Religious apparitions

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Religious apparitions
« on: March 13, 2007, 02:32:22 AM »
Yet another in a long series of religious apparitions:
Woman says she sees Jesus in burned wallpaper.
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Re: Religious apparitions
« Reply #1 on: March 13, 2007, 03:00:25 AM »
Clearly bogus.  Indeed statistically you would expect there to be the odd natural shape to have the appearance of a person.  How you can define that person as somebody you've never seen, nor have any account of their appearance, is ludicrous and demonstrates how completely irrational religion can make people.

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Re: Religious apparitions
« Reply #2 on: March 13, 2007, 03:05:09 AM »
looks more like the phantom of the opera to me. :P
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Re: Religious apparitions
« Reply #3 on: March 13, 2007, 03:14:10 AM »
The mind see's what it wants to see.
A vivid imagination, mental instability/agitation, religious fervour all can cause a person to hallucinate: animal shapes in clouds; voices in their heads; secret messages in their cheerios; Jesus in the wallpaper.
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Re: Religious apparitions
« Reply #4 on: March 13, 2007, 03:24:27 AM »
 :(There aren't any clouds outside today.
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Re: Religious apparitions
« Reply #5 on: March 13, 2007, 03:42:21 AM »
:(There aren't any clouds outside today.
Then I think you better pull out the cheerios!
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Re: Religious apparitions
« Reply #6 on: March 13, 2007, 04:12:38 AM »
I think I saw Stone henge in the bottom of my teacup just now. Might have been a hedge with gaps though.
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Re: Religious apparitions
« Reply #7 on: March 13, 2007, 11:05:10 AM »
These kinds of people make me giggle. There've been waffles selling on e-bay because there's some burns that "look like" significant religious figures. Ridiculous. But anyways, yeah, people will indefinitely see whatever they WANT to see, so...I guess there's your proof of that...

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Re: Religious apparitions
« Reply #8 on: March 13, 2007, 02:26:28 PM »
So if I look at my doorway, an apparition of John Depp in full pirate costume will appear? ;D
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Re: Religious apparitions
« Reply #9 on: March 13, 2007, 05:36:49 PM »
The mind see's what it wants to see.
A vivid imagination, mental instability/agitation, religious fervour all can cause a person to hallucinate: animal shapes in clouds; voices in their heads; secret messages in their cheerios; Jesus in the wallpaper.

Clearly those are not hallucinations at all.  The image does look like a person, I think the vast majority of people would agree.  Interpreting something as an image of a particular person is not a hallucination.

Re: Religious apparitions
« Reply #10 on: March 13, 2007, 05:40:27 PM »
I saw the face of Nelson in a cornflake once. I have it framed on my bedroom wall.

Re: Religious apparitions
« Reply #11 on: March 13, 2007, 05:59:05 PM »
The mind see's what it wants to see.
A vivid imagination, mental instability/agitation, religious fervour all can cause a person to hallucinate: animal shapes in clouds; voices in their heads; secret messages in their cheerios; Jesus in the wallpaper.

Clearly those are not hallucinations at all.  The image does look like a person, I think the vast majority of people would agree.  Interpreting something as an image of a particular person is not a hallucination.

Ink Blot tests.
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beast

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Re: Religious apparitions
« Reply #12 on: March 13, 2007, 06:43:32 PM »
Hallucination; a sensory experience of something that does not exist outside the mind, caused by various physical and mental disorders, or by reaction to certain toxic substances, and usually manifested as visual or auditory images.

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?r=2&q=hallucination

An inkblot test asks the subject to interpret the inkblots into images, this is obviously not a hallucination.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inkblot_test

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Re: Religious apparitions
« Reply #13 on: March 13, 2007, 08:01:00 PM »
And all of those inkblots are obviously vaginas...

Ok, ok, I'm sorry.  I just couldn't resist.

