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Why no round Earth?

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Mr. Ireland

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Re: Why no round Earth?
« Reply #60 on: March 27, 2007, 08:42:17 AM »
Quote from: TheEngineer on March 26, 2007, 07:24:57 PM
Quote from: Red_Wyrm on March 26, 2007, 08:56:01 AM
Ok. I drop a ball. It falls. What more proof of gravity do you want?
Umm...proof of gravity?

What you have proven is acceleration, not gravity, as gravity, the force, doesn't exist.

Gravity exists in the FAQ.  Are you saying it's wrong?
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Tobias

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Re: Why no round Earth?
« Reply #61 on: March 27, 2007, 11:03:34 AM »
experiments have been done showing that 2 bodies will atteract each other and the bigger one of the bodies the more it attracts the other. that is PROOF of gravity
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Re: Why no round Earth?
« Reply #62 on: March 27, 2007, 11:48:29 AM »
That's not necessarily proof of gravity, that's proof of an attractive force between two objects. General Relativity describes mathematically the theory of gravitation, but so far nobody has actually "proven" gravity.
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Re: Why no round Earth?
« Reply #63 on: March 27, 2007, 11:54:03 AM »
surely gravity is just an attractive force between us and the earth?
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Re: Why no round Earth?
« Reply #64 on: March 28, 2007, 11:32:17 AM »
Quote from: Franc T., Planar on March 25, 2007, 11:54:15 PM
Stop projecting your fucking inadequacies. Obviously your RE belief is shaky: otherwise what would you be doing here on our board? Liar, troll, get outta here.

We are on this board in the hopes of convincing the ignorant to follow logic and reasoning to arrive at their conclusions. Obviously this isn't happening since there is no proof of FE, and yet people believe in it.

Should you feel the urge to tell me I'm wrong go ahead. Just provide evidence, logic, or reasoning that doesn't support a RE model.
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Re: Why no round Earth?
« Reply #65 on: March 28, 2007, 11:42:45 AM »
I sincerely doubt that more than one or two people actually believe the theory outlined in these boards. For one, it differs greatly from the "official" stance of the Flat Earth Society. I think it's mostly a thought experiment to show that modern theoretical physics doesn't care whether the earth is round or flat.
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TheEngineer

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Re: Why no round Earth?
« Reply #66 on: March 28, 2007, 11:24:43 PM »
Quote from: RAmenBrother on March 26, 2007, 07:40:54 PM

Really? Gravity, the force, doesn't exist? Well, you should let every physicist in the world now, so that they can stop trying to unite general relativity into the standard model. Sheesh, with that claim, you could win a Nobel prize, man! AND save the scientists a lot of work.
Why would I tell them what they already know?   
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Re: Why no round Earth?
« Reply #67 on: March 29, 2007, 06:03:19 PM »
Quote from: TheEngineer on March 28, 2007, 11:24:43 PM
Quote from: RAmenBrother on March 26, 2007, 07:40:54 PM

Really? Gravity, the force, doesn't exist? Well, you should let every physicist in the world now, so that they can stop trying to unite general relativity into the standard model. Sheesh, with that claim, you could win a Nobel prize, man! AND save the scientists a lot of work.
Why would I tell them what they already know?   


Answering the sarcasm isn't what either of us want.  :-\
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Re: Why no round Earth?
« Reply #68 on: March 30, 2007, 06:46:49 PM »
If you would TheEngineer; state, in full, what is your theory of what is holding us to the Earth. This includes but is not limited to; why you believe it, solid scientific proof that it is true, and what caused you to believe it in the first place. In short; Elaborate.
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Re: Why no round Earth?
« Reply #69 on: March 30, 2007, 09:12:12 PM »
Gravitation holds us to the ground.  This gravitation is caused by acceleration.  I believe it because it makes sense, and simple experiments can prove its existence.  For example:  Hold a pen, then let it go.  Evidence of acceleration.
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Re: Why no round Earth?
« Reply #70 on: March 30, 2007, 10:01:24 PM »
Quote from: Tobias on March 27, 2007, 11:54:03 AM
surely gravity is just an attractive force between us and the earth?

