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Further FE evidence

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Re: Further FE evidence
« Reply #60 on: April 07, 2007, 12:10:44 AM »
What's been proven?
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Re: Further FE evidence
« Reply #61 on: April 07, 2007, 12:13:30 AM »
GPS uses satellites.
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Re: Further FE evidence
« Reply #62 on: April 07, 2007, 12:29:20 AM »
How has it been proven?  What about GPS from pseudolites?
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Re: Further FE evidence
« Reply #63 on: April 07, 2007, 12:33:46 AM »
The way you convince someone that the earth is flat is by saying "look out your window".

Give me one reason why I shouldn't use the same way of responding?

Look at the world.
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Re: Further FE evidence
« Reply #64 on: April 07, 2007, 12:42:32 AM »
Funny, just because you don't believe anyone has viewed earth from space, makes you disbelieve in the use of satellites for GPS.
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Re: Further FE evidence
« Reply #65 on: April 07, 2007, 12:43:56 AM »
All this comes back to your close minded views upon factual information.
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Re: Further FE evidence
« Reply #66 on: April 07, 2007, 12:46:15 AM »
While we're on it, care to be more close minded? Atleast show some response/argument.

Magnetism: It is caused by molten rock moving inside the Earth, creating friction that causes magnetism. If the Earth is flat, compasses wouldn't work. If they had a giant magnet, it would have to be so huge and powerful that it would move very large metal objects, such as cars in the northern hemisphere.

Volcanoes: Where is the lava coming from? How does lava circulate underneath a flat Earth and erupt?

Earthquakes: The Earth would not be solid since there are Earthquakes. It would be completely broken up.

The Oceans: They wouldn't move. With a flat Earth, they would have no spinning motion, but instead only a vertical motion, causing them to be held in place.
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Re: Further FE evidence
« Reply #67 on: April 07, 2007, 12:48:23 AM »
also, if the sun and moon were as small as you say they are, and gravity has been disproven by yourselves, how do you explain the tides?
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Re: Further FE evidence
« Reply #68 on: April 07, 2007, 08:12:16 AM »
Quote from: akira on April 07, 2007, 12:42:32 AM
Funny, just because you don't believe anyone has viewed earth from space, makes you disbelieve in the use of satellites for GPS.
The fact that the FE does not have a gravitational field makes me disbelieve in their use.

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Magnetism: It is caused by molten rock moving inside the Earth, creating friction that causes magnetism. If the Earth is flat, compasses wouldn't work. If they had a giant magnet, it would have to be so huge and powerful that it would move very large metal objects, such as cars in the northern hemisphere.
A very large magnet?  What do you think is in the center of the RE if not a very large magnet?

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Volcanoes: Where is the lava coming from? How does lava circulate underneath a flat Earth and erupt?
The earth is not 2D.

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Earthquakes: The Earth would not be solid since there are Earthquakes. It would be completely broken up.
The earth is not solid.

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The Oceans: They wouldn't move. With a flat Earth, they would have no spinning motion, but instead only a vertical motion, causing them to be held in place.
Of course the FE spins.
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Re: Further FE evidence
« Reply #69 on: April 07, 2007, 08:12:39 AM »
Quote from: sturmguy98 on April 07, 2007, 12:48:23 AM
also, if the sun and moon were as small as you say they are, and gravity has been disproven by yourselves, how do you explain the tides?
Einstein disproved gravity.
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Re: Further FE evidence
« Reply #70 on: April 07, 2007, 08:20:26 AM »
 ::) LOL
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Re: Further FE evidence
« Reply #71 on: April 07, 2007, 08:28:31 AM »
Quote from: TheEngineer on April 07, 2007, 08:12:39 AM
Quote from: sturmguy98 on April 07, 2007, 12:48:23 AM
also, if the sun and moon were as small as you say they are, and gravity has been disproven by yourselves, how do you explain the tides?
Einstein disproved gravity.

That "fact" is blown way out of proportion. He never proved it wrong, rather, he adopted General Relativity into science. And the true fact remains, General Relativity hasn't proved gravity to be false.
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Re: Further FE evidence
« Reply #72 on: April 07, 2007, 08:34:07 AM »
General Relativity relies on gravity being a pseudo force.
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Re: Further FE evidence
« Reply #73 on: April 07, 2007, 08:45:35 AM »
Quote from: Dummhuman on April 06, 2007, 11:33:11 PM
What an absurd argument you Round-Earthers are making, because we Flat-Earthers still have discussions, and reasoned scientific debate concerning our maps. and you all accept the same ones that have been shoved down own throats by the media, we are suddenly the dishonest ones?  We Flat-Earthers may not be able to agree on a map, but you Round-Earthers are merely acting as repeaters for whatever the media tells you!
Agree on a map? FE has yet to even produce a map.

And Flat-Earthers just regurgitate what "Earth: Not a Globe" tells them. Execpt for Franc T. and his "infinite planar Earth".
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Re: Further FE evidence
« Reply #74 on: April 07, 2007, 09:14:03 AM »
Quote from: TheEngineer on April 07, 2007, 08:34:07 AM
General Relativity relies on gravity being a pseudo force.

The actuality of it is that General Relativity is a gravitational theory in itself. All Einstein did was made progression in the gravitational field. Because, if GR proved gravity wrong, then itself would be wrong.
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Re: Further FE evidence
« Reply #75 on: April 07, 2007, 09:44:42 AM »
In other words, Engineer, General Relativity didn't disprove gravity, it modified our theories about it.
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Re: Further FE evidence
« Reply #76 on: April 07, 2007, 10:24:35 AM »
"Gravity cannot be held responsible for people falling in love." -- Albert Einstein.

