self fulfilling prophecy???

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self fulfilling prophecy???
« on: March 08, 2007, 08:05:24 AM »
I'm an extremely logical person and don't try to slate me on that because you won't prove anything except your inability to reply with a sensible answer

Now, I'm no scientist but there are many basic things that are very logical if your think about

First of all, the meaning of this post

If you believe that the RE theory is a government conspiracy, doesn't that mean that if genuine proof was presented to you, you would still deny the existence of a spherical earth????
And if a fellow FE actually did an experiment which proved RE,you would slander them for being part of the conspiracy

So no matter what is brought forward, you will belive only FE and deny everything else

Get me wrong, but isn't that what extremist religions do???

only except terrorism isn't the case here, it's paranoia

Now im not gonna sit here slandering because even though i do believe RE, im open minded (as a psychologist, i have to be)

but think of a few things.

In psychology, it's basic knowledge that you should never put trust in theories. Theories are only theories. They're thoughts that "could" explain something but they can very much be wrong

In this forum I have only seen theories to FE. no facts, no proof. However, I've done some of the experiments to prove RE and it settled my opinion in a strong belief to RE.

Now, you'll probably tell me that RE is just a theory but this theory has a huge amount of research behind it that is mathemtically correct and can create very accurate depictions of our universe and predictions of events


The first thing i'd like to bring up is about the atmosphere
well there's many instances of oxygen to help argue against FE
for example, we know tree's and plantlife create oxygen, this can be proved very simply by urself

now it's common fact that high altitudes contain less oxygen for us to survive. u can prove this urself by going to the highest peaks in the world and testing it yourself. or even go really high in an aeroplane and don't close the doors. lol

so we know theres a limit to how much oxygen is in the world
now if it wasn't for plantlife, we wouldn't have oxygen

how does this go against FE??? well oxygen is just a gas and even gases move.
so if the earth is moving constantly upwards, this would mean it would move through the gas or if u think the gas moves at the same speed, it would still disperse like every other gas. some rise, some fall, none just float in the same place perfectly for millions of years
so if the earth has an edge which a flat earth would, then surely the gas would flow out of it and there is not enough plant life in the world to provide oxygen to an entire universe

also, we know that gas disperses, so what keeps it in the world???

it can't be trapped here by an invisible layer because then the oxygen content would be equal in all altitudes, therefore the pull near the earth MUST be stronger than the pull near the atmosphere (for oxygen content to be denser near the low areas of land)  therefore adding logical reasoning to the RE theory with gravity as gravity is stronger near the earth crust than it is towards the atmosphere

gravity is a lot stronger basis for proving how oxygen stays near the earth


secondly

if u believe this earth is flat, then u must believe that other planets are flat. and this is extremely easy to disprove. all u need is a quite pricey telescope. and u can do this urself

if other planets are flat, why do they appear round to us when we look at them???? well, this would have to mean that we was seeing the tops of every planet but that would be physically impossible for every other planet to face us because for it to be consistent, we would have to face them directly too which is impossible at certain times of the day because the movement of planets in the sky. at some point, they'd have to show the side (due to the movements in an arc shape, it would also show they do not follow this "the earth moving upwards" theory because they would be moving up and down


thridly

northern lights??? how would they be manifested??

RE theory and experiments have give us mathemtical and physics related proof to show us common elements on earth can only be here due to a spherical earth

fourth
i read in another post about someone saying that light can bend

this is only true if a physical object is put in the way. light cannot bend through gas as accurately as solids and liquids and would therefore create an effect like heat where waves or ripples would appear so optical illusions would be near impossible in many explanations unless the earth has a rabbit, a hat and a magic wand lol



closing statement

There are a lot of things easily testable. What I have given you are some very easily testable, common knowledge facts mixed with logic.

Now, from what I see in these forums, you guys seem to be quick to condemn people as part of the conspiracy, but I have presented you with some very easy ways to test for yourself. Make your own apparatus if you have to just to make sure it isn't tainted.

The FE logic is hugely flawed and appears to be more of a small religious cult than actual evidence but then again, even other religions have accepted a spherical world view

Many of the posts I've read seem to be nothing but logic thats like it's from 3000 years ago where you try and explain everything from a source that cannot be proven (ie, in old times, many people blamed a lot of things on God which we now know is to do with something more logical)

Re: self fulfilling prophecy???
« Reply #1 on: March 08, 2007, 03:01:48 PM »
Wow, not one response. Good thread :)

Re: self fulfilling prophecy???
« Reply #2 on: March 08, 2007, 04:14:54 PM »
Wow, not one response. Good thread :)

and there wont be a FE response, either.

