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Re: so what happens whenn.....
« Reply #30 on: April 16, 2007, 04:15:05 PM »
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It is my firm belief that virtually no one here actually believes in the FE theory.  I think they're just debating how it could be possible.  This would explain why they don't want to do simple experiments such as the Foucault Pendulum, Cavendish Apparatus, and circumnavigating north-south.  This would also explain why pictures are shunned aside.
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« Reply #31 on: April 16, 2007, 04:18:38 PM »
so how comes theres no pictures of this magical ice wall, and many pictures of round earth

How come you have to be so retarded?

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« Reply #32 on: April 16, 2007, 04:19:58 PM »
yea, they shun pics that weaken their case, but just go on to claim that all pics are worthless no matter which side it backs up.

so i'm asking that if there really was photographic evidence to prove the earth is flat, or that the ice wall exists and is gaurded, would they use it to strengthen their case or still just throw it out?

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« Reply #33 on: April 16, 2007, 04:20:17 PM »
so how comes theres no pictures of this magical ice wall, and many pictures of round earth

How come you have to be so retarded?
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« Reply #34 on: April 16, 2007, 04:23:36 PM »
yea, they shun pics that weaken their case, but just go on to claim that all pics are worthless no matter which side it backs up.

so i'm asking that if there really was photographic evidence to prove the earth is flat, or that the ice wall exists and is gaurded, would they use it to strengthen their case or still just throw it out?

They'll show it, but they wont contradict themselves by claiming it as evidence.

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Re: so what happens whenn.....
« Reply #35 on: April 16, 2007, 04:52:06 PM »
I don't shun good quality pictures as at least contributing evidence, as a matter of fact I've previously USED photographic evidence on this forum to support various claims. However, the absolute infallibilty of photographic images should always be taken cautiously, especially now that realistic image editing technology is widely available and comparitively easy.
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« Reply #36 on: April 16, 2007, 04:57:16 PM »
i'd like an FE'er like tom bishop to answer my question

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Re: so what happens whenn.....
« Reply #37 on: April 16, 2007, 04:58:21 PM »
Dogplatter is a FE'er.

Tom is a troll who somehow became a mod.

Please try to get your facts straight.
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Re: so what happens whenn.....
« Reply #38 on: April 17, 2007, 06:43:54 AM »
(I can't believe I'm saying this again)

It is my firm belief that virtually no one here actually believes in the FE theory.  I think they're just debating how it could be possible.  This would explain why they don't want to do simple experiments such as the Foucault Pendulum, Cavendish Apparatus, and circumnavigating north-south.  This would also explain why pictures are shunned aside.


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Re: so what happens whenn.....
« Reply #39 on: April 17, 2007, 10:07:20 AM »
About taking photographs of the Ice Wall...

Being that the Earth is much smaller than science would have us believe, a thousand men on snowmobiles are constantly guarding the wall and murder those who come too close.  Not a single one thinks to ask why they are doing this.

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Re: so what happens whenn.....
« Reply #40 on: April 17, 2007, 10:10:54 AM »
Who said the Earth is smaller than we're led to believe?  Stop pulling stuff out of your asses, this goes for both sides.
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Re: so what happens whenn.....
« Reply #41 on: April 17, 2007, 10:41:34 AM »
Who said the Earth is smaller than we're led to believe?  Stop pulling stuff out of your asses, this goes for both sides.

I'm just saying the Earth must be tiny if a thousand people are able to efficiently guard the entire circumference.

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Re: so what happens whenn.....
« Reply #42 on: April 17, 2007, 11:23:31 AM »
Who said the Earth is smaller than we're led to believe?  Stop pulling stuff out of your asses, this goes for both sides.

I'm just saying the Earth must be tiny if a thousand people are able to efficiently guard the entire circumference.

The people trying to build that fence to keep Mexicans out of the USA could learn a thing or two from the Round Earth Conspiracists!
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« Reply #43 on: April 17, 2007, 12:59:45 PM »
how did this theory of people with guns gaurding the ice wall anyways?

