Traveling Directly South?

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Traveling Directly South?
« on: February 06, 2017, 05:27:20 PM »
I've seen numerous explanations on east-west travel on this site. The premise makes sense, if you follow a compass west then the north pole will always appear on your right. Whether the earth is a spheroid or a flat circle, this holds true.

This does not, however, explain north-south travel. If you were to travel directly south in a straight line, by the flat earth theory you would come to the end of the earth once you hit the "ice ring" around the outside of the circle. What happens if you keep going? If earth is an infinite plane, wouldn't we have mapped out things past the ice ring by now? It would be statistically improbably for the only land masses on earth to exist at the center.

Also, direct south travel only gives more evidence to the earth being a spheroid. Imagine two travelers, one in Asia and one North America, at equal degrees latitude. Now imagine they both travel directly south at equal speeds, i.e. directly away from the north pole or center of the flat round earth. If the world is indeed flat, they would be  traveling farther and farther apart until they effectively reach opposite ends of the earth. Instead, gps and a multitude of other tracking technological advancements tell us that they are not in fact moving farther apart. As they move farther south, they actually get closer together in every way. How is any of this explained by the flat earth theory?

Also, assume we accept the theory of the flat earth for a moment. What is on the opposite side of the earth?  Do you assume that the earth encompasses the entire universe and there is no other side? If that's the case, than the earth Would still be a sphere, albeit a reversed one. If the earth is a continuous flat plane, how do you explain the molten core of the earth? Does there only exist fire and lava at infinitum for half of the universe?

These all seem to be questions unanswered in any of your linked materials or publications. I'd love to see someone explain any of these situations using actual scientific evidence.

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Re: Traveling Directly South?
« Reply #1 on: February 06, 2017, 07:48:59 PM »
I've seen numerous explanations on east-west travel on this site. The premise makes sense, if you follow a compass west then the north pole will always appear on your right. Whether the earth is a spheroid or a flat circle, this holds true.

This does not, however, explain north-south travel. If you were to travel directly south in a straight line, by the flat earth theory you would come to the end of the earth once you hit the "ice ring" around the outside of the circle. What happens if you keep going? If earth is an infinite plane, wouldn't we have mapped out things past the ice ring by now? It would be statistically improbably for the only land masses on earth to exist at the center.

Also, direct south travel only gives more evidence to the earth being a spheroid. Imagine two travelers, one in Asia and one North America, at equal degrees latitude. Now imagine they both travel directly south at equal speeds, i.e. directly away from the north pole or center of the flat round earth. If the world is indeed flat, they would be  traveling farther and farther apart until they effectively reach opposite ends of the earth. Instead, gps and a multitude of other tracking technological advancements tell us that they are not in fact moving farther apart. As they move farther south, they actually get closer together in every way. How is any of this explained by the flat earth theory?

Also, assume we accept the theory of the flat earth for a moment. What is on the opposite side of the earth?  Do you assume that the earth encompasses the entire universe and there is no other side? If that's the case, than the earth Would still be a sphere, albeit a reversed one. If the earth is a continuous flat plane, how do you explain the molten core of the earth? Does there only exist fire and lava at infinitum for half of the universe?

These all seem to be questions unanswered in any of your linked materials or publications. I'd love to see someone explain any of these situations using actual scientific evidence.

North-South circumnavigation by air has been done:


But if the earth were circumnavigated from north to south, via the South Pole and back via the North Pole to the starting point,
that would at least prove that the "Ice-Wall Map" was completely wrong.

And yes, it HAS been done a couple of times, via both poles.

