Pedophilia Activism -- Does Sex Harm Children?

when you think about it, can non-violently molesting a child really harm a child?  either they enjoy it, they don't know what's happening, or they don't want to (in which case it's clearly nonconsensual and would be forced molestation)

but in the first two cases, please explain how the child is harmed...

of course, we see psychological problems later.  but is it from the act itself?  after being molested, there is a strong reaction from the people who find out, in addition, they are taught all their life in subtle ways and also in not so subtle ways, that sex is BAD.  if sex is an early experience for them, and this attitude is deeply ingrained in them, that's going to lead to problems

so in other words, Theearthisrounddumbasses, please explain how the simple act of sex with a child harms them?  how could such a thing harm them, even if they don't know what's going on?  it would not harm them if they werent raised to believe that sex is bad

Yes but in this day and age, people have been raised to think of it as disgusting, What if the person that is having sex with the child has an std? Wouldnt you feel horrible for being the death of the innocent child? Also, there is no such thing as a simple act of sex, sex is about love, and you shouldnt love a child in that way. Like ive said before im not gonna be able to change your minds, but at least i can state how i feal.

I was just wondering...who's would be having sex with the children?  Their parents?  Would that not be incest?

I was just wondering...who's would be having sex with the children?  Their parents?  Would that not be incest?

Exactly.

Yes but in this day and age, people have been raised to think of it as disgusting

yes, but i'm saying, that's precisely the problem

What if the person that is having sex with the child has an std? Wouldnt you feel horrible for being the death of the innocent child?

um, it'd be terrible for someone with an STD to have sex with anyone, including children.  if you want to ban sex with children because one of the partners may have an STD, though, in order to be consistent with your own logic, you'd have to ban ALL sex...

Also, there is no such thing as a simple act of sex, sex is about love, and you shouldnt love a child in that way

can a person control who they love?  and please explain what is so bad about loving a child?

I was just wondering...who's would be having sex with the children?  Their parents?  Would that not be incest?

1. their parents aren't the ONLY people they know, so of course their parents are not the only person they'd be able to have sex with

2. the tabu against incest is just that, a tabu, and not a universal one.  you're trying to use one moral idea (with no logical basis) to prove another moral idea.  it's sort of circular

 it's sort of circular

Kind of like the earth...just joking with ya here, ok?

There is nothing wrong with loving a child, im saying it is wrong to fuck a child, because ive been raised to see it as an abomination! You will never change my mind because thats just how i roll. If you want to have sex with a child how can i stop you. Im only saying that i think that it wrong, and if you want to burn in hell *if there is a hell, shit i dont know* then so be it, but if there is a hell im pretty sure you would go there for doing such an act.

^the issue here, is not whether YOU are going to fuck a child,

the issue is that, if you don't want to have sex with a child, and you think it would be wrong, that doesn't mean you have the right to ban a child and an adult, who may or may not be in love, from having consensual sex.  you have no clue what their relationship is like, it's private, so you have no right to exert such control on their relationship

in sum, the issue is legalization of the act of adult child sex, and hopefully you realize that if you were raised to believe it's terrible, you surely have some trouble looking at the issue objectively

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 it's sort of circular

Kind of like the earth...just joking with ya here, ok?

LOL i found this to be funny.

While we are at it, why not have sex with our animals too?

^ if the animal doesn't care, why not?  what harm could it do to him or the human?

edit:  you still cannot deny, however, that there is a difference fucking a member of our species or a member of another species.  opponents of gay marriage used your same argument (now we're allowing people to marry people of the same sex, what's next? animal marriages?)

I would hope not, but idk it might happen.

^ no, people aren't going to marry dogs

How could you marry an animal though?  I really don't know the specifics, but wouldn't the involved parties have to sign a paper?  What's fido going to do?  Sign an X on account of the fact that she can't read nor write?  Bark for an "I do"?  That's just silly.  It wouldn't suprise me if somebody tried.  It would be pretty cool to do as a joke.

