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Eratosthenes
« on: March 15, 2007, 05:51:11 PM »
How does Eratosthenes' measurements hold up to FE theory.  Please, do not quote or mention Earth: Not A Globe since Geordi la Forge proved its results are observatory speculation and that Rowbotham excluded many variables (e.g. refraction).
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Re: Eratosthenes
« Reply #1 on: March 15, 2007, 05:53:36 PM »
I do the powers that be deny refraction!
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« Reply #2 on: March 15, 2007, 05:58:57 PM »
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How does Eratosthenes' measurements hold up to FE theory.

1.) Eratosthenes' measurements assumed that the sun was far away from the earth. It's not.

2.) Eratosthenes was actually measuring the diameter of the Flat Earth, not the circumference of the Round Earth.

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lease, do not quote or mention Earth: Not A Globe since Geordi la Forge proved its results are observatory speculation and that Rowbotham excluded many variables (e.g. refraction).

Robotham adjusts for refraction in a number of his experiments. He obviously knew what it was. Many Round Earthers post threads about it accusing him of tampering with the results.
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Re: Eratosthenes
« Reply #3 on: March 15, 2007, 06:26:24 PM »
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How does Eratosthenes' measurements hold up to FE theory.

1.) Eratosthenes' measurements assumed that the sun was far away from the earth. It's not.


Tell that to every astronomer in the world.



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« Reply #4 on: March 15, 2007, 06:34:17 PM »
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Tell that to every astronomer in the world.

How could an Astronomer tell how far away from the earth the sun and stars were?

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Re: Eratosthenes
« Reply #5 on: March 15, 2007, 06:36:38 PM »
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Tell that to every astronomer in the world.

How could an Astronomer tell how far away from the earth the sun and stars were?
I'm not an astronomer.  I don't know how they do it.  You are also not an astronomer.  You also cant tell.  They have there ways.  Thats why the can say a star is 1000 light years away.  Go ask them, in fact I will.  I will report back later.
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« Reply #6 on: March 15, 2007, 06:39:37 PM »
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Tell that to every astronomer in the world.

How could an Astronomer tell how far away from the earth the sun and stars were?

Let's use the sun.  You see a solar flare.  According to RE, it takes about 8 minutes for the light to get here.  How long does it take the heat from that flare?

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« Reply #7 on: March 15, 2007, 06:42:42 PM »
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I'm not an astronomer.  I don't know how they do it.  You are also not an astronomer.  You also cant tell.  They have there ways.  Thats why the can say a star is 1000 light years away.  Go ask them, in fact I will.  I will report back later.

Astronomers use redshifting to determine the distance of the stars. But deep down redshifitng is still dependent on the length of an Astronomical Unit. If the Astronomical Unit (the distance between the earth and sun) is wrong then redshfting as a whole is wrong. It all hinges on the distance between the Sun and Earth.

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Let's use the sun.  You see a solar flare.  According to RE, it takes about 8 minutes for the light to get here.  How long does it take the heat from that flare?

How could one tell the difference between light that left the sun eight minutes ago and light that left two seconds ago? Light is light, after all. There is no timestamp on photons.
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« Reply #8 on: March 15, 2007, 06:43:44 PM »
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I'm not an astronomer.  I don't know how they do it.  You are also not an astronomer.  You also cant tell.  They have there ways.  Thats why the can say a star is 1000 light years away.  Go ask them, in fact I will.  I will report back later.

Astronomers use redshifting to determine the distance of the stars. But deep down redshifitng is still dependent on the length of an Astronomical Unit. If the Astronomical Unit is wrong (the distance between the earth and sun) then redshfting as a whole is wrong. It all hinges on the distance between the Sun and Earth.

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Let's use the sun.  You see a solar flare.  According to RE, it takes about 8 minutes for the light to get here.  How long does it take the heat from that flare?

How could you tell the difference between light that left the sun eight minutes ago and one second ago?

You can't, but from seeing when it happens, and measuring how long it takes the heat from a solar flare to reach the earth, you can get an understanding of how far away the sun is.

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« Reply #9 on: March 15, 2007, 06:45:36 PM »
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You can't, but from seeing when it happens, and measuring how long it takes the heat from a solar flare to reach the earth, you can get an understanding of how far away the sun is.

Are you an idiot or something?

1.) Heat does not travel through space.  ::)

2.) The moment you see a solar flare is the moment you will feel its magnetic effects.

