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The Shadow Object
« on: April 05, 2007, 08:06:07 PM »
The Earth casts a shadow on the Moon during a lunar eclipse. The shadow is round. So what's your point Tom?
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Re: The Shadow Object
« Reply #1 on: April 05, 2007, 08:13:59 PM »
A shadow with a round edge does not imply a sphere.
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Re: The Shadow Object
« Reply #2 on: April 05, 2007, 08:16:18 PM »
Tom, stop deleting my posts.

As I said in my now deleted post: Go do a proper search for the very same topic.
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Re: The Shadow Object
« Reply #3 on: April 06, 2007, 07:13:02 PM »
Quote from: Tom Bishop on April 05, 2007, 08:13:59 PM
A shadow with a round edge does not imply a sphere.

Every time that shadow is seen, its edge is round. The only solid that always projects a round shadow is a sphere.
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Re: The Shadow Object
« Reply #4 on: April 06, 2007, 07:45:20 PM »
A frisbee shaped object could sometimes project an oval shadow, or indeed a very thin line-shaped one. Try it with a plate.....or a frisbee!
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Re: The Shadow Object
« Reply #5 on: April 06, 2007, 07:47:27 PM »
Quote from: Gin on April 06, 2007, 07:45:20 PM
A frisbee shaped object could sometimes project an oval shadow, or indeed a very thin line-shaped one. Try it with a plate.....or a frisbee!

Well, there you go. The shadow on the Moon is not perfectly round in the least. It looks like a big oval shadow if anything.

See this image.
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Re: The Shadow Object
« Reply #6 on: April 06, 2007, 07:50:42 PM »
What you see there is a perfectly round shadow cast on the moon, which appears irregular because the surface of the moon isnt an even tone...just look at the 'seas' on its surface that make the shadow appear lumpy or irregular. If you watch it happening in real life (we had a beautiful lunar eclipse a month or so ago) it's much clearer that that is the case.

Edit: you should also consider the fact that the shadow of the Earth is bigger than the moon at that distance, and so the appearance of an oval-looking shadow is not impossible as we are looking at the edge of it only....
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Re: The Shadow Object
« Reply #7 on: April 06, 2007, 08:31:29 PM »
Quote from: Tom Bishop on April 06, 2007, 07:47:27 PM
Quote from: Gin on April 06, 2007, 07:45:20 PM
A frisbee shaped object could sometimes project an oval shadow, or indeed a very thin line-shaped one. Try it with a plate.....or a frisbee!

Well, there you go. The shadow on the Moon is not perfectly round in the least. It looks like a big oval shadow if anything.

See this image.

Looks round to me. Anybody else think it is round?

Seriously Tom, look at your evidence before posting.
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Re: The Shadow Object
« Reply #8 on: April 06, 2007, 08:57:28 PM »
Quote from: Tom Bishop on April 06, 2007, 07:47:27 PM
Quote from: Gin on April 06, 2007, 07:45:20 PM
A frisbee shaped object could sometimes project an oval shadow, or indeed a very thin line-shaped one. Try it with a plate.....or a frisbee!

Well, there you go. The shadow on the Moon is not perfectly round in the least. It looks like a big oval shadow if anything.

See this image.

Tom, what you're showing s doesn't look in any way like a lunar eclipse.The phases of the moon are not caused by the earth's shadow; they are caused because moon rotates just like the Round Earth does. You effectively showed us the moon's day and night. Congratulations.

We are talking about a lunar eclipse, which is when the EARTH casts IT'S shadow on the moon. Tom, you were owned in mathematics and you just got owned in simple astronomy. Way to be a token retard.