As you can comprehend, that's one of Einstein's famous quotes. Sure, Einstein doesn't believe such thing as gravity but he says such a thing. Very bright of you Engineer.
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Re: Further FE evidence
« Reply #77 on: April 07, 2007, 11:22:16 AM »
General relativity EXPLICITLY states that gravity does not exist.
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Re: Further FE evidence
« Reply #78 on: April 07, 2007, 11:34:18 AM »
I'm lost. Please point out where it explicitly states that gravity doesn't exist. Cause I know when I drop my stuff, the "act of gravity" (a la gravitation) is indeed very real, and I don't think i wanna call it the "Bananaty" or something weird.

It is my understanding that General Relativity actually simply modifies our understanding of "gravity" or the effects of "gravity".
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Re: Further FE evidence
« Reply #79 on: April 07, 2007, 11:37:04 AM »
you know even if there is a conspiricy ill gladly believe in it. at least IT is explained.
Flat earth means your a crazy nut :P
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Re: Further FE evidence
« Reply #80 on: April 07, 2007, 11:47:57 AM »
That isnt proof.  Such a profound argument.

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Re: Further FE evidence
« Reply #81 on: April 07, 2007, 02:11:35 PM »
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I'm lost. Please point out where it explicitly states that gravity doesn't exist.

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One of the defining features of general relativity is the idea that gravitational 'force' is replaced by geometry. In general relativity, phenomena that in classical mechanics are ascribed to the action of the force of gravity (such as free-fall, orbital motion, and spacecraft trajectories) are taken in general relativity to represent inertial motion in a curved spacetime. So what people standing on the surface of the Earth perceive as the 'force of gravity' is a result of their undergoing a continuous physical acceleration caused by the mechanical resistance of the surface on which they are standing.

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In scientific terminology gravitation and gravity are distinct. Gravitation is the attractive influence that all objects exert on each other, while "gravity" specifically refers to a force which all massive objects are theorized to exert on each other to cause gravitation. Although these terms are used interchangeably in everyday use, in theories other than Newton's, gravitation is caused by factors other than gravity. For example in general relativity, gravitation is due to spacetime curvatures which causes inertially moving objects to tend to accelerate towards each other.
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Re: Further FE evidence
« Reply #82 on: April 07, 2007, 02:13:58 PM »
Quote from: Round Earth Conspiracist on April 07, 2007, 09:44:42 AM
In other words, Engineer, General Relativity didn't disprove gravity, it modified our theories about it.
The modification was that it didn't exist as a force.
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Re: Further FE evidence
« Reply #83 on: April 07, 2007, 02:20:50 PM »
It's still a force, but what's changed is the model on how the force is actually caused.

So now we've got a choice on mechanics for the RET model: gravitons causing the inertial acceleration, or space-time itself causing inertial acceleration. It's still "gravity" per se, but the mechanics have changed.

Gravitation is the act of inertial acceleration of two bodies towards each other. Gravity is the mechanics of gravitation.
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Re: Further FE evidence
« Reply #84 on: April 07, 2007, 02:35:12 PM »
No, it's not a force.  It's a pseudo force.  It arises from being in a non inertial frame of reference. 
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Re: Further FE evidence
« Reply #85 on: April 07, 2007, 03:14:47 PM »
One of the definitions of the word "force" in the dictionary is as follows: "An influence on a body or system, producing or tending to produce a change in movement or in shape"

"Gravity" does follow this definition. Therefore it is a force. The only thing that has changed because of General Relativity, is again, the mechanics of "gravity", be it by particle, or by the fabric of space-time.
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Re: Further FE evidence
« Reply #86 on: April 07, 2007, 04:43:32 PM »
If it's an actual force, how can it be made to vanish simply by stepping off a ladder?
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Re: Further FE evidence
« Reply #87 on: April 07, 2007, 05:08:11 PM »
Quote from: TheEngineer on April 07, 2007, 08:12:39 AM
Quote from: sturmguy98 on April 07, 2007, 12:48:23 AM
also, if the sun and moon were as small as you say they are, and gravity has been disproven by yourselves, how do you explain the tides?
Einstein disproved gravity.
Einstein didn’t disprove gravity he only disproved said that that his equations describing gravity were wrong. Mass in Newton’s equations was wrong. since it has been proven that mass changes at near the speed of light Einstein merely changed the mass to say that it equals mass over the squareroot of 1 - v^2/c^2.
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Re: Further FE evidence
« Reply #88 on: April 07, 2007, 05:26:18 PM »
you are not causing gravity to vanish when you step off the ladder, your potential energy, in theory, still exists, but because there is a giant spherical rock under you, it doesn't have a practical use
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Re: Further FE evidence
« Reply #89 on: April 07, 2007, 05:37:16 PM »
Quote from: pongoz11 on April 07, 2007, 05:08:11 PM
Einstein didn’t disprove gravity he only disproved said that that his equations describing gravity were wrong. Mass in Newton’s equations was wrong. since it has been proven that mass changes at near the speed of light Einstein merely changed the mass to say that it equals mass over the squareroot of 1 - v^2/c^2.
Nope, sorry.  General Relativity completely disagrees with Newton's gravity.
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