Quote from: Guiness Book of Records
First Circumnavigation via both Poles by Aircraft
Captain Elgen M. Long achieved the first circum-polar flight in a twin-engined Piper PA-31 Navajo from 5 November to 3 December 1971. He covered 62,597 km (38,896 miles) in 215 flying hours.
from: First Circumnavigation via both Poles by Aircraft, Guiness Book of Records

Quote from: NY Times
Charles Burton 59 a Pole-to-Pole Explorer
Charles Burton, a British explorer who took part in the first expedition to circumnavigate the globe from pole to pole, died on Monday at his family home in the English village of Framfield in Sussex. He was 59 and had suffered a heart attack, said his brother, Richard.
from: Charles Burton 59 a Pole-to-Pole Explorer, NY Times

And
Quote from: Dan Namowitz, AOPA
AROUND THE WORLD, OVER THE POLES BILL HARRELSON ‘SHATTERS’ SPEED RECORD
A pilot from Fredericksburg, Virginia, has flown around the world in a single-engine airplane on a route down the eastern side of the Americas, over the South Pole, across the Pacific Ocean, up the West Coast of the U.S. to Alaska, over the North Pole, and home.

Followers tagged along on social media and an online flight tracker as Bill Harrelson, 68, completed his journey with a landing back where he started in Kinston, North Carolina, the afternoon of Jan. 21. The final leg capped a 24-day adventure that will allow him to claim a speed record that his team said "shatters" a 1987 mark set by Richard D. Norton.



Bill Harrelson flew over the South Pole Amundsen-Scott Station.
Photo courtesy of Bill Harrelson.
     
Bill Harrelson's planned route over the South Pole
     
Harrelson's route over the North Pole

From: AROUND THE WORLD, OVER THE POLES BILL HARRELSON ‘SHATTERS’ SPEED RECORD

« Last Edit: July 11, 2017, 04:35:34 PM by rabinoz »

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Re: Traveling Directly South?
« Reply #2 on: February 06, 2017, 09:15:09 PM »
Flat idiots cant respond to this!!! Unless they ignore reality!!!  ;D  :D ;D

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Re: Traveling Directly South?
« Reply #3 on: February 06, 2017, 11:01:49 PM »
Flat idiots cant respond to this!!! Unless they ignore reality!!!  ;D  :D ;D
That is there typical tactic.
They will claim that no one has ever travelled south and gotten to the other side.

They will also claim that Antarctica is guarded and no one is allowed to go there.

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Re: Traveling Directly South?
« Reply #4 on: February 07, 2017, 12:18:47 AM »
The expedition including "Sir Ranulph Fiennes and Charles Burton (both UK) of the British Trans-Globe Expedition" is credited with being the first to circumnavigate both geographic poles. First circumnavigation via both Poles, surface
A better description is in Transglobe expedition: Ranulph Fiennes ‘Vertical’ Circumpolar Navigation of the World

         
Route of first circumnavigation via both Poles, surface



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Re: Traveling Directly South?
« Reply #5 on: February 08, 2017, 12:03:39 AM »
Flat idiots cant respond to this!!! Unless they ignore reality!!!  ;D  :D ;D

Can you take an IQ exam with a flat earth believer? Be sure you are one of the most idiot one in this place.

We don't interest with all kind of topics. Everybody has a different interests. And we are usually busy persons. This is why nobody respond it. We did not but we can.
1+2+3+...+∞= 1

Come on bro, just admit that the the earth isn't a sphere, you won't even be wrong

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Re: Traveling Directly South?
« Reply #6 on: February 08, 2017, 12:23:19 AM »
If earth is an infinite plane, wouldn't we have mapped out things past the ice ring by now?

Are you assuming everything doable should have already have been done by now?

Mount Everest has stood for countless millennia. Should not someone have reached the summit prior to Edmund Hillary?

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Re: Traveling Directly South?
« Reply #7 on: February 08, 2017, 03:03:28 AM »
Flat idiots cant respond to this!!! Unless they ignore reality!!!  ;D  :D ;D

Can you take an IQ exam with a flat earth believer? Be sure you are one of the most idiot one in this place.

We don't interest with all kind of topics. Everybody has a different interests. And we are usually busy persons. This is why nobody respond it. We did not but we can.
Even people with an IQ of 160, like you and sceptimatic need to gather real world data. You cannot think up the shape of the earth or the reality of the South Pole.

Many people have visited the South Pole and "Amundsen Scott South Pole Station has a summer population of around 150 or so."