I don't find it attractive at all. I can't see it; carry on a conversation with it, or fondle it. How am I supposed to be attracted to something I can't even size up first? :D
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Re: Why no round Earth?
« Reply #71 on: March 30, 2007, 10:34:08 PM »
Quote from: icthyosis on March 22, 2007, 06:30:15 AM
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Re: Why no round Earth?
« Reply #72 on: March 31, 2007, 02:17:47 PM »
Quote from: TheEngineer on March 30, 2007, 09:12:12 PM
Gravitation holds us to the ground.  This gravitation is caused by acceleration.  I believe it because it makes sense, and simple experiments can prove its existence.  For example:  Hold a pen, then let it go.  Evidence of acceleration.

The exact same can be said about the RE theory. The pen dropping can also be tied into the RE theory. What is in your theory that is different than RE thoery?
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Re: Why no round Earth?
« Reply #73 on: March 31, 2007, 04:39:42 PM »
The FE does not generate a gravitational field.
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Re: Why no round Earth?
« Reply #74 on: March 31, 2007, 04:55:19 PM »
Quote from: TheEngineer on March 31, 2007, 04:39:42 PM
The FE does not generate a gravitational field.

... not what I was getting at, how do you know that the RE thoery is not true?
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Re: Why no round Earth?
« Reply #75 on: March 31, 2007, 04:56:46 PM »
If you are talking about gravitation, we can't know the difference.
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Game_Guru777

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Re: Why no round Earth?
« Reply #76 on: March 31, 2007, 05:02:40 PM »
Quote from: TheEngineer on March 31, 2007, 04:56:46 PM
If you are talking about gravitation, we can't know the difference.

Actually, I believe we can. Take this example; An object is falling from a cliff, ignoring air resistance, an object falling freely near the earth's surface increases in speed by 9.807 m/s for each second of its descent. Thus, an object starting from rest will attain a speed of 9.807 m/s after one second, 19.614 m/s after two seconds, and so on. If Earth was accelerating the object would not speed up when falling, but rather maintain a constaint speed. A ten foot fall would feel the same as a one hundred foot fall.
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Re: Why no round Earth?
« Reply #77 on: March 31, 2007, 05:07:47 PM »
Except that the earth is the one accelerating.  So from the view of the object, it appears the same.
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Re: Why no round Earth?
« Reply #78 on: March 31, 2007, 05:11:45 PM »
Quote from: TheEngineer on March 31, 2007, 05:07:47 PM
Except that the earth is the one accelerating.  So from the view of the object, it appears the same.

That does not answer why the object speeds up as it falls (or from your view 'catches up with the earth') If the earth was accelerating the object would not speed up as it falls, but remain at a constaint speed.
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Re: Why no round Earth?
« Reply #79 on: March 31, 2007, 05:13:10 PM »
It appears to speed up to us because we are in contact with the earth, being accelerated as well.
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Re: Why no round Earth?
« Reply #80 on: March 31, 2007, 05:19:29 PM »
But the object would not speed up at all under your theory, the earth is moving up at a constaint speed, correct? With no gravity to bring it down, it would fall at the same speed no matter how high up the object was.
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Re: Why no round Earth?
« Reply #81 on: March 31, 2007, 05:21:29 PM »
No hes saying the earth accelerates upward at 9.8m/s/s.  This action requires infinite energy that comes from some unknown source. In another thread he was worried about the acceleration stopping.  I laughed at him.
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Re: Why no round Earth?
« Reply #82 on: March 31, 2007, 05:29:06 PM »
The Earth cannot accelerate at that speed, because that would mean that 'Gravity' would increase and become so great that it would eventually crush us.
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Re: Why no round Earth?
« Reply #83 on: March 31, 2007, 05:30:23 PM »
Accelerate at what speed?  The earth accelerates at a rate of 9.81m/s^2, constantly.
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Re: Why no round Earth?
« Reply #84 on: March 31, 2007, 05:38:18 PM »
9.81m/s^2, its impossible, because the g forces would become so great it would eventually crush us. It would mean that gravity is continualy increasing. Things would have been lighter years ago, and heavier today, and even heavier the next day.
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Re: Why no round Earth?
« Reply #85 on: March 31, 2007, 05:45:59 PM »
It doesn't add like that.  When you accelerate in you car you don't feel more g's at 100 mph then you do at 10 mph. 
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Re: Why no round Earth?
« Reply #86 on: March 31, 2007, 06:11:35 PM »
Quote from: Game_Guru777 on March 31, 2007, 05:38:18 PM
9.81m/s^2, its impossible, because the g forces would become so great it would eventually crush us. It would mean that gravity is continualy increasing. Things would have been lighter years ago, and heavier today, and even heavier the next day.
9.81m/s^2 is one g.  No matter how long you accelerate, you are still only accelerating at a rate of 9.81m/s^2, one g.
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Re: Why no round Earth?
« Reply #87 on: March 31, 2007, 06:32:28 PM »
Game_Guru, why do you even bother? These guys are either joking (and laughing at you for actually believing in them), or just plain retarded. Mr. Engineer over here is approaching 6000 posts and what has he accomplished besides wasting time on a ridiculous internet forum? Absolutely nothing. If he spent the time he spends on this site outside, his eyes would let him know that the earth is round. Go to the beach man! Look at the HUMONGOUS CURVE of the horizon... Spin 360 degrees and see how the horizon wraps around in a nice smooth curve. Watch as boats SINK as they move toward the horizon.