{EDIT: It was "token douchebag" at the end, but I realized that title was already given to narcberry}
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Re: The Shadow Object
« Reply #9 on: April 06, 2007, 08:58:42 PM »
Watch him delete the evidence of this.
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Re: The Shadow Object
« Reply #10 on: April 06, 2007, 09:07:26 PM »
Don't worry. I copied the screen and saved the images, as well as his link. This won't disappear anytime soon.  8)
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Re: The Shadow Object
« Reply #11 on: April 06, 2007, 09:47:56 PM »
Quote from: Agent_0042 on April 06, 2007, 09:07:26 PM
Don't worry. I copied the screen and saved the images, as well as his link. This won't disappear anytime soon.  8)

Did you read the caption on that picture? It clearly says "Lunar Eclipse."

The images were taken by the 'Waning Moon Observatory' in New Orleans.

http://www.waningmoonii.com/
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Re: The Shadow Object
« Reply #12 on: April 06, 2007, 10:27:05 PM »
It is, indeed, an eclipse.

But it still looks round to me, Tom.  You've lost this one.
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Re: The Shadow Object
« Reply #13 on: April 07, 2007, 12:08:31 AM »
Quote from: Gin on April 06, 2007, 07:45:20 PM
A frisbee shaped object could sometimes project an oval shadow, or indeed a very thin line-shaped one. Try it with a plate.....or a frisbee!

Of course a frisbee, properly angled, would make a round shadow too. But if the frisbee rotated while the eclipse was in progress, the curvature of its shadow would change. The earth's does not.
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Re: The Shadow Object
« Reply #14 on: April 07, 2007, 01:00:30 AM »
Quote from: Tom Bishop on April 06, 2007, 09:47:56 PM
Quote from: Agent_0042 on April 06, 2007, 09:07:26 PM
Don't worry. I copied the screen and saved the images, as well as his link. This won't disappear anytime soon.  8)

Did you read the caption on that picture? It clearly says "Lunar Eclipse."

The images were taken by the 'Waning Moon Observatory' in New Orleans.

http://www.waningmoonii.com/

you realize that that is an outhouse with a cardboard telescope right tom?
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Re: The Shadow Object
« Reply #15 on: April 07, 2007, 01:22:34 AM »
Quote from: Tom Bishop on April 06, 2007, 09:47:56 PM
Quote from: Agent_0042 on April 06, 2007, 09:07:26 PM
Don't worry. I copied the screen and saved the images, as well as his link. This won't disappear anytime soon.  8)

Did you read the caption on that picture? It clearly says "Lunar Eclipse."

The images were taken by the 'Waning Moon Observatory' in New Orleans.

http://www.waningmoonii.com/

That's actually a very cool website he has. 

I thought there would be more darkness than his diagram showed:


It's also interesting how the sunsets are so much quicker than sunrise. 

How do RE'ers explain those phenomena?
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Re: The Shadow Object
« Reply #16 on: April 07, 2007, 04:57:59 AM »
Photos aren't proof, Tom.
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Re: The Shadow Object
« Reply #17 on: April 07, 2007, 08:37:47 AM »
Quote from: Tom Bishop on April 06, 2007, 09:47:56 PM
Quote from: Agent_0042 on April 06, 2007, 09:07:26 PM
Don't worry. I copied the screen and saved the images, as well as his link. This won't disappear anytime soon.  8)

Did you read the caption on that picture? It clearly says "Lunar Eclipse."

The images were taken by the 'Waning Moon Observatory' in New Orleans.

http://www.waningmoonii.com/
Oh. So the caption says. I guess that proves everything. ::)

Regardless of what the caption says, I don't see a lunar eclipse. I see a series of shadows on the surface on the moon. How do you prove that it is a lunar eclipse?

On almost every photo I've seen of a lunar eclipse and the one I've seen in real life, after totality, there is some kind of color distortion i.e. the moon seems to glow a reddish, orangish, or yellowish color (kind of like the "harvest moon" thing). But (of course) the camera battery "runs out" before this can occur. How am I supposed to tell that this is a lunar eclipse? Anyone can take pictures of the night side of the moon and call it a lunar eclipse.

Besides, regardless of whether this is a lunar eclipse or not, other posters have pointed out that the shadow is indeed slightly curved. Just like any portion of the Earth's surface is slightly curved.