Re: self fulfilling prophecy???
« Reply #3 on: March 08, 2007, 09:54:26 PM »
Wow, not one response. Good thread :)

and there wont be a FE response, either.

why???

surely if FE believers will be able to disprove me??

In all honesty, im 19 years old british psychology student.. surely these advanced FE theorists can prove a teenager wrong? lol

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Re: self fulfilling prophecy???
« Reply #4 on: March 08, 2007, 09:58:24 PM »
Woah, nice job.
I'm only a senior in high school, now I really want a psychology degree instead of following through with my Physics Degree.
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Re: self fulfilling prophecy???
« Reply #5 on: March 08, 2007, 10:10:16 PM »
Woah, nice job.
I'm only a senior in high school, now I really want a psychology degree instead of following through with my Physics Degree.

well, in my spare time im a computer programmer and website programmer so logic falls into those

FE is extremely flawed when considered outside the box

All i've done is taken some every day things, and use it to prove planetary physics. oxygen, other planets, even allowing ppl to test for themselves.

Do you know what really kicks FE in the ass???? I'm failing in University. so technically I'm not THAT smart lol

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Re: self fulfilling prophecy???
« Reply #6 on: March 08, 2007, 10:14:30 PM »
Woah, nice job.
I'm only a senior in high school, now I really want a psychology degree instead of following through with my Physics Degree.

well, in my spare time im a computer programmer and website programmer so logic falls into those

FE is extremely flawed when considered outside the box

All i've done is taken some every day things, and use it to prove planetary physics. oxygen, other planets, even allowing ppl to test for themselves.

Do you know what really kicks FE in the ass???? I'm failing in University. so technically I'm not THAT smart lol

If you can make it to a University, you are plenty smart.  I'm still trying to find a suitable University that offers a Masters in AstroPhysics that isn't 10 states away.
-.-
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Re: self fulfilling prophecy???
« Reply #7 on: March 08, 2007, 10:18:01 PM »
Woah, nice job.
I'm only a senior in high school, now I really want a psychology degree instead of following through with my Physics Degree.

well, in my spare time im a computer programmer and website programmer so logic falls into those

FE is extremely flawed when considered outside the box

All i've done is taken some every day things, and use it to prove planetary physics. oxygen, other planets, even allowing ppl to test for themselves.

Do you know what really kicks FE in the ass???? I'm failing in University. so technically I'm not THAT smart lol

If you can make it to a University, you are plenty smart.  I'm still trying to find a suitable University that offers a Masters in AstroPhysics that isn't 10 states away.
-.-

lol thanks. im not even working in masters yet

im assuming ur not british because our education is very different

school til 16, then college till 18 (by choice), and then university till 21 to get a degree (also by choice) i have to wait till im 23 before i can think about getting a master's or docterate in psychology lol

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Re: self fulfilling prophecy???
« Reply #8 on: March 08, 2007, 10:22:29 PM »
Woah, nice job.
I'm only a senior in high school, now I really want a psychology degree instead of following through with my Physics Degree.

well, in my spare time im a computer programmer and website programmer so logic falls into those

FE is extremely flawed when considered outside the box

All i've done is taken some every day things, and use it to prove planetary physics. oxygen, other planets, even allowing ppl to test for themselves.

Do you know what really kicks FE in the ass???? I'm failing in University. so technically I'm not THAT smart lol

If you can make it to a University, you are plenty smart.  I'm still trying to find a suitable University that offers a Masters in AstroPhysics that isn't 10 states away.
-.-

lol thanks. im not even working in masters yet

im assuming ur not british because our education is very different

school til 16, then college till 18 (by choice), and then university till 21 to get a degree (also by choice) i have to wait till im 23 before i can think about getting a master's or docterate in psychology lol

Its only slightly different here, we go to school until we are around 18, then we can either go to a college(Defined in America kind of a small University) or go straight to a University(In America, a University is a very large college campus with onsite facilities, making them more of a enclosed city, rather than a learning facility, lol)
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Re: self fulfilling prophecy???
« Reply #9 on: March 08, 2007, 10:26:31 PM »
oo i see

never really got the difference between american colleges and universities till now.

thanx :D

i see none of the FE people have tried to oppose my views for this topic lol

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Re: self fulfilling prophecy???
« Reply #10 on: March 08, 2007, 10:29:37 PM »
Lets just keep this bumped up for now as a sign of errecting our own monument in this forum.
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Re: self fulfilling prophecy???
« Reply #11 on: March 08, 2007, 10:32:21 PM »
has this won a battle for RE???

i've noticed both astronomy101 and Tom Bishop have been online today.

they've both replied in other topics except this one :P

can i smell defeat??? lol

or are they googling their little hearts out to come up with some hair brained theory???

