Nuclear Power Exaggerated

Quote from: sokarul

You cannot tell me why I can take water, turn it into two gases, and then make water from those gases.

I could take a shot at it:  heat it and then recool it.
And the beauty of it is that chemists accomplished this for more than twenty-three centuries without bohthering with atomic doctrine.

No do it yourself.  Its called electrolysis.  You make two gases, hydrogen and oxygen.  Each apart cannot make water, but when put together and lit, you make water.  Atoms do exist and no fake paper from some random guy is going to disprove all of physics and chemistry. 

Quote from: sokarul

You cannot tell me why I can take water, turn it into two gases, and then make water from those gases.

I could take a shot at it:  heat it and then recool it.
And the beauty of it is that chemists accomplished this for more than twenty-three centuries without bohthering with atomic doctrine.

Sir, it seems that you do  not understand the fact that, when heated, water boils.
This, in fact, means that it changes it;s state, from liquid to gas.
Changing the state of matter does NOT mean breaking it down into it's constituing elements.
Or, are you implying that water is not made up of hydrogen and oxygen?

Quote from: 17 November on July 27, 2007, 11:41:57 AM

Quote from: sokarul

You cannot tell me why I can take water, turn it into two gases, and then make water from those gases.

I could take a shot at it:  heat it and then recool it.
And the beauty of it is that chemists accomplished this for more than twenty-three centuries without bohthering with atomic doctrine.

Sir, it seems that you do  not understand the fact that, when heated, water boils.
This, in fact, means that it changes it;s state, from liquid to gas.
Changing the state of matter does NOT mean breaking it down into it's constituing elements.
Or, are you implying that water is not made up of hydrogen and oxygen?

LOOK UP ELECTROLYSIS  AND THEN TRY AND MAKE A NON RETARDED POST. 

Sir, maybe you would care to elaborate on this subject?

Sir, maybe you would care to elaborate on this subject?

jeez

ELECTROLYSIS, running electricity through something to break it into parts.  Running electricity through water will separate water into its parts, hydrogen and oxygen.  No boiling involved. 

Maybe if you would have READ my post, then you would have understood what I said.
17 November said something about ONLY heating and re-heating water.
This implies only changing the state of the water, from liquid to gas.
Changing of state does not mean BREAKING DOWN water into it's constituing elements!
Now, YOU tell me what does ELECTROLYSIS have to do with heating/re-heating water.
Please, INDULGE me.

Maybe if you would have READ my post, then you would have understood what I said.
17 November said something about ONLY heating and re-heating water.
This implies only changing the state of the water, from liquid to gas.
Changing of state does not mean BREAKING DOWN water into it's constituing elements!
Now, YOU tell me what does ELECTROLYSIS have to do with heating/re-heating water.
Please, INDULGE me.

Quote from: 17 November on July 27, 2007, 11:41:57 AM

Quote from: sokarul

You cannot tell me why I can take water, turn it into two gases, and then make water from those gases.

I could take a shot at it:  heat it and then recool it.
And the beauty of it is that chemists accomplished this for more than twenty-three centuries without bohthering with atomic doctrine.

He said 2 gases.  This is a fun experiment where you can separate the hydrogen out of water, collect it, and ignite it.  Steam(water vapor) does not ignite like hydrogen.

Get it yet? 

The radiation part.

Radiation fallout?

Major de Seversky stated that although he had heard some rumor of radioactive infected persons, he did not encountre even one such person.  He interviewed many staff and patients at the Hiroshima Hospital in addition to many medical and other workers sent to assist in the aftermath.  Although some of them had also heard this rumor, NONE OF ANY OF THESE PERSONS HAD EVER ENCOUNTERED EVEN SINGLE A PERSON INFECTED WITH RADIOACTIVITY.

As part of the synthetically manufactured atomic hysteria In 1947, twenty-six young men came who worked with these allegedly WMD nuclear weapons came into bodily contact with plutonium.  In 1980, a medical survey was conducted of these twenty-six men who lived with plutonium inside them for 32 years and concluded that they had all lived normal lives and only two of them had died - one was run over by a truck and theother for a similarly irrelevant reason.  (I do not recall the source for this and at this very moment do not have it in front of me, but can easily retrieve it.)

