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Re: Further FE evidence
« Reply #90 on: April 07, 2007, 05:37:59 PM »
Quote from: sturmguy98 on April 07, 2007, 05:26:18 PM
you are not causing gravity to vanish when you step off the ladder,
Then why can I no longer feel the force when I am in the air?
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Re: Further FE evidence
« Reply #91 on: April 07, 2007, 05:58:07 PM »
Quote from: TheEngineer on April 07, 2007, 05:37:59 PM
Quote from: sturmguy98 on April 07, 2007, 05:26:18 PM
you are not causing gravity to vanish when you step off the ladder,
Then why can I no longer feel the force when I am in the air?

You float around in your plane like the people in a space shuttle? 
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Re: Further FE evidence
« Reply #92 on: April 07, 2007, 06:03:50 PM »
If I enter a non inertial frame of reference, yes.




I did that to my wife when we were still dating - she's afraid of flying.  Hilarity ensued!
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Re: Further FE evidence
« Reply #93 on: April 07, 2007, 08:07:52 PM »
First he says Einstein disproved gravity, then he says blablabla explicitly disproved it.. ok, what's next? Tom Bishop disproved it? Samuel Rowbotham disproved it? Get your facts straight good sir.
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Re: Further FE evidence
« Reply #94 on: April 07, 2007, 09:28:52 PM »
Quote from: TheEngineer on April 07, 2007, 05:37:16 PM
Quote from: pongoz11 on April 07, 2007, 05:08:11 PM
Einstein didn’t disprove gravity he only disproved said that that his equations describing gravity were wrong. Mass in Newton’s equations was wrong. since it has been proven that mass changes at near the speed of light Einstein merely changed the mass to say that it equals mass over the squareroot of 1 - v^2/c^2.
Nope, sorry.  General Relativity completely disagrees with Newton's gravity.

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Re: Further FE evidence
« Reply #95 on: April 07, 2007, 09:35:52 PM »
Quote from: akira on April 07, 2007, 08:07:52 PM
First he says Einstein disproved gravity, then he says blablabla explicitly disproved it.
I fail to see the complication.
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Re: Further FE evidence
« Reply #96 on: April 07, 2007, 09:37:32 PM »
Quote from: DakaSha on April 07, 2007, 09:28:52 PM
Quote from: TheEngineer on April 07, 2007, 05:37:16 PM
Quote from: pongoz11 on April 07, 2007, 05:08:11 PM
Einstein didn’t disprove gravity he only disproved said that that his equations describing gravity were wrong. Mass in Newton’s equations was wrong. since it has been proven that mass changes at near the speed of light Einstein merely changed the mass to say that it equals mass over the squareroot of 1 - v^2/c^2.
Nope, sorry.  General Relativity completely disagrees with Newton's gravity.

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Re: Further FE evidence
« Reply #97 on: April 07, 2007, 09:54:11 PM »
Quote from: TheEngineer on April 07, 2007, 08:12:39 AM
Quote from: sturmguy98 on April 07, 2007, 12:48:23 AM
also, if the sun and moon were as small as you say they are, and gravity has been disproven by yourselves, how do you explain the tides?
Einstein disproved gravity.

He did not.
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Re: Further FE evidence
« Reply #98 on: April 07, 2007, 10:00:01 PM »
BAIKONUR, Kazakhstan  (AP) -- A Russian rocket carrying U.S. billionaire Charles Simonyi and two cosmonauts blasted off Saturday en route to the international space station.

The rocket roared away from the Baikonur cosmodrome into the overcast night skies over the bleak Kazakh steppes, bathing the launch pad and dozens of officials and well-wishers in a glow of flame as it rose vertically, then turned downrange.

Simonyi, a 58-year-old Hungarian-born software programmer who helped develop Microsoft Word, paid more than $20 million for a 13-day trip to the orbiting station. He is the fifth paying "space tourist" to make the trip.

- Wow, a BILLIONAIRE is in the conspiracy too? What more does he want? Sure, you have 10000 cakes to eat in one day, someone offers you 2000 more cakes for you to keep limited for that one day, would you accept it? Such pathetic assumptions you FE community keep holding on to.
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Re: Further FE evidence
« Reply #99 on: April 07, 2007, 10:04:34 PM »
Even a Billionaire cannot buy his way past the point where military airspace begins.
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Re: Further FE evidence
« Reply #100 on: April 07, 2007, 10:05:43 PM »
Also, a billionaire could not murder someone and get free of charge. So where are you getting at?
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Re: Further FE evidence
« Reply #101 on: April 07, 2007, 10:06:48 PM »
Quote from: akira on April 07, 2007, 09:54:11 PM
Quote from: TheEngineer on April 07, 2007, 08:12:39 AM
Quote from: sturmguy98 on April 07, 2007, 12:48:23 AM
also, if the sun and moon were as small as you say they are, and gravity has been disproven by yourselves, how do you explain the tides?
Einstein disproved gravity.