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Re: Religious apparitions
« Reply #14 on: March 14, 2007, 12:34:14 AM »
The mind see's what it wants to see.
A vivid imagination, mental instability/agitation, religious fervour all can cause a person to hallucinate: animal shapes in clouds; voices in their heads; secret messages in their cheerios; Jesus in the wallpaper.

Clearly those are not hallucinations at all.  The image does look like a person, I think the vast majority of people would agree.  Interpreting something as an image of a particular person is not a hallucination.
To me it barely looks like a person, but I'll agree that interpreting a vague image is not strictly hallucinating. If I had to say who it looked like to me, it might be Bin Laden in a fur coat.
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Re: Religious apparitions
« Reply #15 on: March 14, 2007, 05:18:41 AM »
I saw the face of Nelson in a cornflake once. I have it framed on my bedroom wall.
cool lol.

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Re: Religious apparitions
« Reply #16 on: March 14, 2007, 02:42:50 PM »
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Re: Religious apparitions
« Reply #17 on: March 14, 2007, 03:06:38 PM »
is that Washington?
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Re: Religious apparitions
« Reply #18 on: March 15, 2007, 12:33:16 AM »

I seen that before! Did you know there is a whole website dedicated to that dog's asshole?
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Re: Religious apparitions
« Reply #19 on: March 15, 2007, 03:03:35 AM »
It is bogus to interpret the image as a specific person but there's actually a reason why we see "jesus" (aka a face) in toast etc. and objects in clouds etc. There is a part of the brain devouted to facial recognition and another part that is devouted to recognising objects (others are also to do with motion, and there's others I just can't remember them). Our brains are hardwired to recognise things, if these parts of the brains don't work properly it can lead to some pretty interesting things happening. It's possible that if parts of the brain are damaged that you can't recognise any body's face (including a photograph of yourself) let alone see faces in things.

Re: Religious apparitions
« Reply #20 on: March 15, 2007, 08:19:36 AM »
It is bogus to interpret the image as a specific person but there's actually a reason why we see "jesus" (aka a face) in toast etc. and objects in clouds etc. There is a part of the brain devouted to facial recognition and another part that is devouted to recognising objects (others are also to do with motion, and there's others I just can't remember them). Our brains are hardwired to recognise things, if these parts of the brains don't work properly it can lead to some pretty interesting things happening. It's possible that if parts of the brain are damaged that you can't recognise any body's face (including a photograph of yourself) let alone see faces in things.

So, you're saying that if that woman never saw Jesus's picture, she wouldn't make the connection?

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Re: Religious apparitions
« Reply #21 on: March 15, 2007, 06:55:01 PM »
I'm saying that the brain is hardwired to see faces (think about how random blotches can appear as a face). I'm saying that if the part of the brain that is hardwired to see faces was damaged she would not only be unable to distinguish people from one another but would also no longer see things like the man on the moon.

Her calling a bunch of blotches that resemble a face "jesus" is completely unfounded. If your brain's working properly you should  be able to see "faces" in things.

Re: Religious apparitions
« Reply #22 on: March 16, 2007, 07:36:15 AM »
I say, if she never saw Jesus, then she wouldn't see Jesus' face in things.  >:(

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Re: Religious apparitions
« Reply #23 on: March 16, 2007, 08:55:08 AM »
How could she have seen Jesus unless she's a fair few centuries old?!  >:( >:( Sheebus!

Re: Religious apparitions
« Reply #24 on: March 16, 2007, 10:48:17 AM »
How could she have seen Jesus unless she's a fair few centuries old?!  >:( >:( Sheebus!

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Re: Religious apparitions
« Reply #25 on: March 16, 2007, 11:10:44 AM »
Ah, so what she's really saying is those blotches look like some art I saw of Jesus.

Let's face, Jesus probably looked different to how most people imagine him.

Re: Religious apparitions
« Reply #26 on: March 17, 2007, 12:56:11 AM »
Ah, so what she's really saying is those blotches look like some art I saw of Jesus.

Let's face, Jesus probably looked different to how most people imagine him.

yeah, but it's not like she's seeing the real face of Jesus, just the image perpetrated by art and the bible.