Re: Traveling Directly South?
« Reply #8 on: February 08, 2017, 04:15:20 AM »
Also, direct south travel only gives more evidence to the earth being a spheroid. Imagine two travelers, one in Asia and one North America, at equal degrees latitude. Now imagine they both travel directly south at equal speeds, i.e. directly away from the north pole or center of the flat round earth. If the world is indeed flat, they would be  traveling farther and farther apart until they effectively reach opposite ends of the earth. Instead, gps and a multitude of other tracking technological advancements tell us that they are not in fact moving farther apart. As they move farther south, they actually get closer together in every way. How is any of this explained by the flat earth theory?[

What direct experience do you possess to make this claim?

Also, assume we accept the theory of the flat earth for a moment. What is on the opposite side of the earth?
I do not know.
Do you assume that the earth encompasses the entire universe and there is no other side?
I assume it encompasses all of the Earth.
If that's the case, than the earth Would still be a sphere, albeit a reversed one. If the earth is a continuous flat plane, how do you explain the molten core of the earth?
Kindly provide any citation indicating the core of the Earth is molten.
Does there only exist fire and lava at infinitum for half of the universe?
No.
These all seem to be questions unanswered in any of your linked materials or publications. I'd love to see someone explain any of these situations using actual scientific evidence.
I think we will wait for some scientific evidence backing the questions you posed.

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Re: Traveling Directly South?
« Reply #9 on: February 08, 2017, 11:01:30 AM »
The DE model answers this simply. Space is not as simple as RET supposes; it can stretch and thin, and link locations in ways you would not think of as conventional. Much of the time it is as ordinary as you believe, but at the equator there is a thin connection through the inside of the Earth itself. You can walk endlessly in one direction and you'll only keep crossing the point you started at.
The full explanation is linked in my sig, this is just a brief overview.
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On the sister site if you want to talk.

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Re: Traveling Directly South?
« Reply #10 on: February 08, 2017, 12:01:59 PM »
Flat idiots cant respond to this!!! Unless they ignore reality!!!  ;D  :D ;D

Can you take an IQ exam with a flat earth believer? Be sure you are one of the most idiot one in this place.

We don't interest with all kind of topics. Everybody has a different interests. And we are usually busy persons. This is why nobody respond it. We did not but we can.

Sure. You are SOOOOOOOO busy that you can only find the time to troll the forums searching for these people that repeatedly tore your pathetic arguments to shreds and insult them and other round earthers.

Why don't you quit with the childish bullshit?

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Re: Traveling Directly South?
« Reply #11 on: February 08, 2017, 12:02:43 PM »
Also, direct south travel only gives more evidence to the earth being a spheroid. Imagine two travelers, one in Asia and one North America, at equal degrees latitude. Now imagine they both travel directly south at equal speeds, i.e. directly away from the north pole or center of the flat round earth. If the world is indeed flat, they would be  traveling farther and farther apart until they effectively reach opposite ends of the earth. Instead, gps and a multitude of other tracking technological advancements tell us that they are not in fact moving farther apart. As they move farther south, they actually get closer together in every way. How is any of this explained by the flat earth theory?[

What direct experience do you possess to make this claim?

Also, assume we accept the theory of the flat earth for a moment. What is on the opposite side of the earth?
I do not know.
Do you assume that the earth encompasses the entire universe and there is no other side?
I assume it encompasses all of the Earth.
If that's the case, than the earth Would still be a sphere, albeit a reversed one. If the earth is a continuous flat plane, how do you explain the molten core of the earth?
Kindly provide any citation indicating the core of the Earth is molten.
Does there only exist fire and lava at infinitum for half of the universe?
No.
These all seem to be questions unanswered in any of your linked materials or publications. I'd love to see someone explain any of these situations using actual scientific evidence.
I think we will wait for some scientific evidence backing the questions you posed.
There is plenty of scientific evidence for Earth being round. You just reject it because you don't like it.
So there is no need to wait.