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Re: self fulfilling prophecy???
« Reply #12 on: March 08, 2007, 10:36:39 PM »
has this won a battle for RE???

i've noticed both astronomy101 and Tom Bishop have been online today.

they've both replied in other topics except this one :P

can i smell defeat??? lol

or are they googling their little hearts out to come up with some hair brained theory???

They arn't using google.  They use yahoo.  Because its a conspiracy.
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Re: self fulfilling prophecy???
« Reply #13 on: March 08, 2007, 10:53:18 PM »
has this won a battle for RE???

i've noticed both astronomy101 and Tom Bishop have been online today.

they've both replied in other topics except this one :P

can i smell defeat??? lol

or are they googling their little hearts out to come up with some hair brained theory???

They arn't using google.  They use yahoo.  Because its a conspiracy.

lmfao

i can't wait till some FE ppl try and reply

will be fun :P

especially with their yahoo intellect

but, nothing they read or find is true because FE is the conspiracy lmao. turn their own conspiracy back on them :P

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Re: self fulfilling prophecy???
« Reply #14 on: March 08, 2007, 11:32:22 PM »
This thread is now on my favorites list.  I cannot believe the amounts of win that are in this one thread.
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Re: self fulfilling prophecy???
« Reply #15 on: March 08, 2007, 11:36:52 PM »
This thread is now on my favorites list.  I cannot believe the amounts of win that are in this one thread.

It's just stuff that came to mind as i was reading some of the threads

even though im obviously RE, i couldn't help but read wat some people write

you know that feeling, when you have nothin better to do and you just have to do something to take away the boredom lol

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Re: self fulfilling prophecy???
« Reply #16 on: March 08, 2007, 11:38:40 PM »
This thread is now on my favorites list.  I cannot believe the amounts of win that are in this one thread.

It's just stuff that came to mind as i was reading some of the threads

even though im obviously RE, i couldn't help but read wat some people write

you know that feeling, when you have nothin better to do and you just have to do something to take away the boredom lol

Hey, what is your myspace URL?
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Re: self fulfilling prophecy???
« Reply #17 on: March 08, 2007, 11:40:40 PM »
do something to take away the boredom lol
Perhaps when I am bored, I will answer this abomination of physics.


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Re: self fulfilling prophecy???
« Reply #18 on: March 08, 2007, 11:42:30 PM »
do something to take away the boredom lol
Perhaps when I am bored, I will answer this abomination of physics.

Bitching about something you arn't proving.  Thats really going to make FE more believable.
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Re: self fulfilling prophecy???
« Reply #19 on: March 08, 2007, 11:46:21 PM »
do something to take away the boredom lol
Perhaps when I am bored, I will answer this abomination of physics.

well

you havn't disproved me

you failed

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Re: self fulfilling prophecy???
« Reply #20 on: March 08, 2007, 11:46:37 PM »
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i read in another post about someone saying that light can bend

this is only true if a physical object is put in the way.

That, as an example.


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Re: self fulfilling prophecy???
« Reply #21 on: March 08, 2007, 11:50:50 PM »
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i read in another post about someone saying that light can bend

this is only true if a physical object is put in the way.

That, as an example.

you want example???

well in open space, light rays are straight until an object interferes

this can be anythin in gas, liquid and solid

glass can bend light, liquid can (ie, pencil in water test) and so can gases (ie. heat can distort light rays to produce a wavy effect)

gas is the hardest to create exact bends but is simple to predict patterns

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Re: self fulfilling prophecy???
« Reply #22 on: March 08, 2007, 11:54:14 PM »
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i read in another post about someone saying that light can bend

this is only true if a physical object is put in the way.

That, as an example.

you want example???

No, I didn't want an example, it was an example of your lack of physics knowledge.

Do you consider space as an object?


