Why Does Flat Earth = 1g Acceleration?

Flat Earth always seems to tie in with the belief that the Earth (no, the universe!) is constantly accelerating upwards, right?  Why can't gravity co-exist with Flat Earth?

It can.  The accelerating-Earth hypothesis is just one model of FE gravity.

It could, but it would raise the question as to why the Earth hasn't collapsed into a globe and why everything is not pulled into the center of the Earth.

~D-Draw

Star formation occurs in dense regions of dust and gas, known as giant molecular clouds. When destabilized, cloud fragments can collapse under the influence of gravity, to form a protostar. A sufficiently dense, and hot, core region will trigger nuclear fusion, thus creating a main-sequence star. Gravity under a reasonable flat earth can be believed to co-exist.

Also, the gravitational field is numerically equal to the acceleration of objects under its influence, and its value at the Earth's surface, denoted g, is approximately 9.8 m/s². In a plane level earth it resides in a permutation! Therefore a flat earth is likely to exist.

Gravity under a reasonable flat earth can be believed to co-exist.

No it can't co-exist because of this:''Every portion of the earth tends toward the center until by compression and convergence they form a sphere''

Diego Draw also pointed that out earlier

Star formation occurs in dense regions of dust and gas, known as giant molecular clouds. When destabilized, cloud fragments can collapse under the influence of gravity, to form a protostar. A sufficiently dense, and hot, core region will trigger nuclear fusion, thus creating a main-sequence star. Gravity under a reasonable flat earth can be believed to co-exist.

The amount of material required to create nuclear fusion would be quite massive, actually about the same amount as RE astronomers calculate the mass of our sun and stars to be. If this is true, then the stars on not a mere 4000 or so miles away but are massive suns thousands and millions of light years away, destroying much of the FE theory.

No one ever said stars burn by nuclear fusion in the FE model.

And their energy comes from where...

And their energy comes from where...

The sun just happens to be very dense, full of energy. If it wasn't as dense as it is the sun would have crashed into the earth long ago and life would never have evolved. The Universal Accelerator pushes objects with more mass faster, and objects with less mass slower. The Earth and Sun have a balancing act going on.

We're actually being pushed upwards by the Universal Accelerator ourselves, but since our mass is inconsequential when compared to the Earth, the Earth outruns us.

Quote from: EIRD on April 02, 2007, 02:33:09 PM

And their energy comes from where...

The sun just happens to be very dense. If it wasn't as dense as it was it would have crashed into the earth long ago and life would never have evolved. The Universal Accelerator pushes objects with more mass faster, and objects with less mass slower. The Earth and Sun have a balancing act going on.

We're actually being pushed upwards by the Universal Accelerator ourselves, but since our mass is inconsequential when compared to the Earth, the Earth outruns us.

I bet.  And what experiment proves this?

I bet.  And what experiment proves this?

Using basic logic we can come to this conclusion. Due to the nature of the Universal Accelerator there is no other configuration or balance the Earth and Sun could be in.

Using modern Doppler Imageing we can estimate the number of atoms in the sun to something in the neighborhood of 9.87 x 10⁴⁹. This tells us that the sun is rather dense for its size. 

It could, but it would raise the question as to why the Earth hasn't collapsed into a globe

Electrostatic repulsion -- same reason you haven't collapsed into a globe.

and why everything is not pulled into the center of the Earth.

If the Earth is much larger than the area we occupy, or much deeper than the diameter of the region we occupy, then the direction to the center would be indistinguishable from straight down.

Quote from: EIRD on April 02, 2007, 02:33:09 PM

And their energy comes from where...

The sun just happens to be very dense, full of energy. If it wasn't as dense as it is the sun would have crashed into the earth long ago and life would never have evolved. The Universal Accelerator pushes objects with more mass faster, and objects with less mass slower. The Earth and Sun have a balancing act going on.

We're actually being pushed upwards by the Universal Accelerator ourselves, but since our mass is inconsequential when compared to the Earth, the Earth outruns us.

The sun/moon/earth don't have all the same masses, so why are they all accelerating at the same amount?

Yup, bump.

Haha sounds like Tom dug deep in his bag of BS to come up with a reason the 'universal accelerator' doesn't accelerate us too ^_^

Universal Accelerator? You guys pretty much believe whatever the fuck you want to believe right? Pathetic...I posted this somewhere else. Tie a balloon to the ground next to a mountain. You will notice that the balloon leans towards the mountain. Lets say its in a vacuum so no smartass says its wind. Its because of gravity. The mountain creates a bend in spacetime that makes the balloon lean toward it. How do you explain that shit with a "Universal Accelerator"? Is the mountain accelerating towards me?