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Re: Traveling Directly South?
« Reply #12 on: February 08, 2017, 12:03:47 PM »
The DE model answers this simply. Space is not as simple as RET supposes; it can stretch and thin, and link locations in ways you would not think of as conventional. Much of the time it is as ordinary as you believe, but at the equator there is a thin connection through the inside of the Earth itself. You can walk endlessly in one direction and you'll only keep crossing the point you started at.
The full explanation is linked in my sig, this is just a brief overview.

Sure, it provides a simple explanation to the overall idea of this problem, but it still doesn't match the distances.
It is a good approximation at the poles, but gets more and more useless the further away you go.

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Re: Traveling Directly South?
« Reply #13 on: February 08, 2017, 02:30:53 PM »
The DE model answers this simply. Space is not as simple as RET supposes; it can stretch and thin, and link locations in ways you would not think of as conventional. Much of the time it is as ordinary as you believe, but at the equator there is a thin connection through the inside of the Earth itself. You can walk endlessly in one direction and you'll only keep crossing the point you started at.
The full explanation is linked in my sig, this is just a brief overview.

I do believe that you mean to say that JRoweSkeptic claims, without evidence, that:
"The DE model answers this simply. Space is not as simple as RET supposes; it can stretch and thin, and link locations in ways you would not think of as conventional."
And you mean "Globe Earth Theory", not RET because you DUT and ordinary FET has a "round earth".

Now, one help in finding the shape of an object is to measure its dimensions and since around 200 BC, the earth's dimensions have measured in various ways.

These dimensions can be found from:
At the equator each degree of longitude is very close to 111 km (accurate value "One degree of longitude = 111.32 km")
So the circumference at the equator is 360 x 111.32 km or 40,075 km.

The distance from either pole to the equator is almost exactly 10,000 km - the definition of the metre.

I believe that you would have a fight with all long distance navigators if you disagreed with these figures.

Now if the distance from either pole to the equator on JRoweSkeptic's "dual earth" is 10,000 km,
so the distance around the equator must be 2 x π x 10,000 or 62,832 km.

So the distance around the equator on JRoweSkeptic's "dual earth" is about 1.568 times to large to match the real earth.

Any proposed model for the earth must match what we observe, so in my opinion that completely kills your model.

Re: Traveling Directly South?
« Reply #14 on: February 10, 2017, 10:29:35 AM »
Also, direct south travel only gives more evidence to the earth being a spheroid. Imagine two travelers, one in Asia and one North America, at equal degrees latitude. Now imagine they both travel directly south at equal speeds, i.e. directly away from the north pole or center of the flat round earth. If the world is indeed flat, they would be  traveling farther and farther apart until they effectively reach opposite ends of the earth. Instead, gps and a multitude of other tracking technological advancements tell us that they are not in fact moving farther apart. As they move farther south, they actually get closer together in every way. How is any of this explained by the flat earth theory?[

What direct experience do you possess to make this claim?

Also, assume we accept the theory of the flat earth for a moment. What is on the opposite side of the earth?
I do not know.
Do you assume that the earth encompasses the entire universe and there is no other side?
I assume it encompasses all of the Earth.
If that's the case, than the earth Would still be a sphere, albeit a reversed one. If the earth is a continuous flat plane, how do you explain the molten core of the earth?
Kindly provide any citation indicating the core of the Earth is molten.
Does there only exist fire and lava at infinitum for half of the universe?
No.
These all seem to be questions unanswered in any of your linked materials or publications. I'd love to see someone explain any of these situations using actual scientific evidence.
I think we will wait for some scientific evidence backing the questions you posed.
There is plenty of scientific evidence for Earth being round. You just reject it because you don't like it.
So there is no need to wait.

The statement asked for scientific evidence backing the questions of the OP.

Are you dense?

Please just GFY or whatever other self-gratification activity you engage in when otherwise not posting here.