What would it actually take to convince you guys that the earth is round? A ride to outer space? Would you finally shut up if you had your very own spaceship and could see the roundness for yourself? I doubt it, you would probably argue that the whole universe is an optical illusion created by the government to fool us!!! In fact, every single thing that we see is just a giant projector projecting onto a giant white screen! Also, Tupac is still alive.

I love how this thread is 5 pages, and not ONE person has properly responded to the topic. Every time you question one of these guys, instead of giving a well thought out persuasive reply (which is what you are requesting in this thread), they give you two, maybe three sentences at most. How about giving us a few hundred words with SOLID conrete evidence to back up your theories. An no, pizza dough is not solid concrete evidence.

This whole forum is a huge joke, there's porn links, flaming and spam everywhere. If you guys wanted to be taken seriously, I'm sorry to say, but you failed.
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Re: Why no round Earth?
« Reply #88 on: April 01, 2007, 01:18:45 PM »
Quote from: jaguax on March 31, 2007, 06:32:28 PM
Game_Guru, why do you even bother? These guys are either joking (and laughing at you for actually believing in them), or just plain retarded. Mr. Engineer over here is approaching 6000 posts and what has he accomplished besides wasting time on a ridiculous internet forum? Absolutely nothing. If he spent the time he spends on this site outside, his eyes would let him know that the earth is round. Go to the beach man! Look at the HUMONGOUS CURVE of the horizon... Spin 360 degrees and see how the horizon wraps around in a nice smooth curve. Watch as boats SINK as they move toward the horizon.

What would it actually take to convince you guys that the earth is round? A ride to outer space? Would you finally shut up if you had your very own spaceship and could see the roundness for yourself? I doubt it, you would probably argue that the whole universe is an optical illusion created by the government to fool us!!! In fact, every single thing that we see is just a giant projector projecting onto a giant white screen! Also, Tupac is still alive.

I love how this thread is 5 pages, and not ONE person has properly responded to the topic. Every time you question one of these guys, instead of giving a well thought out persuasive reply (which is what you are requesting in this thread), they give you two, maybe three sentences at most. How about giving us a few hundred words with SOLID conrete evidence to back up your theories. An no, pizza dough is not solid concrete evidence.

This whole forum is a huge joke, there's porn links, flaming and spam everywhere. If you guys wanted to be taken seriously, I'm sorry to say, but you failed.

Is it not completely possible on a flat earth to see a curve on the horizon being you can only see 30 miles in every direction, making a circle, and from the horizontal allowing you to see a curve?
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Re: Why no round Earth?
« Reply #89 on: April 01, 2007, 02:40:32 PM »
Quote from: TheEngineer on March 31, 2007, 05:30:23 PM
Accelerate at what speed?  The earth accelerates at a rate of 9.81m/s^2, constantly.
The value of g is actually greater at the poles (~9.87) than at the equator (~9.805). Also, at high altitudes, its value is less. This would be impossible if the earth was accelerating upwards at any rate whatsoever.
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