He did not.
Then how did he come up with General Relativity?  Because GR relies on gravity not existing.
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Re: Further FE evidence
« Reply #102 on: April 07, 2007, 10:09:29 PM »
GR is Einstein’s theory based on the idea that the laws of science should be the same for all observers, no matter how they are moving. It explains the force of gravity in terms of the curvature of a four-dimensional space-time.
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Re: Further FE evidence
« Reply #103 on: April 07, 2007, 10:14:09 PM »
Quote from: akira on April 07, 2007, 10:05:43 PM
Also, a billionaire could not murder someone and get free of charge. So where are you getting at?

What I'm getting at is that even if a Billionaire built his own rocketship, he must first get clearance before breaching the millitary airspace mark of 60,000 feet. Attaining this clearance entails following certain inspections and procedures laid out and mandated by the Federal Government.

I wouldn't know what the depth of these inspections and forced modifications are since the details are kept off the record, but I'm sure that they are interesting none-the-less.

« Last Edit: April 07, 2007, 10:15:50 PM by Tom Bishop »
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Re: Further FE evidence
« Reply #104 on: April 07, 2007, 10:17:36 PM »
Quote from: akira on April 07, 2007, 10:09:29 PM
It explains the force of gravity in terms of the curvature of a four-dimensional space-time.
No, it explains how the curvature of spacetime causes gravitation. 
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Re: Further FE evidence
« Reply #105 on: April 07, 2007, 10:22:35 PM »
Quote from: TheEngineer on April 07, 2007, 08:12:39 AM
Quote from: sturmguy98 on April 07, 2007, 12:48:23 AM
also, if the sun and moon were as small as you say they are, and gravity has been disproven by yourselves, how do you explain the tides?
Einstein disproved gravity.

Einstein did not disprove Newton. The Newtonian equations are still embodied in Relativity as the special case of low velocity/low mass. All Einstein done was model the case of where Newton is not applicable.
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Re: Further FE evidence
« Reply #106 on: April 07, 2007, 10:55:45 PM »
So Newton's law of gravitation:  F = Gm1m2/r^2 is still contained in GR?  Well, Relativity has this part about information not being able to travel faster than light.  Therefore, Newton's law has a fatal flaw.
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Re: Further FE evidence
« Reply #107 on: April 07, 2007, 11:16:19 PM »
The problem is that it takes 4-5 of maths/physics background to fully understand Einsteins theory. The Maths is expressed in Tensors, a more general case for vectors and matrices. Also, how can you understand WHAT gravity is without first fully understanding Newtons gravity and kinematics alongside electromagnetics.

Even Einstein did not say that his general theory disproved Newton's law of gravitation, only that it was an extension.
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Re: Further FE evidence
« Reply #108 on: April 08, 2007, 12:01:04 AM »
So...how can you reconcile the whole faster than light thing? 
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Re: Further FE evidence
« Reply #109 on: April 08, 2007, 06:00:28 AM »
Quote from: TheEngineer on April 07, 2007, 06:03:50 PM
If I enter a non inertial frame of reference, yes.

That's just it: You can't.

So gravity in all possible reference frames must exist, and since we cannot exist in a non inertial frame, then gravity must also exist.

Also, according to the "Big Bang" Theory (which is accepted by FET as well RET as an explanation for the earths simulated gravity due to constant acceleration of the earth) the universe is in constant expansion and acceleration (with parts at possible FTL speeds), which could implicate that the entire universe is in an inertial reference frame. Therefore, the speculation that General Relativity gives about gravity in a non inertial reference frame is unproven since we do not know of anything that has or ever will be in such a reference frame.

I hope I didn't confuse anyone.
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Re: Further FE evidence
« Reply #110 on: April 08, 2007, 07:34:39 AM »
Quote from: Hara Taiki on April 08, 2007, 06:00:28 AM
Quote from: TheEngineer on April 07, 2007, 06:03:50 PM
If I enter a non inertial frame of reference, yes.

That's just it: You can't.

Sure you can.  I enter non inertial FORs hundreds of times every day.  As do you.  As does anybody who gets out of bed at some point during the day.  If you accelerate, you are in a non inertial FOR.

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So gravity in all possible reference frames must exist, and since we cannot exist in a non inertial frame, then gravity must also exist.
We live in a non inertial FOR, which we have made inertial by adding a pseudo force, gravity.