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Re: Traveling Directly South?
« Reply #15 on: February 10, 2017, 01:02:50 PM »
Also, direct south travel only gives more evidence to the earth being a spheroid. Imagine two travelers, one in Asia and one North America, at equal degrees latitude. Now imagine they both travel directly south at equal speeds, i.e. directly away from the north pole or center of the flat round earth. If the world is indeed flat, they would be  traveling farther and farther apart until they effectively reach opposite ends of the earth. Instead, gps and a multitude of other tracking technological advancements tell us that they are not in fact moving farther apart. As they move farther south, they actually get closer together in every way. How is any of this explained by the flat earth theory?[

What direct experience do you possess to make this claim?

Also, assume we accept the theory of the flat earth for a moment. What is on the opposite side of the earth?
I do not know.
Do you assume that the earth encompasses the entire universe and there is no other side?
I assume it encompasses all of the Earth.
If that's the case, than the earth Would still be a sphere, albeit a reversed one. If the earth is a continuous flat plane, how do you explain the molten core of the earth?
Kindly provide any citation indicating the core of the Earth is molten.
Does there only exist fire and lava at infinitum for half of the universe?
No.
These all seem to be questions unanswered in any of your linked materials or publications. I'd love to see someone explain any of these situations using actual scientific evidence.
I think we will wait for some scientific evidence backing the questions you posed.
There is plenty of scientific evidence for Earth being round. You just reject it because you don't like it.
So there is no need to wait.

The statement asked for scientific evidence backing the questions of the OP.

Are you dense?

Please just GFY or whatever other self-gratification activity you engage in when otherwise not posting here.
No. I'm not dense.
The first question of the OP indicates Earth is round. There is plenty of evidence supporting it, which indicates Earth is round.

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Re: Traveling Directly South?
« Reply #16 on: February 10, 2017, 01:13:54 PM »
Flat idiots cant respond to this!!! Unless they ignore reality!!!  ;D  :D ;D

Can you take an IQ exam with a flat earth believer? Be sure you are one of the most idiot one in this place.

We don't interest with all kind of topics. Everybody has a different interests. And we are usually busy persons. This is why nobody respond it. We did not but we can.

Sure. You are SOOOOOOOO busy that you can only find the time to troll the forums searching for these people that repeatedly tore your pathetic arguments to shreds and insult them and other round earthers.

Why don't you quit with the childish bullshit?

Why don't you quit with the childish bullshit? If you need a break from the forum, I can help you out.
I'm sorry. Am I to understand that when you have a boner you like to imagine punching the shit out of Tom Bishop? That's disgusting.

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Re: Traveling Directly South?
« Reply #17 on: February 10, 2017, 10:07:27 PM »
Flat idiots cant respond to this!!! Unless they ignore reality!!!  ;D  :D ;D

Can you take an IQ exam with a flat earth believer? Be sure you are one of the most idiot one in this place.

We don't interest with all kind of topics. Everybody has a different interests. And we are usually busy persons. This is why nobody respond it. We did not but we can.

Sure. You are SOOOOOOOO busy that you can only find the time to troll the forums searching for these people that repeatedly tore your pathetic arguments to shreds and insult them and other round earthers.

Why don't you quit with the childish bullshit?

Why don't you quit with the childish bullshit? If you need a break from the forum, I can help you out.
You seem to have quoted the wrong person.
Perhaps you should address that to Intikam?

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Re: Traveling Directly South?
« Reply #18 on: February 11, 2017, 08:01:03 AM »
Flat idiots cant respond to this!!! Unless they ignore reality!!!  ;D  :D ;D

Can you take an IQ exam with a flat earth believer? Be sure you are one of the most idiot one in this place.

We don't interest with all kind of topics. Everybody has a different interests. And we are usually busy persons. This is why nobody respond it. We did not but we can.

Sure. You are SOOOOOOOO busy that you can only find the time to troll the forums searching for these people that repeatedly tore your pathetic arguments to shreds and insult them and other round earthers.

Why don't you quit with the childish bullshit?

Why don't you quit with the childish bullshit? If you need a break from the forum, I can help you out.
You seem to have quoted the wrong person.
Perhaps you should address that to Intikam?

