The tides

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Re: The tides
« Reply #90 on: March 26, 2007, 05:37:13 AM »
You're probably the most intelligent person here RAmenBrother. Keep up the good work in showing their faults.
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« Reply #91 on: March 26, 2007, 05:39:34 AM »
Although can I just say that TheEngineer isn't actually a FEer..

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Re: The tides
« Reply #92 on: March 26, 2007, 05:41:20 AM »
Although can I just say that TheEngineer isn't actually a FEer..

Yeah he just likes to pretend he is. Enjoys debating it I guess
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« Reply #93 on: March 26, 2007, 05:43:39 AM »
Like you pretend to be a girl!! hehehe *runs aweh*

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Re: The tides
« Reply #94 on: March 26, 2007, 05:49:16 AM »
Don't take this thread off topic.
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« Reply #95 on: March 26, 2007, 05:51:22 AM »
It's already dead.

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Re: The tides
« Reply #96 on: March 28, 2007, 09:51:41 AM »
Did you not previously say gravity was a fictitious force?
Yes, I did.  Gravity is not a force, it is a made up 'force' to deal with being in a non inertial frame of reference.

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If gravitation is the acceleration of objects, how is the moon affecting Earth with it?
How does the RE model use gravitation? (what objects?) RE model uses gravity because it is not believed to be fictitious.
The RE model currently used EXPLICITLY states that gravity is not a force.  Gravitation is due to the deformation of space.


Thinking about it, I do agree gravity is not a force in the RE model but I have yet to understand what objects are accelerating to create gravity in a RE. Did I misunderstand something important?  ???
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Re: The tides
« Reply #97 on: March 30, 2007, 12:26:49 PM »
I no longer require a response as my question was answered in another post.
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Re: The tides
« Reply #98 on: March 30, 2007, 03:45:16 PM »
JAJAJAJA this is so funny.... dont you realize????? this guys are just pissing people off, i bet they are laughing their ass off when they see a guy defending the spherical world... but anyway... just for sport, here is a list of why the earth is round:

1.Lunar elcipses: the shadow cast on the moon by the Earth when it gets in the way of the sun is round
2.Where does the sun goes at night? to a hole in a flat earth?
3.If the earth was flat you could see every mountain from the tallest peak
4.The first thing you see whan your entering Monterrey are the mountains, you can actually see them rising. I live there by the way.
5.The only argument FW has is a conspiracy or that eveyone is lying, who gains anything with a conspiracy like that?
6.Satelites

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Re: The tides
« Reply #99 on: March 31, 2007, 09:19:39 AM »
What about the Moon
why is it that the moon can always be seen by someone on earth but you cannot always see it.
If the earth was flat as long as someone could see the moon you should be able to see it therefore the earth is round.

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Re: The tides
« Reply #100 on: March 31, 2007, 09:39:24 AM »
No one ever answered my question, what formula do they use to predict tides in the fe model?
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« Reply #101 on: March 31, 2007, 09:51:27 AM »
No one ever answered my question, what formula do they use to predict tides in the fe model?

We use the following formula for predicting tides in the FE model:

h = Ho + Sum{H cos[at + (Vo+u) - K]}

It provides for the summation of 10 of the principal constituents, and the resulting predicted heights can be registered by a curve with some manual tracing.

h = height of tide at any time t.
Ho = mean height of water level above datum used for prediction.
H = mean amplitude of any constituent A.
= factor for reducing mean amplitude H to year of prediction.
a = speed of constituent A.
t = time reckoned from some initial epoch such as beginning of year of predictions.
(Vo+u) = value of equilibrium argument of constituent A when t = 0.
K = epoch of constituent A.

Each of the principle constituents are defined in the Tide and Current Glossary put out by the NOAA.
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« Reply #102 on: March 31, 2007, 11:20:27 AM »
No one ever answered my question, what formula do they use to predict tides in the fe model?

We use the following formula for predicting tides in the FE model:

h = Ho + Sum{H cos[at + (Vo+u) - K]}

It provides for the summation of 10 of the principal constituents, and the resulting predicted heights can be registered by a curve with some manual tracing.

h = height of tide at any time t.
Ho = mean height of water level above datum used for prediction.
H = mean amplitude of any constituent A.
= factor for reducing mean amplitude H to year of prediction.
a = speed of constituent A.
t = time reckoned from some initial epoch such as beginning of year of predictions.
(Vo+u) = value of equilibrium argument of constituent A when t = 0.
K = epoch of constituent A.

