be 90 degrees away from what a person in Australia was seeing.

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Re: Other Planets
« Reply #18 on: April 14, 2007, 12:01:26 PM »
90 degrees away, but the SAME STARS.

and on fourmilab's website you can look up the sky of most of hte world's major cities at any time and it will give you the current star chart. browse away. i posted the link in the other thread... i don't remember it now but you can probably get to it from their homepage, www.fourmilab.com
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Re: Other Planets
« Reply #19 on: April 14, 2007, 12:06:25 PM »
You don't have to lie on your back and look straight up to stargaze. Obviously to see the same stars, they both have to look more toward the horizon.
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Re: Other Planets
« Reply #20 on: April 14, 2007, 12:10:56 PM »
Quote from: koji on April 14, 2007, 12:01:26 PM
90 degrees away, but the SAME STARS.

If anything, that's actually evidence FOR Flat Earth. Look at my crap diagram. How could both see the same stars (if they can even see the same stars) if the Earth is Round?
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Re: Other Planets
« Reply #21 on: April 14, 2007, 12:15:53 PM »
I already answered you. If you choose different lines of sight for both observers, they can intersect.
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Re: Other Planets
« Reply #22 on: April 14, 2007, 12:20:57 PM »
The drawings I've seen from FE'ers to explain why you can see this star but not that are bullshit.  On a RE you could have a line perpendicular to 'up' from where you are.  This line represents the possible stars, not a 45 degree cone.  Honestly, where do you guys come up with that.
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« Reply #23 on: April 16, 2007, 10:39:15 PM »
Remember, the stars are light-years away from us. So even if two people are standing 90 degrees apart from each other on the Earth, as long as they able to see stars less than 45 degress above the horizon (which is very easy to do) the arcs of their vision will intersect far before they reach the stars. Obviously, the further apart the two people become, lower to the horizon they would need to look to see similar stars. The only point at which this becomes impossible is if they are on opposite sides of the Earth (assuming the ideal case - that it's possible to see stars right along the horizon).
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Re: Other Planets
« Reply #24 on: April 16, 2007, 10:46:13 PM »
EvilToothpoaste, I think I remember you doing a lot of calculation to prove the round earth a while ago. But now you seem to be doing the opposite. Do you actually believe in flat earth, or are you playing devil's advocate?
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« Reply #25 on: April 16, 2007, 11:56:40 PM »
Yes, that's true Biggie, I did do a lot of that.  This is, after all, the Flat Earth Society Forum, which pretty much 90% of people just don't get.  Some of my first posts were arguments alongside TheEngineer in favor of the FE.  For me, this isn't about "LOLZ the earth is round!  ur stupid!" or even the opposite.  I'm just here to talk about how we could be wrong or right, and the limits of trusting in what we've been told.  I'm also here to watch fools' heads explode when confronted with a belief other than their own, and when they find they can't prove very much at all, and even better when they are wrong. 

Until it actually effects some decision I make in my life, though, I choose to believe nothing.  And I don't foresee my holding of some belief in the shape of the Earth changing my life anytime soon.  So what does it matter? 
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Re: Other Planets
« Reply #26 on: April 17, 2007, 02:57:39 AM »
In essence it's just more evidence what a load of old cobblers the FE thoery is
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Re: Other Planets
« Reply #27 on: April 17, 2007, 11:14:27 AM »
Sounds pretty reasonable, toothpaste.
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