It was published in the Financial Times of London in 1980.

Its called electrolysis.  You make two gases, hydrogen and oxygen.

I am aware of this as when I was qualifying submarines we had to learn how the oxygen generators work.  The hydrogen is expelled into the sea.

Atoms do exist and no fake paper from some random guy is going to disprove all of physics and chemistry.

Actually the theory of modern atomic structure is based upon a random paper by some guy named Lord Rutherford.  And, yes, Rutherford was an idiot like Einstein who tried to disprove all of physics and chemistry.
http://www.rutherford.org.nz/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernest_Rutherford

November 17, are you saying that nuclear bombs don't exist, or just that what happened in Japan was not due to nuclear bombs?

I am saying that nuclear bombs do not exist AND that what happened at Hiroshima was caused by a large conventional bomb and exagerated in the media.

Quote from: sokarul

Its called electrolysis.  You make two gases, hydrogen and oxygen.

I am aware of this as when I was qualifying submarines we had to learn how the oxygen generators work.  The hydrogen is expelled into the sea.

Quote from: sokarul

Atoms do exist and no fake paper from some random guy is going to disprove all of physics and chemistry.

Actually the theory of modern atomic structure is based upon a random paper by some guy named Lord Rutherford.  And, yes, Rutherford was an idiot like Einstein who tried to disprove all of physics and chemistry.
http://www.rutherford.org.nz/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernest_Rutherford

Refining != disproving.  And don't preach to me about people involved in chemistry and physics.       

Quote from: nicolin

November 17, are you saying that nuclear bombs don't exist, or just that what happened in Japan was not due to nuclear bombs?

I am saying that nuclear bombs do not exist AND that what happened at Hiroshima was caused by a large conventional bomb and exagerated in the media.

Keep staring at a tree and saying its not there. 

@sokarul: Sir, I was commenting on what 17 November said about heating and re-heating.
I presumed he was talking about water.
If I was mistaken then, my apologies.
If you presume that I was refering to any of YOUR posts then you think wrong.
In any case, your (I presume)... presumption that I can guess what you're thinking is wrong.

@17 November: another question - can you tell us what is happening in those (supposedly, at leat by your views) "nuclear reactors"?
Better yet: can you tell us what happened at Chernobyl?
More: can you tell us what is the power source for modern-day stealth/attack/tactical submarines? Or, for that matter, the US's impressive aircraft carriers?

@17 November: another question - can you tell us what is happening in those (supposedly, at leat by your views) "nuclear reactors"?
Better yet: can you tell us what happened at Chernobyl?
More: can you tell us what is the power source for modern-day stealth/attack/tactical submarines? Or, for that matter, the US's impressive aircraft carriers?

Of course not.

To the OP:
If you discount the existence of nuclear weapons and the atom, then you discount nuclear power as well. Are you saying that there was never really an incident at Chernobyl, or at Lake Erie, or at Three Mile Island? What about plans to build more nuclear reactors? Where do countries that rely on "nuclear power" actually get their power from? What really goes on inside a reactor?

1. How energy is produced from 'Nuclear' power stations, if nuclear energy does not exist
2. Why photographic film is exposed when placed in a dark room for a day or so, next to a 'radioactive' material such as uranium-238
3. Why people exhibit the symptoms attributed to 'radiation sickness'
4. How data obtained - on chemical compounds - from NMR (nuclear magnetic resonance [both 13C and 1H]) always matches exactly with the data collected by other techniques, even as far as simple mass measurement using a weighing device
5. How a Geiger-Muller tube works, and what causes the readout from such a device if it is not detecting radiation

Also: If nuclear weapons do not exist, what powers half the US? It sure ain't coal power.

See? Four pages and three months later, no appropriate response. 

My bad for not reading the whole topic before posting...

LE: I would have expected an answer somewhere in the region of "meh, the words nuclear and atom aren't mentioned in the Bible, so..."

LLE: Btw, does the Bible explicitly say 1+1=2?

My bad for not reading the whole topic before posting...

