Space(ISS)

Quote from: Tom Bishop on April 03, 2007, 10:44:03 AM

Quote from: DakaSha on April 03, 2007, 10:42:05 AM

yeah but mabye a flat earth is impossible. which everybody seems to believe

The Flat Earth Society seems to think its possible.

And thats why you have been listed on wikipedia as an example of congritive disorder(true believer sindrome).But nevermind that now.

"And thats why the defendant is a homosexualistic raving lunatic.. withdrawn your honor!"
Can you get over the wiki links. I can go in and edit wiki and add your name to the list. How does that make it in any way a valid source?

The definition of ISS is still not good enough.

So the few active proponents here aren't quick enough to explain a multi-trillion dollar government's conspiracy quick enough? You realize the funding they have can spend you into the prehistoric ages. And actually the definition is good enough. Why couldn't the ISS be a helium baloon with solar panels? I go further.

The ISS is actually 2 objects.
Object 1: The ISS observeable in the sky. This is likely a helium balloon used for high altitude experiments. It has solar panels to feed its array of power needs. Additionally it has a giant lens attached to the undercarriage. This lens gives the optical illusion that the balloon is at a higher altitude that it actually is.

Object 2: The ISS film studio for press releases. This is a Boeing 747 that flies out of Texas. It is used to film zero gravity footage for the press.

He have held for quite some time that the government is involved in a very large conspiracy to keep certain aspects of a flat earth hidden from us. I do not see a problem with a government that spends over 3 billion dollars annually on software projects with no stated goal, that would also spend millions on a strategy that has a very important goal.

There are other satelites visible with the telescope(sometimes even with a naked eye you can see them).Are they all powered ridged structure(s) filled with helium too?
http://www.heavenscape.com/iss.gif

And why is ISS sometimes visible and sometimes not?

Yes it is likely they are all helium balloons. If the government is successful with one, why would they not continue with many more? It's more than possible, its very likely.

As to why it is visible sometimes and others not, where are you getting this? First you say it must be a satelite because its visible, then you say you sometimes cant see it. Let me guess, it's visible when you have 4 hours to spend in a photoshop session, and not visible when we ask you to demonstrate that you can see it?

So I ask you, is the ISS visible or is it not?

And yet it's been up there for how long?  How long can a helium-filled balloon stay in the air before it falls back to the ground?

It's not the ISS that's filled with hot air...

And yet it's been up there for how long?  How long can a helium-filled balloon stay in the air before it falls back to the ground?

It's not the ISS that's filled with hot air...

Yeah, I said a helium balloon from your local party store. balloons only fall after helium has leaked through their semi-permeable surface. If the balloon does not leak air, it will not fall back to earth.

The ISS has a set orbit.  That’s why that guy in France took a picture of it in front of the sun.  I was predicted it would be there.  And you know what, it was.  No light ass helium balloon will move as fast as the ISS.  The ISS would also have an atomic clock on it to compare to a clock on the ground to show time dilation.   

A lens that makes it look farther away than it actually is?

 Shocked

W... T... F... That is the stupidest this I have ever heard in my life. And no "balloon" has a surfae that is totally impermeable to the helium trying to get out.

The ISS would also have an atomic clock on it to compare to a clock on the ground to show time dilation.   

And?

Quote from: sokarul on April 03, 2007, 05:22:47 PM

The ISS would also have an atomic clock on it to compare to a clock on the ground to show time dilation.   

And?

And its moving really freaking fast which it couldn't do in a flat earth unless there were magical forces.

A lens that makes it look farther away than it actually is?

 

A lens isn't necessary. All methods to calulate distance from an object in space are based of triangulation with two distant points on the earth. Assuming a Round Earth the ISS would seem farther away from sea level. On a Flat Earth the ISS would seem closer to sea-level.

It would be very hard to tell how far away the ISS actually it.

No light ass helium balloon will move as fast as the ISS.

How do you know how fast the ISS is moving? Have you clocked it yourself?

Quote from: TheEngineer on April 03, 2007, 06:09:54 PM

Quote from: sokarul on April 03, 2007, 05:22:47 PM

The ISS would also have an atomic clock on it to compare to a clock on the ground to show time dilation.   

And?

And its moving really freaking fast which it couldn't do in a flat earth unless there were magical forces.

Since when is thrust magical?

Quote from: sokarul on April 03, 2007, 06:17:20 PM

Quote from: TheEngineer on April 03, 2007, 06:09:54 PM

Quote from: sokarul on April 03, 2007, 05:22:47 PM

The ISS would also have an atomic clock on it to compare to a clock on the ground to show time dilation.   