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« Reply #10 on: March 15, 2007, 06:47:41 PM »
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You can't, but from seeing when it happens, and measuring how long it takes the heat from a solar flare to reach the earth, you can get an understanding of how far away the sun is.

Are you an idiot or something?

1.) Heat does not travel through space.  ::)

2.) The moment you see a solar flare is the moment you will feel its effects.

So the heat should arrive a lot faster than the light, if the earth were 93 million miles away, 8 minutes before.

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« Reply #11 on: March 15, 2007, 06:49:06 PM »
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So the heat should arrive a lot faster than the light, if the earth were 93 million miles away, 8 minutes before.

The fallacies in that argument are as follows:

1.) Heat does not propagate through space.

2.) Nothing can travel faster than the speed of light.

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Re: Eratosthenes
« Reply #12 on: March 15, 2007, 06:50:25 PM »
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So the heat should arrive a lot faster than the light, if the earth were 93 million miles away, 8 minutes before.

1.) Heat does not propagate through space.

2.) Nothing can travel faster than the speed of light.

There are 3 different types of heat.  Radial heat does cross space. 
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« Reply #13 on: March 15, 2007, 06:53:01 PM »
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There are 3 different types of heat.  Radial heat does cross space.

All radiation travels at the speed of light in a vacuum. Thus, the moment you see a solar flare is the moment you will feel its effects. There is no delay.




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Re: Eratosthenes
« Reply #14 on: March 15, 2007, 06:54:34 PM »
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There are 3 different types of heat.  Radial heat does cross space.

All radiation travels at the speed of light in a vacuum. Thus, the moment you see a solar flare is the moment you will feel its effects. There is no delay.




Unless the sun is 93 million miles away.  Then it takes 8 minutes. 
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« Reply #15 on: March 15, 2007, 07:00:27 PM »
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Unless the sun is 93 million miles away.  Then it takes 8 minutes.

It doesn't matter how far away the sun is. The moment the light reaches you is the moment you will feel its effects. I don't know who you are thinking that it's possible to predict a solar flare before its light reaches you. It's impossible for anything to travel faster than the speed of light, be it heat or radiation.

If you're still persistent maybe you should write a paper on the subject, explaining how you're smarter than Einstein.
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« Reply #16 on: March 15, 2007, 07:10:53 PM »
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Unless the sun is 93 million miles away.  Then it takes 8 minutes.

It doesn't matter how far away the sun is. The moment the light reaches you is the moment you will feel its effects. I don't know who you are thinking that it's possible to predict a solar flare before its light reaches you. It's impossible for anything to travel faster than the speed of light, be it heat or radiation.

If you're still persistent maybe you should write a paper on the subject, explaining how you're smarter than Einstein.

You claimed heat doesn't travel, moron.  If it doesn't travel, and is instantaneous, then light would take longer, ACCORDING TO YOU.

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Re: Eratosthenes
« Reply #17 on: March 15, 2007, 07:11:59 PM »
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Unless the sun is 93 million miles away.  Then it takes 8 minutes.

It doesn't matter how far away the sun is. The moment the light reaches you is the moment you will feel its effects. I don't know who you are thinking that it's possible to predict a solar flare before its light reaches you. It's impossible for anything to travel faster than the speed of light, be it heat or radiation.

If you're still persistent maybe you should write a paper on the subject, explaining how you're smarter than Einstein.

WTF?  Light takes 8 minutes to get to the Earth from the RE sun.  So heat would also take 8 minutes. 
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« Reply #18 on: March 15, 2007, 07:13:06 PM »
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Unless the sun is 93 million miles away.  Then it takes 8 minutes.

It doesn't matter how far away the sun is. The moment the light reaches you is the moment you will feel its effects. I don't know who you are thinking that it's possible to predict a solar flare before its light reaches you. It's impossible for anything to travel faster than the speed of light, be it heat or radiation.

If you're still persistent maybe you should write a paper on the subject, explaining how you're smarter than Einstein.

WTF?  Light takes 8 minutes to get to the Earth from the RE sun.  So heat would also take 8 minutes. 

He's saying you wouldn't know the difference.  Not that it's instant.

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Re: Eratosthenes
« Reply #19 on: March 15, 2007, 07:21:35 PM »
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Unless the sun is 93 million miles away.  Then it takes 8 minutes.