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Re: self fulfilling prophecy???
« Reply #23 on: March 08, 2007, 11:59:29 PM »
doesn't matter if space is an object

we are inside of it

inside of it gaps of nothin and then a few objects

but ur lack of physics knowledge doesn't see that the light can only bend in certain ways depending on structure of the object

it will either give a larger/smaller view, longer/shorter, wider/shorter or distorted such as rippled etc

it cannot make illusions in the way FE tries to explain. you'd have more use saying "god did it"

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Re: self fulfilling prophecy???
« Reply #24 on: March 09, 2007, 12:00:26 AM »
Light can be bent by space.


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« Reply #25 on: March 09, 2007, 12:03:53 AM »
Light can be bent by space.

only if another object intervenes

otherwise how can light bend in nothingness?

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« Reply #26 on: March 09, 2007, 12:04:21 AM »
Gravitation.


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Re: self fulfilling prophecy???
« Reply #27 on: March 09, 2007, 12:12:22 AM »
In psychology, it's basic knowledge that you should never put trust in theories. Theories are only theories. They're thoughts that "could" explain something but they can very much be wrong

In this forum I have only seen theories to FE. no facts, no proof. However, I've done some of the experiments to prove RE and it settled my opinion in a strong belief to RE.

Now, you'll probably tell me that RE is just a theory but this theory has a huge amount of research behind it that is mathemtically correct and can create very accurate depictions of our universe and predictions of events
Psychology is a joke.  Sorry. 

how does this go against FE??? well oxygen is just a gas and even gases move.
so if the earth is moving constantly upwards, this would mean it would move through the gas or if u think the gas moves at the same speed, it would still disperse like every other gas. some rise, some fall, none just float in the same place perfectly for millions of years
so if the earth has an edge which a flat earth would, then surely the gas would flow out of it and there is not enough plant life in the world to provide oxygen to an entire universe

also, we know that gas disperses, so what keeps it in the world???

it can't be trapped here by an invisible layer because then the oxygen content would be equal in all altitudes, therefore the pull near the earth MUST be stronger than the pull near the atmosphere (for oxygen content to be denser near the low areas of land)  therefore adding logical reasoning to the RE theory with gravity as gravity is stronger near the earth crust than it is towards the atmosphere
The Oxygen molecule is more massive than Nitrogen.  LOGICAL reasoning: more force is needed to accelerate a molecule of O2 than N2, thus concentration of oxygen is greater near the source of acceleration. 

gravity is a lot stronger basis for proving how oxygen stays near the earth
Please prove this.

secondly

if u believe this earth is flat, then u must believe that other planets are flat. and this is extremely easy to disprove. all u need is a quite pricey telescope. and u can do this urself

if other planets are flat, why do they appear round to us when we look at them???? well, this would have to mean that we was seeing the tops of every planet but that would be physically impossible for every other planet to face us because for it to be consistent, we would have to face them directly too which is impossible at certain times of the day because the movement of planets in the sky. at some point, they'd have to show the side (due to the movements in an arc shape, it would also show they do not follow this "the earth moving upwards" theory because they would be moving up and down
You did not read the FAQ in its entirety.  Your conclusion is non sequitur. 

thridly

northern lights??? how would they be manifested??
Through the magnetic field of the Earth.

Re: self fulfilling prophecy???
« Reply #28 on: March 09, 2007, 12:24:17 AM »
psychology on it's own is a joke yes. it's worthless on its own

but not if you head with a profession like I'm doing

only stupid ppl take psychology by itself

it takes as long as a medical degree to get into a profession in psychology (ie counselling psychology, clinical psychology, forensic psychologist, criminologist etc etc)

the gravity and oxygen quote you picked out is a logical conclusion. and theory. as i state, theories arn't always true but it uses evidence of real physics to draw a conclusion on support for RE

i stated it's a stronger basis. not that it was the only one :P

learn context plz

the non sequitor quote you so called is known as an assumption. if you believe one planet to be flat then it is very probable for them all to be that way

and how do you suggest this magnetic field is created?????

RE states the earths core rotation is the reason. what does FE say about it?

ooo and back to the oxygen, yes O2 is heavier but have you forgotten about o3???? the ozone???? that should be heavier yet it's way up there

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Re: self fulfilling prophecy???
« Reply #29 on: March 09, 2007, 12:52:43 AM »
Well, how about that light bending thing?


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