I would like to interject here and point out that this:

2. the tabu against incest is just that, a tabu, and not a universal one. you're trying to use one moral idea (with no logical basis) to prove another moral idea. it's sort of circular

is balderdash.  There are clear, documented, problems with inbreeding (down  syndrome comes to mind).  Nature seems to have a problem with incest and inbreeding, so it's not without merit to say that incest is wrong.

I would like to interject here and point out that this ... is balderdash.  There are clear, documented, problems with inbreeding

I'm not sure that that bit about tabus was intended to refer specifically to incest, instead of to pedophilia in general.

I would like to interject here and point out that this:

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2. the tabu against incest is just that, a tabu, and not a universal one. you're trying to use one moral idea (with no logical basis) to prove another moral idea. it's sort of circular

is balderdash.  There are clear, documented, problems with inbreeding (down  syndrome comes to mind).  Nature seems to have a problem with incest and inbreeding, so it's not without merit to say that incest is wrong.

Amen. Also erasmus, you just cant stand being wrong, can you?

I'm not sure that that bit about tabus was intended to refer specifically to incest, instead of to pedophilia in general.

Well, he clearly wrote "the [taboo] against incest..." so, I natually assumed that's what he meant...

HAHAHA 6string you kick ass!

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I'm not sure that that bit about tabus was intended to refer specifically to incest, instead of to pedophilia in general.

Well, he clearly wrote "the [taboo] against incest..." so, I natually assumed that's what he meant...

*blink*

oh yeah.

Amen. Also erasmus, you just cant stand being wrong, can you?

It's just that I'm so unfamiliar with it.

Your just in denial.

I would like to interject here and point out that this:

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2. the tabu against incest is just that, a tabu, and not a universal one. you're trying to use one moral idea (with no logical basis) to prove another moral idea. it's sort of circular

is balderdash.  There are clear, documented, problems with inbreeding (down  syndrome comes to mind).  Nature seems to have a problem with incest and inbreeding, so it's not without merit to say that incest is wrong.

i was not talking about having babies with ones family, instead rather, sexual relations (during which, for the sake of the offspring, the partners should make sure to not make one pregnant)

thanks for the straw man

I assumed you were accepting the consequences of actions in the natural world as a guideline to your morality.  Of course, if you are merely trying to make the point that ther are no moral absolutes, it was unnecessary, as most here already understand this, and those that dont wouldn't have gotten that from your posts.

In any case, I'd hesitate to say I built a straw man, given that I simply followed the information you gave to its natural conclusion: if sex is not designed for procreation, then what is it for may I ask?

Pleasure baby, yea!

I assumed you were accepting the consequences of actions in the natural world as a guideline to your morality.  Of course, if you are merely trying to make the point that ther are no moral absolutes, it was unnecessary, as most here already understand this, and those that dont wouldn't have gotten that from your posts.

In any case, I'd hesitate to say I built a straw man, given that I simply followed the information you gave to its natural conclusion: if sex is not designed for procreation, then what is it for may I ask?

i realize you didn't do it intentionally, sorry

what is sex for?  we've been talking about sex for love making, or pleasure (whether for the original topic, child love, or one that just came up, incest).  whether the sex can result in successful procreation or not is irrelevent

so, my point was there is no sensical way to construct a moral absolute against incest

what is sex for? we've been talking about sex for love making, or pleasure (whether for the original topic, child love, or one that just came up, incest). whether the sex can result in successful procreation or not is irrelevent

Touche.  Considering it now, given that they're children and their sexual organs are probably inactive, it couldn't result in procreation in any case.

so, my point was there is no sensical way to construct a moral absolute against incest

Right, but see my point above; it is well understood that there is no sensical way to construct any moral absolute. So the question becomes what do you think we should accept as a moral frame of reference upon which we should base our judgements and taboos?

My babies are gonna have down sendrum

FIXED.

So the question becomes what do you think we should accept as a moral frame of reference upon which we should base our judgements and taboos?

good question:)  perhaps if we could increase empathy in society overall, and tie our moral compass to our feelings of empathy (ie simply it is good to help people, bad to harm people)... maybe we need to just give everyone a free 3,4-methylenedioxymethamphetamine tablet?

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My babies are gonna have down sendrum

FIXED.

i'm not attracted to my siblings or parents