Each of the principle constituents are defined in the Tide and Current Glossary put out by the NOAA.

The link to the NOAA site defines "h" as the height of wave, the height being measured from the undisturbed water level. Not the height of a wave at any given time. This formula also fails to account for gravity as a constant. Can you explain?
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Re: The tides
« Reply #103 on: March 31, 2007, 11:22:30 AM »
By the way, why would you take a formula from a RE source?  ???
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Re: The tides
« Reply #104 on: March 31, 2007, 01:26:15 PM »
I didnt see anything talking about the wobble of the Earth in that link.  I did see the moon though. 
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« Reply #105 on: March 31, 2007, 09:01:24 PM »
first of all, gravitation is the attractive influence that all objects exert on each other. gravity specifically refers to a force which objects are theorized to exert on one other to cause gravitation.

second of all, if the earth was flat, then tides would appear merely as a bulge centralized over one location, rather than two separate bulges on opposite sides of the earth. also, how do FE'rs explain neap tides and spring tides?
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Re: The tides
« Reply #106 on: March 31, 2007, 11:24:38 PM »
Gravity specifically refers to a force that does not exist.


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Re: The tides
« Reply #107 on: April 01, 2007, 08:46:31 AM »
so in FE theory gravitation occurs without the force of gravity?
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Re: The tides
« Reply #108 on: April 01, 2007, 08:47:03 AM »
Yep, like I said before, gravity does not exist.


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« Reply #109 on: April 01, 2007, 09:02:54 AM »
Gravity specifically refers to a force that does not exist.
We call spacetime curvature gravity.  They don't teach it until college. 

But good job Engineer to ignore the acutal questions. 
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« Reply #110 on: April 01, 2007, 06:03:42 PM »
I recall reading a post on this forum where a flat and round moon came up.  I'm pretty sure it said somewhere that observing the round shadow of the moon on Earth disproves the FE theory.  I can't find that thread at the moment, but I'll keep looking.

According to this:


Tom is contradicting himself by saying the moon is a sphere.  In previous posts.

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Re: The tides
« Reply #111 on: April 01, 2007, 06:09:00 PM »




That...made me lol.
My problem with his ideas is that it is a ridiculous thing.

Genius. PURE, undiluted genius.

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« Reply #112 on: April 01, 2007, 09:01:57 PM »
I only got the picture posted by another member of the forum. :)

Now I get to wait for Tom's reply.  Or just end up being completely ignored.  Which is it Tom? Flat or Round moon?
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Re: The tides
« Reply #113 on: April 01, 2007, 09:05:19 PM »
Yep, like I said before, gravity does not exist.
Then how do things fall?

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« Reply #114 on: April 01, 2007, 09:40:09 PM »
Gravity is caused by an objects density, all things are attracting to each other, all object create gravity. It is just a matter of how much...............

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Re: The tides
« Reply #115 on: April 01, 2007, 11:18:00 PM »
Yep, like I said before, gravity does not exist.
Then how do things fall?
They accelerate.


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Re: The tides
« Reply #116 on: April 01, 2007, 11:18:19 PM »
Gravity is caused by an objects density, all things are attracting to each other, all object create gravity. It is just a matter of how much...............
What is the density of light?


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Re: The tides
« Reply #117 on: April 02, 2007, 06:46:48 AM »
Gravity is caused by an objects density, all things are attracting to each other, all object create gravity. It is just a matter of how much...............
What is the density of light?
Zero, next question.
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« Reply #118 on: April 02, 2007, 07:26:19 AM »
Perhaps mass was the true aspect we are looking to compare with gravity.  :P

Objects with mass experience gravity. Light is an odd exception..
http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics/Relativity/SR/light_mass.html
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Re: The tides
« Reply #119 on: April 02, 2007, 08:51:36 AM »
Perhaps mass was the true aspect we are looking to compare with gravity.  :P

Objects with mass experience gravity. Light is an odd exception..
http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics/Relativity/SR/light_mass.html
Light is not an exception.  E=mc^2 so energy is mass. 
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