And?

And its moving really freaking fast which it couldn't do in a flat earth unless there were magical forces.

Since when is thrust magical?

Lol the solar panels turn energy into thrust?  The correct answer is gravitation cause angular acceleration, the word you like. 

Tom the space station is traveling at around 27,743.8 km/h (17,239.2 mi/h).  According to narcberry  I don't have to measure it.   

Lol the solar panels turn energy into thrust?   

Uh, yea, that's the way they normally work.

Quote from: sokarul on April 03, 2007, 06:30:16 PM

Lol the solar panels turn energy into thrust?   

Uh, yea, that's the way they normally work.

And how do they do that? 

Quote from: TheEngineer on April 03, 2007, 07:09:08 PM

Quote from: sokarul on April 03, 2007, 06:30:16 PM

Lol the solar panels turn energy into thrust?   

Uh, yea, that's the way they normally work.

And how do they do that? 

Solar panels collect energy. If you take some wires, and use a little brain power; you can power something like a fan. This fan will blow air. By changing the momentum of the air (air has mass), you can cause a force in the opposite direction. This crazy science has been used for things such as other aircraft, boats, or even fans.

We should have some sort of elementary education system for round-earthers. You know, something like public school except we focus more on results and less on teachers wages.

Quote from: TheEngineer on April 03, 2007, 07:09:08 PM

Quote from: sokarul on April 03, 2007, 06:30:16 PM

Lol the solar panels turn energy into thrust?   

Uh, yea, that's the way they normally work.

And how do they do that? 

Do you know how electricity works?  It can be used to perform work.

Quote from: sokarul on April 03, 2007, 07:24:58 PM

Quote from: TheEngineer on April 03, 2007, 07:09:08 PM

Quote from: sokarul on April 03, 2007, 06:30:16 PM

Lol the solar panels turn energy into thrust?   

Uh, yea, that's the way they normally work.

And how do they do that? 

Do you know how electricity works?  It can be used to perform work.

Answer the question.  Does it turn a propeller?  Even though there is no air?   

As to why it is visible sometimes and others not, where are you getting this? First you say it must be a satelite because its visible, then you say you sometimes cant see it. Let me guess, it's visible when you have 4 hours to spend in a photoshop session, and not visible when we ask you to demonstrate that you can see it?

So I ask you, is the ISS visible or is it not?

What I ment is it is not visible in all countries at the same time.

This is a quote:''To observe the ISS, you must first determine whether it may indeed be viewed from your latitude. This depends on its orbital inclination and altitude as well as size, ability to reflect sunlight, etc. In general, the lower the orbital altitude, the more visible an object will be to the naked eye.

The ISS may be viewed from all locations falling within its 51.6o N to 51.6o S orbital track. However, it is not only the inclination that determines the latitudes at which the ISS may be viewed. The visibility of an orbiting object depends on both inclination and orbiting altitude (as well as size and ability to reflect sunlight, etc.).

The ISS orbits at approximately 400 km above the surface of the Earth. For objects in such low Earth orbit, there is still about a 15o window of corresponding latitude above the orbital inclination in which the orbiting object may be seen above the horizon. So, even observers to about 65o N or 65o S will be able to view the ISS.''

Also,related to the conspiracy issue:When you share a secret with someone you say it to 1-2 people max(probably just your best friend).If you tell it to 10 friends there is a possibility that someone will tell it to someone else and so on...
Now, you have a situation where thousands of people know the truth, but are forced to keep their mouth shut(sailors, pilots, people who ''built the helium satelites'', people who ''know that rocket launchings are fake'' scientists who made that tehnology possible, people in the goverment, people who make ''fake pictures'' of round earth.I mean, a conspiracy can't be possible.The cost of hiding it would exceed the money they would possibly gain.And atleast someone who saw the ice wall would speak up, not everyone can be bribed.

Take the UFO conspiracy as example.They atleast have thousands of witnesses and even people in the military who claim they witnessed UFO's and they were under orders not to speak about it.

How come noone ''revealed'' the truth about the ice wall?

Can you get over the wiki links. I can go in and edit wiki and add your name to the list. How does that make it in any way a valid source?

I can go and make my own webpage about anything, write my own book, run my own tv show. How does that make any source of information valid?
That makes all the religion books not valid too, cause anyone could of write them.Meaning, the only valid source of information is:
1) science
2) if you stick your nose in it

And I don't think so.I am a Christian and I have trust in people.