Who does? I just remembered my post. 

Gonna go ahead and respond to the counter against  me...

Radiation, the way the shockwaves caused the kind of damage you would expect them to, the timescale of the initial destruction, the fact that the buildings were utterly destroyed in ways fire can't manage...

How are those reasons Mr Obnoxious? There's why it was a nuke.

This is almost in the league of thinking that the Earth is flat

Yep. I bname this league, EXTEMELY STUPID.

WAIT WAIT WAIT>>>>THE EARTH IS FLAT AND THERE IS NO NUCLEAR WEAPONS...SO JAPAN JUST KINDA EXPLODED AND KIODS STARTED GROWING LIKE 8 ARMS....SUCK MY FUCKIN DICK YOU WASTE OF HUMAN..YOUR PARENTS HAD SEX FOR NO FUCKIN REASON...THEY SHOT YOUR FUCKIN IDIOTS OUT..WASTE OF AN ORGASM.

WAIT WAIT WAIT>>>>THE EARTH IS FLAT AND THERE IS NO NUCLEAR WEAPONS...SO JAPAN JUST KINDA EXPLODED AND KIODS STARTED GROWING LIKE 8 ARMS....SUCK MY FUCKIN DICK YOU WASTE OF HUMAN..YOUR PARENTS HAD SEX FOR NO FUCKIN REASON...THEY SHOT YOUR FUCKIN IDIOTS OUT..WASTE OF AN ORGASM.

We have a poetic rebuttle in our midst!

WAIT WAIT WAIT>>>>THE EARTH IS FLAT AND THERE IS NO NUCLEAR WEAPONS...SO JAPAN JUST KINDA EXPLODED AND KIODS STARTED GROWING LIKE 8 ARMS....SUCK MY FUCKIN DICK YOU WASTE OF HUMAN..YOUR PARENTS HAD SEX FOR NO FUCKIN REASON...THEY SHOT YOUR FUCKIN IDIOTS OUT..WASTE OF AN ORGASM.

I bet this idiot also thinks Christopher Columbus discovered that the Earth is round.

Quote from: Masterchief2219 on August 02, 2007, 07:43:18 AM

Quote from: Christ Columbus on August 01, 2007, 08:14:30 PM

WAIT WAIT WAIT>>>>THE EARTH IS FLAT AND THERE IS NO NUCLEAR WEAPONS...SO JAPAN JUST KINDA EXPLODED AND KIODS STARTED GROWING LIKE 8 ARMS....SUCK MY FUCKIN DICK YOU WASTE OF HUMAN..YOUR PARENTS HAD SEX FOR NO FUCKIN REASON...THEY SHOT YOUR FUCKIN IDIOTS OUT..WASTE OF AN ORGASM.

I bet this idiot also thinks Christopher Columbus discovered that the Earth is round.

Grammar aside, the bastard makes more sense than about 80% of you fucking primates. At least his thoughts tie directly into WHAT WAS SAID.

Which is why the earth is flat.

Or I harm him myself.

How fun, I have fans!

On days when you're deliberate act of stupidity doesn't annoy me, you are funny. I call them blue moons.

Narc. Mids, you're like the personification of not being a retard.

I'd actually prefer to feel Jenifer Anniston ('s breasts (from the first season of Friends))

I'd actually prefer to feel Jenifer Anniston ('s breasts (from the first season of Friends))

Was there something wrong with her breasts in the second season? 

Probably not, but everyone was hotter in the early ones. I went right back.

Oh except Lisa Kudrow, who looked stupid.

Quote from: nicolin on July 27, 2007, 05:22:38 PM

Sir, maybe you would care to elaborate on this subject?

jeez

ELECTROLYSIS, running electricity through something to break it into parts.  Running electricity through water will separate water into its parts, hydrogen and oxygen.  No boiling involved. 

I ran electrodes into limes and all I got was some limeade.  But I did manage to gget rid of some rust on my tools by running electrodes through a vinegar bath.

One does not need a nuke when one can just bomb a nuclear reactor found in every nuclear power plant.  This is my theory on Nagasaki/Hiroshima events.