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« Reply #44 on: April 17, 2007, 01:02:16 PM »
It is my firm belief that virtually no one here actually believes in the FE theory.  I think they're just debating how it could be possible.  This would explain why they don't want to do simple experiments such as the Foucault Pendulum, Cavendish Apparatus, and circumnavigating north-south.  This would also explain why pictures are shunned aside.

I won't speak for other FEers, but I have food to buy and rent to pay. I don't have the resources to set up expensive experiments, let alone buy an aeroplane and try and circumnavigate the "globe".
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Re: so what happens whenn.....
« Reply #45 on: April 17, 2007, 01:05:53 PM »
Making a Foucault pendulum isn't that expensive or difficult. There have been more ambitious and costly projects made in all sorts of fields by complete amateurs. For example, a homemade fusion reactor: http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2007/03/28/homemade_fusion_reactor/

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Re: so what happens whenn.....
« Reply #46 on: April 18, 2007, 10:41:24 AM »
Doggy, I threw in that 'virtually' part just for you!

but yea...if you can't afford to make a Cavendish Apparatus then you shouldn't be able to afford your computer, monitor, mouse, keyboard, desk, food, water, electricity, home....
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« Reply #47 on: April 18, 2007, 08:02:47 PM »
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but yea...if you can't afford to make a Cavendish Apparatus then you shouldn't be able to afford your computer, monitor, mouse, keyboard, desk, food, water, electricity, home....

I'll presume you meant the Foucault Pendulum, not the complex Cavendish Experiment.

The Foucault Pendulum is flawed because we must assume that there is zero effect in a room which could affect the pendula. If you've ever yawned and made your ears pop from within the room of a house you've equalized the pressure in your middle ear with the pressure of the room. The air pressure is always and perpetually changing in a room, however minutely. As you take a deep breath your jaw pulls on the muscles connected to the ear and the middle ear is opened to the outside environment. Through a manual yawn we can make the popping noise over and over again, attesting to the quickly changing pressures of a room.

Thus, being concluded that pressure is always changing, we all know that different surrounding pressures creates "wind" which is basically air particles moving from areas of high to low pressures. There are in fact slight imperceptible winds within the stillness of a room. And indeed, even without pressure changes, every motion of your body makes wind.

There is also a matter of which hand you use to drop the pendula and let it swing freely. From the issues I've looked at with inconsistent rotation it seems that some authors believe that the inconsistency or consistency in the direction of its rotation has statistical significance to the left or right handedness of the observer putting the pendula into motion. It is extraordinarily difficult to drop a pendula with zero angular velocity - maybe even impossible.

Here's an experiment any one of us can conduct: Construct a simple Foucault Pendulum in our bedroom from ceiling to floor and see if the pendua's motions are modified when is a door is opened, a window is opened, the temperature of the room is turned up or down, and if one uses his bad hand to put it into motion.
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Re: so what happens whenn.....
« Reply #48 on: April 18, 2007, 08:06:20 PM »
That's bunk, though, because if outside factors had a consistent effect, the results would always be erratic and unpredictable.  Generally they run like clockwork.  You need to provide some explanation for the high percentage of the time that a Foucault Pendulum actually does work.
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« Reply #49 on: April 18, 2007, 08:13:34 PM »
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That's bunk, though, because if outside factors had a consistent effect, the results would always be erratic and unpredictable.

Not really. I can quote direct inconsistencies between different experimenters. Rowbotham even dedicates a little section of his book to it.

Do you have direct experience with a Foucault Pendulum? It's a rather crude "experiment," after all. I'd expect it to be affected by a vast number of effects.

Remember, for a very long time people thought the Coriolis force of liquids was accurate. People still actually think that the direction of a toilet's flush has significance to the rotation of the earth. Snopes found and demonstrated beyond all reason of doubt that that the rotation and momentum of the flush has more to do with the shape of the drain.