And about satelites, there are numerous (scientific) books and articels where all the parts and tehnology are explained in details,  meaning that the tehnology does exist.

Quote from: narcberry on April 03, 2007, 02:24:51 PM

Can you get over the wiki links. I can go in and edit wiki and add your name to the list. How does that make it in any way a valid source?

I can go and make my own webpage about anything, write my own book, run my own tv show. How does that make any source of information valid?
That makes all the religion books not valid too, cause anyone could of write them.Meaning, the only valid source of information is:
1) science
2) if you stick your nose in it

And I don't think so.I am a Christian and I have trust in people.


And about satelites, there are numerous (scientific) books and articels where all the parts and tehnology are explained in details,  meaning that the tehnology does exist.

Making your own community to believe in something, of course, will not make your ideas valid. However, it WILL bring the burden of proof to your guests.

How come noone ''revealed'' the truth about the ice wall?

James Clark Ross did a while ago.

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How come noone ''revealed'' the truth about the ice wall?

James Clark Ross did a while ago.

He was involved arctic/anarctic expeditions. That by itself doesn't really prove anything.

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How come noone ''revealed'' the truth about the ice wall?

James Clark Ross did a while ago.

One man.Awesome.

In 500 years 1 man said something about it. And what exactly did he say?

Take the UFO conspiracy as example.They atleast have thousands of witnesses and even people in the military who claim they witnessed UFO's and they were under orders not to speak about it.

There's a difference between a housewife seeing something bright fly across the sky from her kitchen window and a housewife donning snow gear and trekking across the Ice Wall.

One man.Awesome.

Actually, we have several hundred reports of the Ice Wall. Do a Google Image Search for 'Antarctica' or "Ross Ice Shelf' if you would like to see pictures of the Ice Wall.

In 500 years 1 man said something about it. And what exactly did he say?

He said it looked like a perpetual wall of ice stretching in every direction.

What he saw was Antarctica.So what?Antarctica exists.And if there was a wall of ice there, big deal.Antarctica is made from ice.

How about someone who saw a ice wall west of USA, or east of Japan?I would really like to see that happen.

What he saw was Antarctica.So what?Antarctica exists.And if there was a wall of ice there, big deal.Antarctica is made from ice.

What you know as Antarctica is what we know as the Ice Wall. It does not exist as a continent.

How about someone who saw a ice wall west of USA, or east of Japan?I would really like to see that happen.

It wouldn't happen, because the directions of East and West are curved. One can only visit the Ice Wall by traveling South.

You're telling me you can't get east all the way to the ice wall?

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Take the UFO conspiracy as example.They atleast have thousands of witnesses and even people in the military who claim they witnessed UFO's and they were under orders not to speak about it.

There's a difference between a housewife seeing something bright fly across the sky from her kitchen window and a housewife donning snow gear and trekking across the Ice Wall.

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One man.Awesome.

Actually, we have several hundred reports of the Ice Wall. Do a Google Image Search for 'Antarctica' or "Ross Ice Shelf' if you would like to see pictures of the Ice Wall.

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In 500 years 1 man said something about it. And what exactly did he say?

He said it looked like a perpetual wall of ice stretching in every direction.

Way to go Tom, once again using pictures that don't even support your arguement to support your arguement. Also, aren't all images null and void? Hmm? What was that? Did Tom just get Tommed? Oh, and this perpetual wall of ice? Isn't the Ice Wall only so thick? It doesn't stretch in all directions infinitely, as your model would have it if you followed his accounts.

You're telling me you can't get east all the way to the ice wall?

Nope.

It doesn't stretch in all directions infinitely, as your model would have it if you followed his accounts.

The icy tundra actually does stretch infinitely in the book Earth Not a Globe.

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What he saw was Antarctica.So what?Antarctica exists.And if there was a wall of ice there, big deal.Antarctica is made from ice.

What you know as Antarctica is what we know as the Ice Wall. It does not exist as a continent.

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How about someone who saw a ice wall west of USA, or east of Japan?I would really like to see that happen.

It wouldn't happen, because the directions of East and West are curved. One can only visit the Ice Wall by traveling South.

So, what does not existing as a continent have to do with the ice wall being there and not just mistaken for an ice shelf?

Quote from: leclerc on April 04, 2007, 12:53:37 PM

You're telling me you can't get east all the way to the ice wall?

Nope.

The picture gets me every time.  Thats almost how magnets work, almost.

We went a bit offtopic.I was talking about the ISS and still didn't have all replies.Why is ISS visible only by night and in some countries? If it is so close it should be visible all day too.