Nope, I was talking to you. For some reason you overlook your own childish behavior (and the childish behavior of other RE) to focus on Intikam. If you actually cared about "childish bullshit" you'd have called Forum Phoenix out, but you didn't. Why is that? Is it because he is an RE troll, and you approve? This is the FES forum, we appreciate the RE perspective, but we don't have to put up with your insults.

I assure you Forum Phoenix hasn't ever tore an argument to shreds. He only posts insults and calls for the forum to be shut down. Just have a look at his posts, and then explain to me why you felt the need to defend him. If you cared about honest debate you'd be just as annoyed with RE trolls as you are with those you perceive to be FE trolls.
I'm sorry. Am I to understand that when you have a boner you like to imagine punching the shit out of Tom Bishop? That's disgusting.

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Re: Traveling Directly South?
« Reply #19 on: February 11, 2017, 12:55:14 PM »
Flat idiots cant respond to this!!! Unless they ignore reality!!!  ;D  :D ;D

Can you take an IQ exam with a flat earth believer? Be sure you are one of the most idiot one in this place.

We don't interest with all kind of topics. Everybody has a different interests. And we are usually busy persons. This is why nobody respond it. We did not but we can.

Sure. You are SOOOOOOOO busy that you can only find the time to troll the forums searching for these people that repeatedly tore your pathetic arguments to shreds and insult them and other round earthers.

Why don't you quit with the childish bullshit?

Why don't you quit with the childish bullshit? If you need a break from the forum, I can help you out.
You seem to have quoted the wrong person.
Perhaps you should address that to Intikam?

Nope, I was talking to you. For some reason you overlook your own childish behavior (and the childish behavior of other RE) to focus on Intikam. If you actually cared about "childish bullshit" you'd have called Forum Phoenix out, but you didn't. Why is that? Is it because he is an RE troll, and you approve? This is the FES forum, we appreciate the RE perspective, but we don't have to put up with your insults.

I assure you Forum Phoenix hasn't ever tore an argument to shreds. He only posts insults and calls for the forum to be shut down. Just have a look at his posts, and then explain to me why you felt the need to defend him. If you cared about honest debate you'd be just as annoyed with RE trolls as you are with those you perceive to be FE trolls.
It is more because I have no idea who Forum Phoenix is and I don't remember seeing him post much, while I have seen Itikam post repeatedly, and all he seems to do regarding REer comments is insult or say he will be ignoring them.
If I notice a REer repeatedly posting crap I will object, but I don't typically remember them as much.

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Re: Traveling Directly South?
« Reply #20 on: February 11, 2017, 06:07:59 PM »
Flat idiots cant respond to this!!! Unless they ignore reality!!!  ;D  :D ;D

Can you take an IQ exam with a flat earth believer? Be sure you are one of the most idiot one in this place.

We don't interest with all kind of topics. Everybody has a different interests. And we are usually busy persons. This is why nobody respond it. We did not but we can.

Sure. You are SOOOOOOOO busy that you can only find the time to troll the forums searching for these people that repeatedly tore your pathetic arguments to shreds and insult them and other round earthers.

Why don't you quit with the childish bullshit?

Why don't you quit with the childish bullshit? If you need a break from the forum, I can help you out.
You seem to have quoted the wrong person.
Perhaps you should address that to Intikam?

Nope, I was talking to you. For some reason you overlook your own childish behavior (and the childish behavior of other RE) to focus on Intikam. If you actually cared about "childish bullshit" you'd have called Forum Phoenix out, but you didn't. Why is that? Is it because he is an RE troll, and you approve? This is the FES forum, we appreciate the RE perspective, but we don't have to put up with your insults.

I assure you Forum Phoenix hasn't ever tore an argument to shreds. He only posts insults and calls for the forum to be shut down. Just have a look at his posts, and then explain to me why you felt the need to defend him. If you cared about honest debate you'd be just as annoyed with RE trolls as you are with those you perceive to be FE trolls.

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