It doesn't matter how far away the sun is. The moment the light reaches you is the moment you will feel its effects. I don't know who you are thinking that it's possible to predict a solar flare before its light reaches you. It's impossible for anything to travel faster than the speed of light, be it heat or radiation.

If you're still persistent maybe you should write a paper on the subject, explaining how you're smarter than Einstein.

WTF?  Light takes 8 minutes to get to the Earth from the RE sun.  So heat would also take 8 minutes. 

He's saying you wouldn't know the difference.  Not that it's instant.
O i see.  I was refering to how a solar flare would start 8 minutes before you saw it.
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« Reply #20 on: March 15, 2007, 09:42:56 PM »
1.) Heat does not travel through space.  ::)

Heat is a form of energy. How can it not propagate through space?
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Re: Eratosthenes
« Reply #21 on: March 15, 2007, 10:04:26 PM »
1.) Heat does not travel through space.  ::)
Yes it does, in the form of infrared waves.
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« Reply #22 on: March 15, 2007, 10:28:54 PM »
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Yes it does, in the form of infrared waves.

Infeared waves are radiation, not heat. It may cause heat, however. Heat is is defined as a form of energy that is transferred by a difference in temperature. Temperature does not propagate through space.

Can you tell me what Sokarul was trying to say on page one? I couldn't make heads or tales of his blabbering.
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« Reply #23 on: March 16, 2007, 11:35:08 AM »
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How does Eratosthenes' measurements hold up to FE theory.

1.) Eratosthenes' measurements assumed that the sun was far away from the earth. It's not.

2.) Eratosthenes was actually measuring the diameter of the Flat Earth, not the circumference of the Round Earth.

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lease, do not quote or mention Earth: Not A Globe since Geordi la Forge proved its results are observatory speculation and that Rowbotham excluded many variables (e.g. refraction).

Robotham adjusts for refraction in a number of his experiments. He obviously knew what it was. Many Round Earthers post threads about it accusing him of tampering with the results.

Where does he state how refraction affects his results.  I don't see it anywhere except regarding the measurement from the sun to Earth but he does not describe to what degree.
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Re: Eratosthenes
« Reply #24 on: March 16, 2007, 11:50:16 AM »
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Yes it does, in the form of infrared waves.

Infeared waves are radiation, not heat. It may cause heat, however. Heat is is defined as a form of energy that is transferred by a difference in temperature. Temperature does not propagate through space.

Can you tell me what Sokarul was trying to say on page one? I couldn't make heads or tales of his blabbering.
I said you are an accountant and don't know shit about science.  Radiation is heat despite what you say.
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« Reply #25 on: March 16, 2007, 11:51:50 AM »
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Yes it does, in the form of infrared waves.

Infeared waves are radiation, not heat. It may cause heat, however. Heat is is defined as a form of energy that is transferred by a difference in temperature. Temperature does not propagate through space.

Can you tell me what Sokarul was trying to say on page one? I couldn't make heads or tales of his blabbering.

Heat is thermal radiation, which can propagate through space.
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« Reply #26 on: February 11, 2009, 02:13:44 PM »
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Tell that to every astronomer in the world.

How could an Astronomer tell how far away from the earth the sun and stars were?

Parallax

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Re: Eratosthenes
« Reply #27 on: February 11, 2009, 02:27:14 PM »
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Tell that to every astronomer in the world.

How could an Astronomer tell how far away from the earth the sun and stars were?

Parallax

Do you mean the method that relies on the shape of the earth and can measure the distance of the sun out to 3,000 miles if we assume that the earth is flat?

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« Reply #28 on: February 11, 2009, 03:06:54 PM »
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Tell that to every astronomer in the world.

How could an Astronomer tell how far away from the earth the sun and stars were?

Parallax

Do you mean the method that relies on the shape of the earth and can measure the distance of the sun out to 3,000 miles if we assume that the earth is flat?


As the saying goes,
"No work, no credit."  Show me your calculations.

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Re: Eratosthenes
« Reply #29 on: February 11, 2009, 04:04:05 PM »
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As the saying goes,
"No work, no credit."  Show me your calculations.

The calculations were made over a hundred years ago in Zetetic Cosmogony by Thomas Winship, a link to which can be found in my signature link. The same calculations are also given in a 70 year old Modern Mechanics article, which can also be found in my signature link.

Please try to keep up.