(We live in a non inertial FOR, which by adding 'gravity' has transformed it to an inertial one, which means that anytime you accelerate you are entering a non inertial frame, even though we are constantly non inertial.) 
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Re: Further FE evidence
« Reply #111 on: April 08, 2007, 08:39:15 AM »
Quote from: TheEngineer on April 08, 2007, 07:34:39 AM
Quote from: Hara Taiki on April 08, 2007, 06:00:28 AM
Quote from: TheEngineer on April 07, 2007, 06:03:50 PM
If I enter a non inertial frame of reference, yes.

That's just it: You can't.

Sure you can.  I enter non inertial FORs hundreds of times every day.  As do you.  As does anybody who gets out of bed at some point during the day.  If you accelerate, you are in a non inertial FOR.

No, you can't.

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the entire universe is in an inertial reference frame

Just because you are sitting or laying down does not mean you are not moving.

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So gravity in all possible reference frames must exist, and since we cannot exist in a non inertial frame, then gravity must also exist.
We live in a non inertial FOR, which we have made inertial by adding a pseudo force, gravity.

(We live in a non inertial FOR, which by adding 'gravity' has transformed it to an inertial one, which means that anytime you accelerate you are entering a non inertial frame, even though we are constantly non inertial.) 

Ok, you officially confused me.
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Re: Further FE evidence
« Reply #112 on: April 08, 2007, 09:28:48 AM »
Quote from: Hara Taiki on April 08, 2007, 08:39:15 AM
Quote from: TheEngineer on April 08, 2007, 07:34:39 AM
Quote from: Hara Taiki on April 08, 2007, 06:00:28 AM
Quote from: TheEngineer on April 07, 2007, 06:03:50 PM
If I enter a non inertial frame of reference, yes.

That's just it: You can't.

Sure you can.  I enter non inertial FORs hundreds of times every day.  As do you.  As does anybody who gets out of bed at some point during the day.  If you accelerate, you are in a non inertial FOR.

No, you can't.
That's what happens when you accelerate.  Newton's laws don't apply in a non inertial FOR.  That's how the Coriolis and centrifugal 'forces' come about.
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Re: Further FE evidence
« Reply #113 on: April 10, 2007, 05:53:03 PM »
You people piss me off  >:( you just argue about stupid stuff.  Im reffering to both RE FE and various religions here, as well as atheists.  I dont give a rip!  Stop arguing and accept Dread Cthulhu!  Bow to him and worship the Signs of Power we have been given!

Together we shall raise the dead and summon the night things, and united we shall march onward.  We shall awaken the things that lie dead but dreaming beneath.

The last to sleep shall be the first to awaken.  But mostly beware him, for his bowel is made of coffin-nails and out of it shall come forth a plauge of frogs.

The Prophet has spoken.

Ia!
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Re: Further FE evidence
« Reply #114 on: April 10, 2007, 06:49:38 PM »
This thread wins the "1,000,000th Thread to Get Completely Off-Topic" award! Congratulations to all of you who helped us meet this incredible goal.

Ironically you were just a bit short of winning the "1,000,000th Thread to Start Arguing Over the Exact Same Stale-Mate Questions That Are Brought Up in Every Other Thread" award. On another note, the "10,000th Post in Which an Argument is Refuted Without any Supporting Evidence" award is still up for grabs. Get to flaming!



Anyway, the distance between Europe and Africa varies since the two coasts are not perfectly parallel lines. It goes from less than 15km to more than 1000km depending on where you measure, but in very many locations the distance is small enough for the opposite cost to be seen over the horizon. This is not sufficient evidence to disprove a round Earth.
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Re: Further FE evidence
« Reply #115 on: July 16, 2007, 12:46:10 PM »
...because this was one of my favorites.
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Re: Further FE evidence
« Reply #116 on: July 16, 2007, 08:08:03 PM »
If the world was flat, you could see it perfectly. however, it seems tiny because of the curve. and no, i'm not.
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Re: Further FE evidence
« Reply #117 on: July 18, 2007, 10:09:40 PM »
Quote from: narcberry on April 04, 2007, 07:32:24 AM
The northern shore of Africa is visible from the south of Europe. Yet the Mediterranean sea is too long to see over if the world is round.. Perhaps some of you are considering the flat earth more seriously now.
It's pretty obvious this guy isn't for real.
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Re: Further FE evidence
« Reply #118 on: September 02, 2007, 08:22:17 PM »
Quote from: TeflonTuxedo on July 16, 2007, 08:08:03 PM
If the world was flat, you could see it perfectly. however, it seems tiny because of the curve. and no, i'm not.

Another victory for FE!!!
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