Also, you said that UA is relative to mass. But the FE is going up at 9.8 m/s^2, and we are going slower. But really, does our speed matter? We are on top of a mass going 9.8 m/s^2, just like riding in a car.

RE fact explains thing so effortlessly, with such fluidity and consistency, that the fact that that there are questioners of it is very sad.

The sun/moon/earth don't have all the same masses, so why are they all accelerating at the same amount?

How exactly do you know how much mass the sun, moon, and earth have?

Size does not equal mass.

Tie a balloon to the ground next to a mountain. You will notice that the balloon leans towards the mountain. Lets say its in a vacuum so no smartass says its wind. Its because of gravity.

Gravitation between objects can exist without Gravity. Due to the General Relativity and the Equivalence Principle the acceleration of mass warps space-time in such a way that it creates a uniform gravitational field around the object accelerating.

For more information see http://xxx.lanl.gov/ftp/physics/papers/0204/0204044.pdf

"However one of the main tenants of general relativity is the Principle of Equivalence: A uniform gravitational field is equivalent to a uniformly accelerating frame of reference. This implies that one can create a uniform gravitational field simply by changing one’s frame of reference from an inertial frame of reference to an accelerating frame, which is a rather difficult idea to accept."

Round Earth gravity relies on a hypothetical never-discovered particle called the Graviton. Flat Earth gravitation relies on a purely mechanical bending of space-time stemming from the acceleration of mass.

Gravitation between objects can exist without Gravity. Due to the General Relativity and the Equivalence Principle the acceleration of mass warps space-time in such a way that it creates a uniform gravitational field around the object accelerating.

For more information see http://xxx.lanl.gov/ftp/physics/papers/0204/0204044.pdf

"However one of the main tenants of general relativity is the Principle of Equivalence: A uniform gravitational field is equivalent to a uniformly accelerating frame of reference. This implies that one can create a uniform gravitational field simply by changing one’s frame of reference from an inertial frame of reference to an accelerating frame, which is a rather difficult idea to accept."

Your quote does not support your claim.

Your quote does not support your claim.

Read the document in the link I provided if you think you really think you're smarter than Einstein.

Also see this recent thread on the subject: http://theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=11670.0

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The sun/moon/earth don't have all the same masses, so why are they all accelerating at the same amount?

How exactly do you know how much mass the sun, moon, and earth have?

Size does not equal mass.

OH RLY?  I didn't say anything of the sort.  But are you telling me that the earth/sun/moon all have the same mass now?  That's just rediculous, being they're all made of different materials.  I don't see the earth producing large amounts of energy like the sun...  I mean, the sun/moon might have gravity in FE theory, but the earth doesn't (in the non-infinite plane theory), so why would they have the same mass?  I think you're just comming up with BS pitiful arguments to support your theory Tom...

Tie a balloon to the ground next to a mountain. You will notice that the balloon leans towards the mountain.

Um... you really think I'll notice that?

Let's be generous and imagine the mountain as a hemisphere of diameter equal to the base diameter of the mountain.  Let's now figure out the gravitational force that a sphere of this diameter would have on a nearby balloon, and halve that force.

Say the mountain is a cone with a base diameter of 5000 m and made of granite with an average density of 2.75 g/cm^3.  I'm not a geologist, so feel free to offer different numbers.

The sphere would have a volume of V = 4/3 π r^3 ~ 26180000 m^3.  At an average density of 2.75 g/cm^3, or 2750 kg/m^3, this amounts to about 71,995,000,000 kg, or M = 35,997,500,000 kg for the hemisphere.

The balloon weighs, say, 100 g or m = 0.1 kg.

Let's place the balloon a meter away from the base of the mountain, so that r = 2501 m.

The force of gravity, then, between the balloon and the mountain is, according to Newton,

F = G M m / r^2 = (6.6742 x10^-11 N m^2 / kg^2) * (35,997,500,000 kg) * (0.1 kg) / (6255001 m^2)
= 3841.0 x10^-11 N  or approximately 3.9194 x10^-9 g.

In other words, the force is about four billionths of the force due to Earth's gravity... and this is a generous estimate.

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