I'm simply honestly inquiring whether there might be a hidden "shape to the drain" in the atmosphere of a room.

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Generally they run like clockwork.

Maybe they do behind the glass of a museum where the where a specific angular velocity is continually imparted by an electromagnet. A real unpowered Foucault Pendulum varies wildly. It is a challenge of the experimenter to eliminate as many variables as possible.
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« Reply #50 on: April 18, 2007, 08:19:13 PM »
The Coriolis Effect is still valid, though, just not on a small scale like that.  And unless you think it's part of the Conspiracy, you can't deny that Foucault Pendulums work predictably MOST OF THE TIME.  If you're talking about changes in air pressure or wind drafts or whatever, it wouldn't happen predictably.  It would be subject to the randomization of chaos.
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« Reply #51 on: April 18, 2007, 08:28:28 PM »
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The Coriolis Effect does is still valid, though, just not on a small scale like that.

The large effect of the Coriolis Effect would be extraordinarily hard to disprove since we cannot turn the entire Earth into a closed system like we can with the direction of water flow on a small scale. And still, the Coriolis effect is not universal throughout the hemispheres: there are still wind patterns that rotate in the opposite directions they should.

The two turnings of the winds between hemispheres could even be creating atmospheric "gears", where the teeth lay along the equator. The turning of the "gears" would keep each other generally moving in opposite directions.

And what sits over the equator to make this such a special area? The Sun, which constantly imparts temperatures to the two hemispheres, rising pressure and moving winds within its spotlight outwards toward the low pressures of the night.

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But, back to the pendulas. How do we know know that with the five Foucault Pendulas listed in the Southern Hemisphere, the following did not happen:

    "Her Frank, this Foucault Pendulum exhibit we bought for the children's museum is turning the wrong way."

    "Hmm, that's funny. It must have gotten damaged in shipping. Lets just adjust these screws at the top here until it turns the right way for the kids."

We must remember, Leon Foucault never traveled to the Southern Hemisphere to test his hypothesis for a backwards turning pendula.
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Re: so what happens whenn.....
« Reply #52 on: April 18, 2007, 08:31:56 PM »
I recall you saying there's no such thing as the Coriolis Effect
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« Reply #53 on: April 18, 2007, 08:36:08 PM »
The Coriolis effect on small scale liquids has been disproved by Snopes. I agree with that. It does not exist on that scale.

I also agree with the tendency of wind to move in a direction opposite in the Southern Hemisphere. Whether that's a direct result of the rotation of the earth, or another effect entirely, is what I'm trying to divide.
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« Reply #54 on: April 18, 2007, 08:51:42 PM »
Thank you Tom.
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« Reply #55 on: April 18, 2007, 09:13:09 PM »
The Coriolis effect on small scale liquids has been disproved by Snopes. I agree with that. It does not exist on that scale.

I also agree with the tendency of wind to move in a direction opposite in the Southern Hemisphere. Whether that's a direct result of the rotation of the earth, or another effect entirely, is what I'm trying to divide.

Did you edit his post? Why?

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« Reply #56 on: April 18, 2007, 09:14:57 PM »
I've took a couple of screenshots, just incase he edits yours aswell  ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)

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« Reply #57 on: April 18, 2007, 09:16:38 PM »
Sometimes I accidentally hit the "modify" button on other posts instead of "quote". They are directly next to each other for me. And the data entry screen on "modify" looks exactly the same minus the quote bracket.

My apologies, I returned the post back to its original state the moment after I changed it.
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« Reply #58 on: April 18, 2007, 09:19:10 PM »
Sometimes I accidentally hit the "modify" button on other posts. It's directly to the left of "quote" for me.

My apologies, I returned the post back to its original state the moment I clicked on it.

you're forgiven.

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« Reply #59 on: April 18, 2007, 09:19:38 PM »
Yes sometimes you do that. but most of the time you "accidentally" misunderstand universal facts. I'll just mention one right now, the Earth's shape.
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