Tom, in honor of you, I'm changing my sig from Franc's BS post count to your "JUST GOT OWNED" count. Hope I don't hurt your feelings, Tom.  :'(
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Re: The Shadow Object
« Reply #18 on: April 08, 2007, 04:35:11 PM »
Come on, Tom, you have to cover your tail somehow. If you aren't going to delete the posts, at least give some kind of response.
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Re: The Shadow Object
« Reply #19 on: April 08, 2007, 05:08:34 PM »
Quote from: EvilToothpaste on April 07, 2007, 01:22:34 AM

It's also interesting how the sunsets are so much quicker than sunrise. 

How do RE'ers explain those phenomena?
Way better then the fe model. 
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Re: The Shadow Object
« Reply #20 on: April 09, 2007, 09:34:49 AM »
Quote from: Tom Bishop on April 06, 2007, 09:47:56 PM
Quote from: Agent_0042 on April 06, 2007, 09:07:26 PM
Don't worry. I copied the screen and saved the images, as well as his link. This won't disappear anytime soon.  8)

Did you read the caption on that picture? It clearly says "Lunar Eclipse."

The images were taken by the 'Waning Moon Observatory' in New Orleans.

http://www.waningmoonii.com/

Oh and how do you explain the redness of the moon during totality? I can......can YOU?
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Re: The Shadow Object
« Reply #21 on: April 09, 2007, 06:54:49 PM »
Totally ignored while Tom works away at 'the red-filtering shadow object'.....
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Re: The Shadow Object
« Reply #22 on: April 09, 2007, 07:03:01 PM »
He's probably thinking of a way to dodge the question and reply with some other topic, just like TheEngineer.
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Re: The Shadow Object
« Reply #23 on: April 09, 2007, 08:20:34 PM »
Or he just moved on since it's already explained. Asking your geometry teacher to explain a circular plane to you for the fifth time is likely to yield the same results.

The only question that I think was lost in this mess is how to account for the rotation of the shadow, but that is actually not always the case. There always exists at least one path that will encounter no such change.
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Re: The Shadow Object
« Reply #24 on: April 09, 2007, 08:29:41 PM »
Quote from: narcberry on April 09, 2007, 08:20:34 PM
Or he just moved on since it's already explained. Asking your geometry teacher to explain a circular plane to you for the fifth time is likely to yield the same results.

The only question that I think was lost in this mess is how to account for the rotation of the shadow, but that is actually not always the case. There always exists at least one path that will encounter no such change.

Nonsense. respond properly or don't respond at all.
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Re: The Shadow Object
« Reply #25 on: April 10, 2007, 09:46:44 AM »
Quote from: akira on April 09, 2007, 08:29:41 PM
Quote from: narcberry on April 09, 2007, 08:20:34 PM
Or he just moved on since it's already explained. Asking your geometry teacher to explain a circular plane to you for the fifth time is likely to yield the same results.

The only question that I think was lost in this mess is how to account for the rotation of the shadow, but that is actually not always the case. There always exists at least one path that will encounter no such change.

Nonsense. respond properly or don't respond at all.

You mean preach what you already believe to you? I don't do that here.
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Re: The Shadow Object
« Reply #26 on: May 10, 2007, 11:35:57 PM »
how in the hell can the earth cast a shadow on the moon in FE?
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   Sun                                        Moon
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down here is where any shadow would be

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am I missing something?
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Re: The Shadow Object
« Reply #27 on: May 10, 2007, 11:43:38 PM »
Precisely. If FE is correct, then "lunar eclipse" is a lie. The explanation must be elsewhere.
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Re: The Shadow Object
« Reply #28 on: May 11, 2007, 12:02:13 AM »
Quote from: Tom Bishop on April 05, 2007, 08:13:59 PM
A shadow with a round edge does not imply a sphere.

Um, yes it does...
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Re: The Shadow Object
« Reply #29 on: May 11, 2007, 08:53:55 AM »
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Do you really believe only spheres can cast shadows with rounded edges?  ???
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